157 WHISTLING PAST THE GRAVEYARD!
The gang has a spirited discussion of Joss Whedon's latest interview. Also discussed: Archive 81, The Human Target, Ozark.Support the show
I'm sorry, did I break your concentration somewhere between science and superstition such sigh to show you strange aeons. Welcome strange aeons radio. That's Eric over there, Alou. That's Vanessa over there. Hello. That makes me Kelly. Hey guys, I got something I want to talk about. As you're listening to this a couple of weeks ago, there was an interview with Josh Wheaton, where he finally broke his silence. Oh, my God gave His side you have your thoughts on this, Vanessa. Oh, I fuckin read it. What do you think? Um, look that. I think it's hilarious because it's supposed to be this moment where it's like, this is his side of the story. And I've never seen a man just hang himself with his own rope. So gloriously. But the problem is if people read it and just assume that whatever he's saying is true. They're all these people on Facebook are like, Yeah, but Galgo dots. English wasn't very good. And so she didn't even understand what he's saying. I was like, so you're just going to assume that because he said this out loud with his mouth. But that's true and right in any way. So I don't love that people are taking him literally. But what I do enjoy is listening to him talk about, oh, well, I was really abused by my family. And I just realized that like, just now just just now, even though I grew up super, super rich, and I love my brother enough that I have hired him multiple times to work with me on projects. And, and this thing was really, really awful. Even though it's like, if you just look at his actions, it makes no sense with what what he's saying. And he sounds so fucking entitled and awful. Anyways, I just I hate him. I hate him so much. So you're saying this did not help your opinion of him? No, it definitely made me like, just hate him a bit more. He's such a lady. He's like, Oh, well, I see myself as puck from Shakespeare. And I'm really just took off. Okay, let me let me play devil's advocate here then. Alright. What? What could he have said to make you change your mind about him? I'm sorry, I fucked up. Would that really have done anything? Don't be there's nothing he can say right now that is going to somehow make everything he's done for over 20 years magically go away. He's a bad person. He shouldn't be in, in power, full positions he shouldn't be producing, he shouldn't be in charge of other people's careers. And he should be a writer. That's what he is. Right? He's a writer. Just go right. You can't hurt people as much when you're writing. I like that you are so passionate about this, because it makes me want to ask these kinds of questions. And I've said this before, Vanessa, I love you, Eric, I love you. I think you're two of the nicest people on the planet. I guarantee Vanessa, there are people who fucking hate you for good reason. And Eric, you as well, right? Because we are. There are people who think I am the nicest person on the planet. And I know at least one person who thinks I'm the devil. Yeah. And they're both right, based on the interactions they had with Oh, for sure. Because we can be the nicest people on the planet and we can be real pricks still. We are all human, when we put another human on a pedestal? Should we be surprised that it turns out they are also just human? Well, that's the that's the question. Because as somebody who dated a sociopath for two years, I'm watching somebody that not all people are good. And not all people should be given the space to quote unquote, be human when they are in human in. They're not empathetic. They're not sympathetic. They're not able to treat people with kindness. They don't have it in them. And I feel like he is that the more I look at it, the more I see it, the more stories I hear. I mean, there is not one incident. It's not one girlfriend that he got really weird with. It's like tons and tons of people across all positions, all levels, all kinds of relationships, that he's been cruel in strange and leery and horrible with. I don't think it's just him being human. I think there's another deeper question here. I I think that that no apology would work from him. And so if I'm just thinking of myself, I'm like, Well, if, if no apology would work, I would not apologize. Yeah, I would just but I would also, I think, take myself out of the picture. I don't see. This is him still being The most human he is his, instead of apologizing, he's making excuses. And he any feel strongly enough about it that he's like, I gotta I gotta put my excuses on public record to instead of just fading away? Well, I assume he needs, he needs some kind of attention and he wants to continue working. So he's got to do something. I think when you fucked up pretty bad and consistently, especially like he has, like you mentioned, you know, there are people that hate me, I'm sure there are plenty that do. My, if I feel I've wronged somebody, I will go to them and talk to them directly. Yeah, if I can, if they'll let me. But they may not. And that's fine. There's nothing to do about that. If he really wanted to make amends and really gave a shit, he would not have recorded anything. He wouldn't even tweet. He'd go if they'd see him. And he'd go to Charisma Carpenter he'd go to, you know, and he'd say, this was horrible. I'm sorry, I understand if you never forgive me, but I wanted to approach you directly and let you know. And then leave. Don't tweet that where you were, don't make a big deal about it, make actual attempts at amends for what you've done? Not. So everybody sees it and goes, Oh, look, he's so much nicer now. Because you actually want to make amends. Sure. I love that. I don't think he has that in him. I agree with with everything there. I also agree with everything I've said, I think that, you know, we had a I had a Facebook rant last two episodes ago, where I was talking about it turns us all into narcissists. If you are now of our age, you have been turned into the biggest narcissist in the world, because that's what we are pumping out right now with social media and stuff like that. So I think that there has to be, there has to be a way to separate I feel. Here's the thing, I don't care really about just wait. And one way or the other. I think he's a good writer. But I am also able to separate the artist from the artist, if that makes sense. The artist and the art that I know, the artists from the artists because we are not in public who you really are. Ah, sir, we are different people as soon as we are around another person. Yeah. And I, you know, I've gotten at least much better about just because I like somebody art. I used to be like, Oh my god, I love this guy. Well, I have 100% of the time been disappointed when I so I just don't do that anymore. But I think that, you know, if we really want to do anything, we got to stop this idea of this interview with him is something that everybody is reading. Nobody should have read it or commented on it or anything. And that could have sent the message to Josh about what we feel should be done with him. He should be sent out to the cornfield and you know, banished, but instead now he's got everybody fighting over the farm. Yeah, it's like, you know what, this, I don't care what you say about me just say something. Yeah, it's just gonna, it will continue the cycle. And and as you say, he's got acolytes and everything. There's gonna be people who hate him, but there's gonna be people who defend them now. And now, I feel like with. With that message being said, he'll, he'll eventually end up working again. Yeah, sure. Probably his sucks, too, because it feels like the installs have come out to rally around around him. And I've just seen a lot of defensive him on production, like online social production film related boards of other people who are working in production. We're like, Yeah, no, I can relate to that. Like, that guy. I totally can see myself in him. And maybe she was mistaken. Maybe they were confused. Maybe somebody misread this thing. And we did give him a voice when we really shouldn't have, but there was no way he was going to say no, there's no way that guy is so like, yes, let me talk at any given moment and tell you that truth. Except for I have to get up and go to the bathroom every time you ask me a hard question, and then come up with an answer and come back. Three times, literally three times in this interview. Oh, wow. Yeah, I will say also, I mean, there's, we are in a world now where the slightest thing is the biggest thing. And you know, I don't know anything about Ray Fischer. Except what I have seen on Justice League, and he is the worst actor in that movie. And if Galaga dough is acting rings around you, you are not a good actor. So, you know, I've seen both versions of it both versions. I thought he was a very bad actor. But if your mindset is, I'm black, and you must be great. Just for not liking me instead of I'm not a very good actor and maybe that's why the director didn't like me you know, we get things twisted sometimes Yeah, I can see from his perspective that that is a really difficult line to see clearly. And my the spot I kind of land on where I think that it was a bit of a vengeful action was in that the story makes way less sense by cutting the parts that they cut. Sure, like recast him or, you know, cut him you imagine him recasting dies, oh, black actor, I know would absolutely kill everything. Now, of course, he's killed everything only, but you'll never know, if he reshot as much as he reshot. At the time nobody knew. Nobody understood when when they were actually in production. I don't know that it would have been as big of a splash if he'd recast Ray at that point. Oh, yeah, it depends, too. I mean, if he recast him with Brad Pitt, yeah, that'd be a problem. But if you recast him with Michael B, Jordan, yeah, a lot of people go you know what, that was a really fun good move. Right can be Jordan, the really good actor? How much of Back to the Future? Did they reshoot you know, when they realize they've made a mistake? Holtz was a terrible choice. You know, I think that he instead, you know, was acting inappropriately on set towards this actor and of other actors and seems like multiple people. And by the way, Galaga dot did not come to the press and say, he was awful to me the whole time. It was much of people in the crew who were telling them this. So it's not like she was like trying to get the spotlight, she really doesn't seem to have wanted it. But like, it's fine. But story wise, it just doesn't make nearly as much sense by cutting the bits that cut. And by shooting and putting in the things he did it just everything felt personal in a weird way. I guess I mean, I am also a this doesn't make me popular. But I am also the mind that if Hollywood is awful, and we are aware that it is awful. In fact, they have been making movies about Hollywood being awful for years since the beginning. Why does everybody want to work? To be famous money way? So this carried on you? You? You didn't know what you're getting into? Don't you? Well, tell me the giant industry that makes billions of dollars that's populated by wonderful people. They don't exist. The Wall Street guessing it might seem off billions of dollars. The bank industry is full of fucking assholes. Our industry is full of fucking assholes. It's just that Hollywood is in your face, they have to show you their people. So you have to see all of them. Everybody talks about them. There's 50 magazines published about them. There's 400, Blogspot. There's not Entertainment Weekly. This is what the CEO of Bank of America does doing this weekend. That's so that's the biggest difference is that whenever you get to a place, you're dealing with hundreds of millions of billions of dollars, you're gonna have a lot of people that are assholes. And you're gonna have a lot of people that let them be assholes because they want to get part of that 100 million. And if you have, if you piss off the CEO of whatever company you work for, you're not going to get promoted. So I mean, it's it's just the Hollywood's in our face. And we see that that's, I guess that's my point is that there's not a lot of people, you know, like, God, I had to take this acting job. When I got out of high school, it wasn't like Kelly, you can be an actor, or you can dig ditches. And I was like, well, like, I know that. Hollywood is awful. So I'm gonna dig ditches as soft I think. Exactly. That's right, like, so. You can't tell somebody who's passionate about acting or filming or directing or writing. And it loves doing it and sees themselves as being a good person and wants to go to Hollywood and say, Well, you really shot yourself in the foot though, because you know, Hollywood sucks and is full of horrible people. You can't tell people that they aren't going to follow their passions just because it's a bad industry. Like I mean, I I was scared of entering you know, the film industry plenty of times, I was given plenty of warning. I still didn't and I've had some shitty experiences some weird fucking crap along the way. But at the same time, I love what I do. I think that she she walked down the street with her dinners, shooters skirt was too short. I'm not saying that at all. I know. I saw that skirt. She she was out. No. But I am saying that. Unfortunately, it is part of the job is you're going to deal with when you get into high stakes, companies, you're going to deal with assholes. The thing that we're starting to discover, because that has been the narrative for a long time. And I think with the Mewtwo thing, what the question came up was, but do we like why do we have to have fun? Do we have to have people be assholes and belittle and bubble like does it have to exist because it doesn't help the films get paid. It doesn't make a better product. It doesn't, you know, treat people better it doesn't get things done. That's been the myth. But that's not the truth. No, no, no. But what what happens is, you don't like it. There's literally 1 million people who want your job will deal with this shit. And that is that's that's the horrible part for Sir Is it is the, the reality? Unfortunately, all I'm saying is, can't we deal with reality on reality's terms? It is the reality. So what? What you see in fighting it? So just, if that's the way it is, so screw it, just let it be that way, or I mean, because that that's not how we change our world. I mean, we could still be living in huts and eating corn, we've made progress, because that's what it's been. So why not just stay the same? I mean, you should, but you're talking about a society changing its technology evolving. We're talking about Hollywood, which I think is a singular kind of industry, it can't be compared to others, because it is nothing like a other. No, you can say that we've, we've made a lot of progress. Have we? I think I don't think we all to a certain extent. I mean, I know for example, right? Like, all those, you they what was the union thing? So but the actual production crews were? Even are there. One that just happened where they were like, okay, cool. So we're, we're working way too many hours, we're not getting a big enough break all these things and, you know, made a really big splash about it and, you know, shared their personal stories of how dangerous sets are becoming. And that has had a giant shift now. So I think there's progress, it might not be all the progress that we want, like, you're still gonna have, you know, producers, making actresses sleep with them, so they can promise them roles. That's exactly what I'm PowerShell is still going to happen. But I think on the actual industry level on the way that things function in a clear manner, I think we can make that better and safer and push for a better world to exist in to work in, I'd rather I mean, I'm not, if not going to get where we get to direct, I get to direct another film again. I'm not going to go well. Directors are just assholes and yell and scream, but they're actors get to performance. So that's what I that's what I need to do. Because that's what Alfred Hitchcock did, or Stanley Kubrick did, like, I don't function that way. Right? So I'm not going to do it just because that seems to be one of the standards of the greats is to attack actors to try to get a performance no matter what. So I think it's worth trying to have a better any place you can have the control to try to make it better. Why not try to make it better? And if there's a producer out there who's got $400 million to spend on movies and he decides you know what, I'm not going to hire any of these pricks good let's see what you met you know you can do that now and not face the wrath of people you're just banker you're not gonna you're afraid to hire somebody that might be scary just because they're the best director around it's like no, I'm gonna hire the second best director around because the best director is a deck I think the last three directors who won Academy Awards were all like new up and coming directors who work not up and coming but little scene directors who are actually fun to work with for good human beings. I agree with what you guys are saying I think that I like the the hope in your voice I think I'm a little more cynical than you i I would even say that the strike and everything we got out of that is Hollywood propaganda. To make us feel like there is progress because up high where it matters I don't think there's any difference from what been going on for the last 100 years but the people who have to work the bottom levels they're going to be given more breaks are going to it's not huge. It doesn't affect the higher level stuff, but affects the day to day stuff and that's what I'm saying like every little thing helps and that's gonna affect way more people than just the actors because there are way more crew members and there are people who are starving in front of the camera yeah, right good talk you know I'm my stomach hurts. Ah ah, I started watching a show I don't think you guys are hip to I mean you know about it but I don't think you I honestly think you've just tried watching it and didn't like it and I don't think you care at all. And I came to it late but man I fucking love it. It is called Ozar actually do like it started watching it and then you know sometimes they just sort of go in the background you forget and watching it and like I think it was earlier this week. Dean is like started watching Ozark. Then we waited, I was like, well should go back. The fourth season just dropped. Well, I hate that they're doing this, the first half of the fourth season has dropped. So they're going to drop the other seven episodes at some other time. But man, I don't know why I love this show so much. Because all it does is ramp up my anxiety I hate. I hate seeing a husband and wife staying together who are actively trying to destroy each other. But they're staying together for the business and they're backstabbing each other, all of this horrible shit. And then you're just like, every episode, they dig themselves deeper into this hole, and they get out of it by digging themselves deeper into a different hole. And it's like, oh, God, nobody can survive this. Right? Everyone has to die at the end of this. Yeah, I have to admit, I started watching Ozark a couple years ago. And I was like, I This is torture. I'm taking myself out and just started watching succession. Same thing could not was like you know what? I don't know why I'm sitting here. This is not worth my emotional energy to watch asshole billionaires. I just, I just don't even if they're all very good actors. I just you know, it's not fun. Yeah, well, that's what I'm watching. Yeah. And Fantastic. Well, I speaking of things that are really fucked have I watched cheer? Season two, or almost all of cheer season two. I have seen the show. Um, it's about cheer leaders in the cheerleading. cheerleading. Yeah. Cheers. And I was like, Well, I mean, yeah, I love that. as well. I mean, look to the left. Yeah, no, no, I'm not the sitcom. So this is the documentary following. season one was following a team that was trying to make it to the, you know, nationals and trying to win the championship. And, and the end did, and it was great. And everyone fell in love with these different people who started the show. And I didn't realize that. Then between season one and season two, one of the main people in who's seen one of the cheerleaders was found out to have been molesting and stalking young, young boys. This is, this is a real real. Yeah. So they then had to because it's season two, they have to address it immediately. So it's in the first couple minutes. And I was like, what, and then this person because you know, this has already happened. They've already filmed all the stuff. He's in tons of footage. Comfortable. Yeah. And then they had to do a whole episode explaining what happened. And like, why it's actually serious and why it's not just a few text messages that went out to young boys, because he was the most beloved person on that show. He was one who was cheering on the sidelines, even when he wasn't like, put into the main pyramid or whatever the fuck was going on. Like, he has so much heart and so much energy. And that was he was the, the real soul of the show. So to then find out that he was doing not just bad things, but really bad things and for a while, and was continuing to try to do those things from like prison. Like via, you know, phones, he was using it. So that's been fun. That's what I have been watching, mate. Yeah, that falls into my whole thing of do not put humans on a pedestal. No, humans are generally awful. Well, it sucks to because you're watching all these people who in season one, we're just kids, right? They're just nobody. They're just kids who are like in this community college or whatever, look, you know, not a good school, but has a great cheer team is trying to be you know, hold on to that one little piece of light before they graduate and then have to figure out what to do with their wives. And it's got a lot of sweetness to it. And then season two, they are all mega famous now. So they're like doing live streams. And they're doing like, yeah, like, just what are those ones where you can pay for somebody to tell you happy birthday? Oh, yeah. Cameo cameo? Yeah, they're doing like cameos while they're getting their nails done. And they're getting all these photoshoots and commercials and being flown around and you're like, oh, no, these human beings are now awful. I guess I missed all this. Are they famous? Is this a big deal? Yeah, the giant hit. They run all the talk shows like Alan had them on they, the guy who ended up is now in jail. He was on the red carpet. For the Oscars. He was sent by Elon to go and like interview people. So it was a big deal. Wow. Yeah. I am out of the loop. Yeah, I haven't seen it. But I remember hearing about it. That talked about formula and two. I don't think I did. I don't know maybe 10 years ago. No, no, we just watched zombie land. Zombie land do is like two years. Yeah. How was I mean, I totally was like, huh, So I'm going to I guess I'm not gonna see this. But Deena is like well, she wanted to watch the first one and then watch the second one. Okay, first one still damn good. Hold up a lot of fun. I'm going to is not great. All right. I think I did talk about this. But it all of this out when I talk about I finished watching archive at one. Oh, okay. I am almost done. Cool. I have not yet started. satisfying. Yeah, I liked it. Second season? I believe so yeah, sure. Looks like it needs one. Oh, yeah. Don't scratch that there will definitely be a second season. I have one weird problem with it. And it's a, I don't know how old the writers are. The use of fuck as just a general adjective or adverb or an up is weird. And the what makes it weird in this is they say it a lot, which is fine. But then then they try to use it as an emphatic statement as well. And your last 12 sentences have included the word when you get to your denouement of attacking them, and you use that word. There's no power anymore. Yeah, it's gone. So it's just like you swearing? Well, because it has power when used well, and has no power when used all the time. I wonder, I'd like to see the script and see if that word was actually in every time they use it. Or if the actor was just, you know, emphasizing something with it. And then they get to the part where it's used and the players like, you know what? You blew your fuckwad Yeah. Really, because it's the two younger especially the the main guy that use it the most without a doubt. By far, and, and then he's talking to another guy, and he's not swearing at all. And his so much more power in the words he's saying, because a problem actors have. And we've run into this onset to where then, especially if they're not allowed to swear so much, or they feel uncomfortable swearing, you give them that word. And it's like, how the fuck are you doing? Can you pull back? Like, I finally get to see there's a weird, normal life and bow. So it's just like, but that's a small quibble. But the movie I mean, the show is really, really good and a lot of fun to watch. Cool. I can't wait to finish it. So you guys know that I was sick for a week there. And I watched a ton of shit. And one of the things I watched I'm going to talk about two films here. Because I always got them confused. And I had not seen either of them. From the 90s you know the movie California with a K with David. Yeah, well, those Pulp Fiction knockoff kind of movie and then I watched true romance with Krishna. Just to take Arquette I didn't. I've always thought these were kind of the same movie, I guess. And they're very different movies. I enjoyed both of them. I thought California was much much darker than I thought it was going to be. And Brad Pitt and Julia Louis were great to company. You know, I've got a love hate relationship with him. Sometimes I love him. Sometimes I don't think he was kind of miscast and this True Romance. I see why Christian Slater. Everybody was loving him. He's really good. And that is such a I love that film. That is such a great movie. He's so He's so weird and relatable, because he's a movie nerd and all that stuff. And he's not very likable. But he's really good. And you can tell you know, it's a Talentino script. I, I loved it. I wanted to kill the composer for his messages, some strange music in there and a very happy, almost Jamaican reggae type stuff, which I think is the worst music in the world. And I was really, like, taken out of the scenes. I'd love to see this movie with a completely new score. It was weird because I had almost the opposite reaction that it's such a unique score. That to me, it's entirely true romance. This music is True Romance is music. And no other film can use it. And I've heard it in other films occasionally. And it's just like, oh, but it is so unique and so weird. I can Yeah, fully understand why it would be annoying. Well, it reminds me of the music doesn't remind me but it reminds me how I felt at that movie. Ravenous, which I love. Yes, I fucking hate the score. Yeah, that one. I was like, What the hell's going on? But yeah, true. I mean, I think Chairman, it's amazing movie. He's one of those things where it's like, well, maybe now that everybody kind of hates Tarantino a little bit. He's getting a little bit of trouble. Maybe you could just write some shit. Let talented directors like Tony Scott directed that one, direct his scripts. So maybe you get that Bob Dylan effect where you write really, really good stuff. Right? He's not a bad director by any means. But he is an over the top director and he's also very much you know, when you're watching a Quentin Tarantino movie for good or bad, sure, yeah. But man, I, I really like, it's hard for me to fault him after once upon a time in Hollywood, which I thought was just brilliant. Oh, speaking of writing, he turned that into a book. And really, yeah, a friend of mine actually gifted me that book, I opened the door. There's a package from Amazon. It's a nice hardcover edition of this. And he was just saying, I really liked this book, and I thought you would. He doesn't listen to the show. So I can say that I read about four pages of it. And I was like, stick to screenplays. Yes. But I'm before with that one, even though I liked that movie a lot. There's the Tarantino moments the for sure. Put the put the feet on the back of my God. We all know you have a foot fence. Everyone loves feet like you did dirty foot. Yeah. I don't know why that bothers me. Look, if you're walking around barefoot, you're gonna have dirty feet. But I want to see a clean foot if I have to see a foot at all. Yes. But yeah, I think that's the best movies done in a very long time. Well, I I've actually cut back a little bit on my my film and TV watching just a tiny bit because it's been two years of this god damn, pandemic. Sorry, mom. I am talking to my mom right there, your mom doesn't care. And so I'm just getting really burnt out on my life and the way that it looks right now. So now once a week, I'm spending a lot of time reading and I just kind of read comics. So yeah, Sunday's are now dedicated aside from showing up on the show occasionally. Also to to reading. It's so I've come across some really cool DC Black Label content, where I've just started raiding the shelves every time I see a new DC Black Label thing. I'm like, I don't even know what this is. We're going to check it out. I know I had texted you guys privately, but I really loved human target. Which is its Newmar. So it shouldn't be my thing. I know. It's very like 60s, color palettes. It's just beautifully is brightly colored noir film, what movie fits that bill? The question is this. Is this a new comic book because it used to be a human target. There was Yeah, I know. This is a new one. It's written by Tom King. So he's taking he's been doing a lot of really good Batman stuff recently. And he's made a bit of a name for himself, but he's done a great job with human target and I'm giving a shit about a lot of people or characters I probably would not normally give a shit about it's really cool story. It's gonna be in the first issues, not a spoiler. He is the human target and he's playing Lex Luthor for a kind of tech talk. Hey, everybody, guess what we're gonna do this month with our thing is amazing. And he gets poisoned and the poison is meant to be for Lex Luthor. Well, I can see Lex Luthor doing a TED talk pretty easily. Right? It's so it's actually really nicely done. And he gets poisoned. And so each issue is just the number of days he has left to live before he dies from this poison. So he's trying to figure out who did it to him. And all along the way. He's like, I think this person did it to me, but I'm going to sleep with her anyway. Because what do I got to lose? Just like, All right, cool. Sounds good. Also, Catwoman is Great Swamp things. Great. There's just a lot of really good content coming out. Nice. Is Swamp Thing, still. Cosmic Swamp Thing? I mean, it's yeah, it's insane. I mean, what do you mean by cosmic? Well, I mean, my Swamp Thing was Len Wein and Bernie Wrightson. And he was a swamp monster. And then it's hard to know, because it's so early. Like it's there's literally been one issue. Okay. Yeah. So I can't say like, it's, it's a future world where humans have really done a number on the environment. And there is a dark Swamp Thing that rises first. It is not our Swamp Thing. You picked my interest to check this out. Yeah. And then we're trying to at the end, figuring out you know, is our Swamp Thing coming or is it just, I mean, this guy's fuckin it's rough. It's grotty to look at what he does so rowdy, rowdy, and grody. Whatever. It's an emphasis on a word you understand it's gross. Alrighty then. Watch the shutter shutter presents films the the medium software yeah yeah it's it's good it's way too long two and a half hour horror film I don't know man but it's a sort of the idea is that there's a there's a process spirit that travels down the lineage of this one family and the transfer process is often bad and that's that's what the movies about it good American No it's Thailand South okay it's pretty good but boy 45 minutes could have been chopped the hell out of this movie really easily oh man and it would have made it a lot better because it's got some really creepy shit but really creepy stuff then. Mm hmm so but it's good it's it's I liked it I liked watching it but man two and a half hours is a long time for horror film. Yeah you don't I don't love a lot of stuff on shutter but I love that shutter exists and that there's just a ton of content on it whether I like it or not. Somebody is gonna like it yeah, they've given us space for so many up and coming horde you know filmmakers this forum Oh, incredible aliases they're really good with Yes. Yeah, I haven't watched it I know nothing about it. But I got a recommendation on shutter for something called clear cut. Which was if I remember correctly, the person said antlers Yeah, clear cut much much better interest. Okay, so he was somehow comparing it to okay antlers Nice. Should we take a little break? Sure. Yeah. When we come back we are talking about Funeral Home graveyard alright we'll be raising or low grade Tigger into the larger head slamming pressure that car kit that place that history great diggers bring it down that house raised the ramp and very nice Josh break diggers got your that champion the Red Hot Wheels Monster Jam breaker bone your best place other trucks each will separate we have returned and Eric this was your subject All right. Well yes yes it was and I messed it up a little bit but that's okay. It's been cleared we now can do funeral homes I was looking at graves and graveyard and realize the movie called The Undertaker doesn't have any that's ridiculous that's hilarious Have you know anyway so I said this is 1988 Undertaker said the spider How many times have you seen it disturbed you. Maniac we can assume we're dealing with a cycle. Probably a drift in that there are traces of semen on the testing tissue I think I'm gonna be sick okay this wacko is following this picture scene by scene. This movie says mo using that police dragon again. You don't need a ride home. I'm sure thank you. Good night dancing Yes, I do. You're breaking my heart. Which you didn't really beyond maniac beyond the first deadly sin. I'm sure you know now. You always I just want you to look so beautiful. Well, look Pam, do yourself a favor. Don't give these guys any weird ideas. They're already crazy enough. No he's back in his final motion picture appearance. Jean thank you for staying late. I hope I haven't spoiled your plans for the evening. From Code Red releasing business has been good. But with these all these vitamins that people have taken this In general his warning about smoking. Joe Spinelli said he should put a tip song was friends will recognize him The Undertaker, you moron. I guess I'll have to jump off some business not familiar with this one. This is a first for me on Rotten Tomatoes. It's not even listed. Oh my god, you couldn't find it if you search for the lead actor, but it's grayed out. If you look for the movie by the movies title didn't show up at all. That's how one of how small you have to be to get great out on Rotten Tomatoes. Here's the question. Does it have a Wikipedia page? I don't remember using one so maybe maybe not. Okay. This is budget with the L knows it is available and to be in prime though. This is directed by Frank Avianca. Sort of I'll get to that later on. This is the only film he directed and I'll explain why also later on. And Steve Fano, Production Manager for Queens 1983 live show. Oh, nice. Writer by William James Kennedy. He wrote ankle bracelet and has a movie in post production right now called louisburgh. But it was more known as an actor for another world and guiding light. The stars Joe spin owl, who, if you are a purveyor of disturbing horror films, you will know from maniac the original maniac, the greasy gross guy who is the namesake of the film. However, he was also in Rocky wanting to Godfather wanting to sorcerer and night shift as he is a very Italian looking guy. So I just did a first watch of Night Shift while I was sick. And I was like, What a delight. How Ron Howard? Yes. How did I miss this when it came out? Michael Keaton taking that one die by just it's a good film. Yes. But his baby had a named Roland godfather and I think in Rocky but he's a lot of background stuff just because he is so. The also stars Rebecca Varone, who was in Colombo, Patrick Ascon, who is in life on Mars. Unfortunately, it's the US remake. We've all seen both versions. Bikini summer one and two. My favorite. And Joel Naugle nog, Les, who is best known for again Guiding Light, do the right thing. And the it's a Mexican horror film, but we are where we are. Oh, yeah. Cannibal spoiler, I think it's a spoiler. So this one is an interesting beginning where the there's a lady on the side of the road with a flat tire. This guy pulls up on a biker and you get the perfect 80s line. Need a man to change your tire? And she's like, Well, no, I just don't have a spare. And he's like, Well, I'll give you a ride into town. So she gets on the back of the motorcycle. And then of course, he drives off into the road woods, where he attempts to attack her but she beats the shit out of him. Awesome. Yeah, it runs away, but then gets in the car of the undertaker. Uncle Roscoe is his name my god. The woman is actually was actually his girlfriend was Joel's girlfriend at the time of the film. So he killed his girlfriend eautiful The film has a very strange thing where it opens up for a little while and that's first person at first person heavy breathing thing that a lot of slashers and stuff did in the 80s to create the mystery of who the killer is. But you know who the killer is. So I'm like, why are you doing this? He I don't know if this is I'm guessing this was an acting mistake. Because if the director called for it, he's kind of gross. The he gets his one of his victims his first victim or second I guess on film. He puts his hands through the screen with a syringe to knock him out and pokes it right in her ear. Oh, man. That's like I don't know if that would work either. But it sure looks disturbing. Then of course he takes her to the his Undertaker place and he's an unfortunate person. The introduction of the leading lady kind of gives you an idea Do for the movies about when she starts teaching a class and the subject of the day? That girl feel Yeah. That's the takeaway informative, which I have not researched to see if this is true, but apparently the US has more reported necrophilia than any other country in the world. Germany would have something reported I think is the key word. They go. And hey, you can tell us 1988 Why cuz everybody's wearing fanny packs in school? Yes, of course. I guess those are back in again. I don't know. Yeah, they're pretty they were pretty cool like two years ago. And then a there's a scene suddenly cuts and it's like satanic rituals going on and like, and the the actor in the scene. Kind of looks like it might be Joel, but you just can't see his face. Like what is going on in this movie, but pulls out. Carrasco is sitting in a theater watching? They go okay, man, this movie is full of creepy sweaty nudes. Not just Joel who is incredibly uncomfortable and creepy in his film, but like the lead detective who actually turned out to be the director when I watch them picking up stuff is like, Did you just get out of a pool or something? I mean, it is wet like air is wet. Like wow. The there's a nephew involved who's running around because he thinks his his his actually uncle Roscoe into this guy. But he's not sure what he's doing. He thinks he caught him maybe doing necrophilia. So he gets his teacher involved, because apparently she knows a lot about it. It's not a great movie, but it is an interesting film. That is a such an interesting late 80s. drange what's going on here? Some really bad violence with some really bad effects and other scenes and that he takes his body and hangs them in body bags on hooks. And the first couple times you see them, they look pretty disturbing. And by the as like I don't know, if they just shot in order, and they just sat there. And by the end, they look really crappy. Oh, your your effects are not aging? Well. This is a very low budget. Oh, yeah. The acting is uneven, shall we say? Joel at times is incredible. Joe at times is incredibly good. And then other times horrible. What is gone on and most of the cast is fine. Except for you know, cops are always seemed really shitty in these movies. This weird theories thrown out by the guy who's running the theater who now thinks that these killings that are being reported in the news or based on the movie they're showing, with absolutely no relation between the movie that's showing and the Kilnsey is doing. But that's the conclusion this guy has come to. So he starts going out trying to find he thinks of course this creepy, sweaty guy is probably a killer, which is a safe bet, considering there's three four people in the theater. We're gonna narrow it down there, buddy. There's a wonderful scene you both would appreciate with some really, really solid eye trauma. Why? Exactly. This is a vinegar syndrome release. You understand why the description of what happens in the movie is vague because the movie is vague. Yeah. There's better amounts of interesting stuff behind it. The the movie when they sourced it, they found an original 35 millimeter print of it. But it wasn't complete. There has been VHS makings of it. And so they went back and pulled from the VHS finally after a few years of trying to find anything else. Wow. And you can tell where the VHS starts. They worked hard to try to recreate it and hey, you guys in the VHS movies. This is what old VHS really looks like. Like half the end like the last 10 minutes at least five minutes of it is this recovered VHS footage and what the hell was the other version? Like how did the other version and and we're done. Further trivia, the tag for this line. He'll love you to death. I don't know why. I kinda like it. It also had an alternate title for a while called Death merchant. The script was written in surprisingly five days. Let's see what else happened. The reason everybody was so sweaty in this film was up until a couple years ago. It was one of the five hottest summers in the history of New York. Oh boy and they did weren't run an air condition because you know sound did let it so I guess when they're in the van those were the lights returning about on our last episode which would get really really hot. That's 110 or 100 and something like that outside and the inside with no AC with hot lights. Okay, I understand why you're sweating so much sir. originally considered to play the role of Roscoe was Richard Lynch. They heavily scarred guy. Yeah, a lot of 80s movies. He's one of those guys who recognize some of you saw. Yeah. But Joe actually lobbied really hard to get this role. He really wanted to play this weird, sick, disturbing guy. The film was never released to theaters, or to video. Oh, this explains it's rotten tomatoes of infamy exactly the only known copy for a long time to know, this was Joe's copy on VHS. And he died within like a year of this film. Oh, so it's it was kind of a last sort of legendary film. There circulate, of course as bootleg and stuff. And Code Red released a DVD of it a while ago, but it was the edited version, which a lot of the stuff missing from it. That was in 2010. And for some reason, they took it and padded it with public domain stuff. So the movies in New York, but it's New York State. And they went and like in the the padded version, the lady comes out of the theater. And Joe kind of follows her and it's then there's a whole bunch of footage of New York square. It's just like, suddenly we're in New York Times Square. We're suddenly in New York, like, kind of like the treacherous like doing. They're never in New York City. But so of course, vinegar syndrome got it right, restored and released on Blu ray. Think there's another version of the film on their disk that might have that added stuff. They spent 64 years looking for the lost footage, and just couldn't find it. But they decided we'll just use the VHS and make it as good looking as we possibly can. Part of what spearheaded it coming out on video and all was in 2003, one of the writers in Fangoria found out about it and wrote an article. So the director, the original director is credited as Franco de Stefano, which is a pseudonym for the following four people screenwriter William James Kennedy, cinematographer Richard E. Book, Brooks and producer Steve Bono and Frank Avianca because they decided we all had a hard time working on this film, so we're just gonna make up our name and we're all be the directors. Did you like it? It's one of those curiosity films where I am always fascinated by the history of film. I like finding interesting, unique segments. Joe's got a certain Kevi cache in in horror films, interested sometimes to see stuff he did. So as a historical watch, I found it really interesting. And I probably will go back and watch some of the extras but I probably won't watch the movie again. But I'm glad I saw it. Oh, very neat. Um, well, I went with a film I haven't seen in a while but have seen ones before. 1990 fours Ed Wood director of Batman Beetlejuice and Edward Scissorhands now takes you to a completely different world. A true story of a Hollywood legend and wood. He made movies like no one else wanted people to get through that door. Perfect. Did you know anything about film production? Well, I like to think so. He had an eye for talent. I met Bela Lugosi. He was dead. This is the most uncomfortable coffin I've ever read. No, he's very much. He had a passion for storytelling. transvestites I need transvestite, you're flashing and they want that. Okay, but they want professionalism. So next on the Nelly without losing naivete, and the kind of a movie is it science? Heartbreaking romance Ray Roberts from outer space. He had a secret he couldn't hide. I like to dress and women's clothing, panties, sweaters pumps, just something I do. You don't like sex with girls? No, I love sex with girls wearing their clothes makes me feel closer to them. Alright, everybody, finish this picture. Touchstone Pictures presents Johnny Depp, Martin Landau, Sarah Jessica Parker, Patricia Arquette and Bill Murray. In the true story. Imagine Like an unforgettable filmmaker, we're making another movie like at the Church of Beverly Hills to put up again. How do you get all your friends to get baptized just so you can and his legacy that will live forever. Looks like he's killing this is the one I'll be remembered in a Tim Burton film, really worst film ever saw. Well, my next one will be better now, I wasn't sure if I, I had for years that this was my favorite Tim Burton movie and had really, really loved it. But it's been so long that I was like, I need to check myself on that. And this is a great opportunity to watch it again. And a fifth 5050 Yeah, really love it, but also can see the flaws that I couldn't see the first time around. Okay. So this has a rotten tomatoes, a 92% from critics, and 88%. From audience so pretty, pretty well regarded. However, the budget was 18 million. And box office was 5.90. No, I didn't know that. really that bad? Yeah, a huge deal when it came out on came out when I was at Suncoast. And there was a lot of interest. Yeah, I think it's just either it was marketed wrong or who knows what happened, but it just died. So it's directed, as I said, by Tim Burton. He's done 40 directing projects, including Pee Wee's Big Adventure Beetlejuice, Batman, Batman Returns Edward Scissorhands, and he's going to be doing the upcoming Beetlejuice two. still happening. Yeah, I don't know. IMDB? Hard to say. Is there a reason it might not have been talking about it for for long years? Yeah. They've been saying, Okay, interesting. I was like, Did somebody die? It's written it's based on a book by Rudolf grey called the nightmare of ecstasy. Rudolph Gray has done like a lot of historical research into Ed Wood. So it was kind of interesting. They're lifting these stories from him. A screenwriter Scott Alexander who's done 18 things including Dylan, my is my name. American Crime Story goosebumps because 1408 men on the moon, etc. Larry, Cara Zeus kurzer skis caribou ski, who's done 17 Things will exact same stuff. I think he must be writing partner with Scott is starring a lot of people. This is a very starring star studded movie cluding Johnny Depp who plays the lead. He's really great in this role. It's probably my favorite role for him. He's really just fresh and energetic and interested really acting his heart out. He's He's so likable in this. He's but he's such a loser. Loser. You know, you're like, Oh, really rooting for this guy. But yeah, his own worst enemy totally, totally at every turn. God I just yeah, I really adored him in this. He's almost unrecognizable to the roles. We know him as today where he's just tired. He's just like, he hates acting now. He's been in 95 things including Pirates of the Caribbean The Curse of Black Pearl, Pirates of the Caribbean The Legend of the video game, Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Man's Chest, Pirates of the Caribbean At World's End Pirates of the Caribbean On Stranger Tides, and most recently 70 episodes of puffins as Johnny puff. I'm starting to think I know why he looks like he hates acting. Yeah, and even the Tim Burton movies he's in now. I mean, he just like Willy Wonka was awful. Just a lot of them. It's like he's just pulling from that same thread. Also Martin Landau as Bela Lugosi. He's been in 170 things he's incredible. He's from North by Northwest crimes Miss demeanors bunch of episodes of things like space 1999 And Mission Impossible. Where he played Roland hand he also is the voice of scorpion and the Spider Man The Animated Series. Sarah Jessica Parker plays Dolores Dolores Fuller the girlfriend she's in 64 things including hocus pocus honeymoon in Vegas la story, but probably best known for her hit TV show. 1980 two's square pegs as Patty and nothing else. Glad you brought that up. Yeah, yeah, well, well, well. You know, Patricia Arquette isn't this as Kathy 66 things including you would probably most would know her phone Nightmare on Elm Street three Dream Warriors, but also true, true romance, and 130 episodes of medium. Jeffrey Jones is Criswell. He's been 70 things including including Ed Rooney in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Vinson to offer you as Orson Welles. It's been 100 112 things including Wilson Fisk and Marvel and the sell Bill Murray as bunny Breckinridge 96 Things I almost don't even want to know you if you don't know who Bill Murray is. But just for the sake of it, Ghostbusters screws, Groundhog's Day Lost in Translation everything by Wes Anderson, and his favorite rules of roll of all time, Garfield, and super popular internet star. Oh, so Lisa Marie as vampire Vampira. Sorry, she's been in 19 things she's most notable for being a model for Calvin Klein. She was actually engaged to Tim Burton for a while and she is actually the inspiration for the character of Sally in Nightmare Before Christmas. George the animal Steele is Tory Johnson. He's a popular popular popular WWE and WWF wrestler. And last but not least, and there are more people but I am already tired. Juliet Landau as Loretta King, she's been in 59 things but we would know her as Drusilla from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The story of this really it's just a kind of series of vignettes i i would say it's kind of the coming of a thing coming coming of age for Edward movie coming into his own kind of figuring out who he is and how he got worried he is but I wouldn't say has like a real arc to it. That being said, it's it's a really fun series of scenes that go back to back. It's black and white set in 1952 or begins at is a theater director living with his girlfriend Sarah Jessica Parker at wants to break into cinema but is rejected at every turn. By chance he happens to walk past a funeral home where he sees the great Bela Lugosi trying on caskets. He follows him out of this store and offers him a ride home when he sees Bella is going to take the bus and they become fast friends. He finally gets a shot at making a film with I changed my sex. And he begins a kind of difficult relationship with Bela Lugosi, where Bella is desperate for money, and he keeps trying to give him roles. But the roles are very strange and like torturous and bizarre and not necessarily well fitting, but he loves him so much. And Bella loves him so much. He takes the film and he turns it into Glenn and Glenda where Ed himself plays the role of the main character as well as the director. And it gives him a chance to finally explore his love of wearing women's underwear and clothing in general. When the film is a huge bust, he convinces a butcher to give him money to make bride of the atom later recalled the bride of the monster, where they beg, borrow and steal to get the film made. And including stealing a giant octopus, which leads to one of the best scenes in the movie, where Bela Lugosi, they're just just making these really low budget, really low budget movies, and they've stolen this octopus but they forgot to grab the octopus motor. So the octopus is not going to be able to fling itself and move in any way shape or form. And it's the middle of the night. They've basically filled the critic like a little pond of water and they're like alright, Bella, get in there and wrestle with octopus is this old, old man. And he's like, starts just tirade about how he turned on Frankenstein because he thought it would be too humiliating. And here he is about to walk into this pond. And then he gets in there. And like they're like, all right now just fling it around, fling the arms around you like you're struggling with it. I mean, he gives it his all like the the the way that Bella is played, he never holds back. He always gives 1,000% And it's just an incredible performance. At the wrap party for this, his girlfriend who's humiliated and enraged by His cross dressing when she sees him do a striptease for the cast and crew breaks up with him. And to make matters worse, Bela Lugosi, who's been struggling with morphine and meth, essentially tries to commit suicide. So it has to try and get him clean. which point he meets Patricia Arquette, who is super supportive new girlfriend, Bella is ejected from the hospital where he's recovering from he doesn't really have any money slash not enough money slash any insurance whatsoever to pay for his day and to properly detox. So the again yeah, the Edward character in this. He goes up to me and goes, Hey, bud, ya know, you're healthy. It's fine. The doctor said, You can go now, and we all know that he's like, not okay. And, and Bella goes, he's like, um, are you sure? I don't feel so good. He's like, No, man. You're great. You got this. Let's go. Let's get you home. He's like, okay, and it's just always every single turn keeping everything very, very positive. Unfortunately, he really has left this hospital too soon. And he dies shortly after this, and has filmed one short scene with him sniffing a rose and he wants to use it in another picture. And he gets the opportunity yet again, when his landlord is ready to check him out. He mentioned he's in the movie business and his landlord mentions that his Baptist Church wants to make a series of films about the life of Christ. But currently, they can only really afford one. Ed convinces him to let him make a B movie with that money so that they can make 10 times over back in profits, and then he'll be able to make the whole series. So we then get a series of scenes where he has to get his whole cast baptized with the Baptist. So we cut smash cut into a shot of them all in this pew wearing these like white robes. And it's you know, Bill Murray, who's the sort of effeminate gay character and you got the pirates there for reasons and everybody's just stood there, you know, clearly do not belong director who's been cross dressing this whole time. So, so good, so good. The Baptist however, begin to really make trouble on set and say that the film, which is grave robbers from outer space, it's really not cool to have these grave robbers because it's very sacrosanct. And he's like, you know, the name of the film you've known this whole time. He storms out in anger, and needs Orson Welles. And he gets a little. So good little pep talk from Vince and off Rio, and then returns, takes back his movie, and finishes it. Everything's great, everything's awesome. And then we freeze frame to the titles where it explains what's happened to everybody and immediately says that, basically, his entire career just got worse and worse and worse, he became an alcoholic and died in his 50s. And you're in it's just a smiling picture. of Edward, you're like, Oh, God, I like it a lot. It's black and white. It feels weirdly kind of like early Lynch. It just has this real edginess to it. But it's got great art design. You can see the Tim Burton passion for art and here that you at least used to exist. There's really great lions all the way through. It's got a lot of fun, interesting energy. Things like they go through a spook house, fairground ride, and it just looks like somebody's recreated the idea of a carnival and the spooky ride. And with so much care and the skeletons that pop out, it's really great at the Hollywood Hills metal sign, you can tell it's been like, you know, hammered in together and it looks really rough. Everything just feels very textured in a very satisfying way. And the time that it comes out to it just feels like the 50s they really nailed it. The movie and overall has a lot of heart. As constant optimism is a joy to watch. It's just wildly fun with the various characters who are really juxtaposed against each other so nicely. The transitions from scenes to scene is really good. For example, Loretta Cain takes over the role of what his girlfriend was gonna play in one of the the second movie that he's gonna make, and then we cut to his girlfriend throwing glasses at him, like in plates and stuff in their apartment. And then the scene ends with her throwing a frying pan at his head. And then we cut to him walking through set holding a ice pack to his head and walking around. And it just everything flows really, really well. Someone clearly cared about the story. And and this is like their dream film. Somebody loved the idea of doing this wanted to do it and got the opportunity to do it. A little bit of trivia director Tim Burton says this is his favorite of his movies yet again. I would say he was he should he said I totally agree. phenomenally well made film and a little like you mentioned he kind of went became Tim Burton. Yeah, as it went on as it so all my stuff has to look really wild and weird. Even when it's not right. And this movie he held that back so well. He did the only time in fact that that spook ride is the only time that I'm like oh the big black swirl and that like you can see a little moment some timber and but the whole film is not. Yeah, they're not pushing that aesthetic just for the sake of it. Like in Willy Wonka later where it just feels so forced and awful. Tim Burton said that he was drawn to the story because of the similarities between Edward de wood Jr's relationship with Bela Lugosi and his own relationship with Vincent Price. Layton that actor's life. One day Cathy wood Edward de Wood Jr. His wife visited the set and asked to meet Johnny Depp that that day they were filming a scene in which Would would look extremely messed up, which made Burton very nervous for what Kathy would think of the movie and when Depp exited his trailer, she said that's my Eddie. Really lovely and unhappy with Vincent not offer his verbal impersonation of Orson Welles, Tim Burton had his voice dubbed by Maurice Lamar Shea aka the brain from pinky in the brain. He also did the voice of Orson Welles in The Simpsons. It is really weird, like that whole bit. There is so clear that Vincent offer it has been dubbed, it's surreal and it is like is that pinky? I was like, There's no way that's there's no way maybe even since just doing a thing. Nope. Pinky in the brain. At the time, Johnny Depp was really depressed about films and filmmaking. By accepting this part, it gave him a quote unquote chance to stretch out and have some fun. And working with Martin Landau Landau, quote, rejuvenated my love for acting, he accepted the role within 10 minutes of being offered the part. He said that this his characterization of Edward D Wood Jr. was a mixture of blind optimism Ronald Reagan and the enthusiasm of the tin man from Wizard of Oz. George the animal Steele was given heavy shoes with extra weights to help him recreate tore Johnson's lumbering walk. And in order to imitate Bela Lugosi, his voice and mannerisms Martin Landau watched approximately 35 Lugosi movies and purchased Hungarian language tapes. With the tapes he would literally practice the language and see where the tongue would go. When Hungarian born director Peter medic saw the film he called Landau and praised him. Medics said that Lando, his accent sounded spot on because you are not an actor trying to do a Hungarian accent you are a character trying not to do one. And the film was originally developed with Columbia Pictures however, studio boss Martin Canton objected to making the film in black and white. Tim Burton walked off the project shopping around various other studios such as 20th Century Fox, Paramount universal Warner Brothers, until Walt Disney Company picked it up under the Touchstone Pictures banner while again, granting Burton creative control. That's my remind me Lando got the Academy Award. Yes, yeah. deserved but weird that that didn't give it a push in the box office. Maybe because it was already out in the box office CAD coming on, there was weird. I remember when at Suncoast when it came out, there's a very weird marketing problem we received like, not normally get 20, whatever, have a mid level movie like that. And three showed up. Wow, okay, when it's a street date, and then like, the next day, I get a call from my district manager. He's gone. Do not put those out under any circumstances has been a problem with the rights. We need to mail them all back. If any of them get put out. Suncoast is going to be in huge trouble and you'll probably be fired or at least reprimanded. Whoa, it'll sit there back there. Look at it. God dammit. I know. They know I have three. But I could find, but yeah, so there was some. And that could have been Oscar related. Because I don't remember it being an Oscar buzz kind of movie. Maybe they say well, we're gonna try to put it back in theaters. So we can't go out. I don't know. rites are so different now than they were then. Yeah. Okay. Well, as we know, cemeteries was the the topic and I first was like, we didn't have a lot of time to prepare for this episode. And I was going to do house by the cemetery, which I tried to watch again. And I was like, God, damn, this movie is slow. Yeah. Then I thought I do my usual bullshit. And I was like, oh, there is a movie called pet graveyard which is not an asylum pictures released but it might as well be. And it looked like it was trained to play off the pet cemetery thing and I watched about 10 minutes of that and is British first of all, oh, but it also was not a rip off of Pet Cemetery. It was more like a rip off of the final destination movies. Oh, I can't there's no cemetery in this thing. That's weird. Then I thought I will just do Pet Cemetery to ah, and God as much as I want like that movie. I just can't. It's got people I love in it and it just so bad. So that brings me to my choice from 2005 then got a hold on good? Was there a suitcase? Yeah, there was we pulled it out. It was empty though. It doesn't make any sense but something really really weird is what was in that so KCC orders status evil countless souls inside this case Rachel tell me that wasn't. lt can't receive Wow, good. Call every one of your low budget. Nobody knows pigs. Yes. Not the venom from 2018 and 2021. Yeah. Okay. I could find no budget information on this. But it looks like you know, it's not a cheap looking film, but it's also got some cheap looking scenes in it. So this is a dimension film. So 2005 dimension, you know, it's got a cast of very attractive young people. Probably a poster that has all of their faces on it and shit like that. Must have been hell to research. Google van. See what happened? Yeah, yeah. box office have only $882,000 So this was a big big flop. Rotten Tomatoes. The critics have an 11% The audience has it at 21%. Oh, twice is like, Yeah, feels about right. Both of those feel about right to me. Directed by Jim Gillespie. Who directed I Know What You Did Last Summer. And I see you EY e ICU, this Stallone movie. Got a really want to like that one too, because he's hunting a serial killer. Yeah, good. Jim also did a couple of posthumous Queen videos. So after Freddie had passed, Queen put out a album called maiden heaven that had a bunch of his his vocals on it, that they wrote songs around and this guy directed those music videos written by Flint deal written by three people actually Flint dill, who has a bunch of TV cartoons, video games, scripts, but he also wrote an American tale five oh goes west. Oh my god. There you go. And then his co writer in this was John xuer platen who was just on a ton of video game scripts. off air we were talking about video game scripts and how fucking awful they're awful they are to Ray right? Yes. And then also written by Brandon Boyce, who was the writer of the Stephen King adaptation apt pupil and Wicker Park. Do you remember what Yeah, so he wrote that book starring Agnes Brooker. It's okay, if you are a beautiful blonde who got saddled with the name Agnes to go ahead and change your name when you become an actor. I just don't think the name Agnes helps you when you're trying out for parts. I guess it stands out against the mix of others, but they're like Oh, well. Next up we have Agnes Brucker it's like ah, Do you guys realize we're making a teen horror film? She's gonna play the grandmother in this. She's playing the lead. She's been in the returned the series Once Upon a Time 24 and the Bold and the Beautiful. Of which I bet you played one of the beautiful, not the wolves. Right. The Brave and the Bold and the Beautiful. Jonathan Jackson, who was Kyle Reese in The Terminator TV series, remember that? Oh yeah, and 370 episodes of General Hospital and 124 episodes of Nashville. Wow bu Phillips was in hostile to the it's alive remake and the series Raising Hope. And Rick Kramer who plays race Sawyer. He was in GI Jane live for your diehard Resident Evil extinction. Race Sawyer, we're going to find out is our Jason Vorhees, Michael Myers, Freddy Krueger. So they wanted to make a franchise killer, literally. So this starts off right in a creepy old cemetery where an old woman is digging up an old suitcase out of the ground and then she drives off throw a suitcase in the back of her car drives off. Meanwhile, we are introduced to our cast of young attractive Warner Brothers actors in a dimension horror film. And they're all hanging out at the local burger joint This is a very small town this is a New Orleans town and the cemetery is very New Orleans creepy looking cemetery it's not it's not these the big cemetery New Orleans but it's got all the cool hanging branches and moss hanging off of it. So it's like a it's like a voodoo cemetery or something. There's some drama at this burger joint with our main guy who who is there with his friends and his girlfriend, who they've just recently broke up. And then there's very creepy but apparently nice dude shows up to add a little more tension between them. This is Ray Sawyer. He's creepy looking, but he is supposedly a very nice guy. Our heroes are Eden and Eric. You tell me as a fellow writer, Vanessa, would you in the in the age of Final Draft which this was written in? Would you ever name your characters with the same alphabet starting letter? God no. Fuck no problems. Why would you do that to yourself The thing is, I would also not even give them the same hair color like to like girls that have blonde hair and a movie are always confusing to boys with brown. Sorry, you got to differentiate if you're not a writer and you don't use Final Draft it auto fills everything for you once you get your characters in there that's why you don't name your characters with the same letter. Oh, sir. It's It's just annoying as fuck. So anyway, he didn't and Eric after work, Eden and Eric are walking home arguing because he's like, Why'd you break up with me and she's like, I'm going to school and all this ship and then Ray drives up in his cool old creepy truck and ask if everything's all right. And when he sure he begins to leave when the old woman from the graveyard scene passes by now it's very foggy and everything and she comes upon them very quickly and she has to swerve just misses them, and crashes her car and it's hanging off of this bridge. So Ray jumps in to the car to save her. But she is begging him to get the suitcase get let the suitcase fall into the river and all that and he gets her out of the car. But as he reaches for it, the car falls off the bridge and into the water and starts sinking. He he's inside the car now trying to get himself out the suitcase pops open. And outcome, several snakes 13 As it turns out, and they start attacking him and biting him. Oh, fun. When the ambulance arrives, they're able to fish out the car and Ray is dead and so is the old lady. So later that night, the coroner is examining Ray's body and he's noting all the snake bites when suddenly Ray gets right back up and kills the coroner. He is clearly not the person he was before this all happened. So he then goes and retrieves his truck. And so the movie is on. There's lots of scenes of these kids getting killed in various ways that really make no sense but are kind of fun. In in res autoshop, one of the girls is she's gone investigating and he comes in and she's she's like, oh shit, this is not what I thought. And plus everybody knows Ray's dead so when he shows up there, understandably so she hides under a car that's there. Well, he lowers it's on one of those big pneumatic Jacks he lowers the car on her so that she's trapped. But then he he sandblast sir to death Ah, so now I've painted and auto shops and I sandblasted my engine and shit like that. So I get it but does anyone who's never sandblasted know what a sandblaster can do. I mean, it's hooked by a hose and it has kind of like a pistol and and you point it and it can like strip the paint right laid off down to a bare metal very quickly. But they don't show anything like that happening. He points the hose at the camera. And then you see the San shootout are usually little glass beads, but and then you just hear her scream. And it's kind of like a I get it. Does anybody who's never used one of these get with this? I would have assumed it was just like an air thing. And not Yeah, it was a bad choice. Yeah, you know, if you're gonna do something like that, that seems like showcase potential effect, like strip off the skin down to the bone. That'd be great. Yeah, no, this movie, like I said, has some cheap looking scenes in it. So this feels like a scene that maybe the effects are missing. And they, you know, anyway, there's some bullshit storyline going on where Eric is pissed at his dad for not loving, not loving him enough. And I have to say, this is some fucking amateur creative writing class bullshit. This is not how you write a character. It's like the boy. It seems almost like they turned in a script. And it was 79 pages. And the studio said, Hey, we need to bump this up to 101 pages. And the guy was like, no problem. No problem. I'll tell you some issues. I cared. But also, by the way, we need 20 more pages, but we're not changing the budget one bit. And so he's like, Well, okay, it's all character development. Yes. Anyway, with a little investigating, because one of their friends this is you know, a group of friends having to deal with this. She is the granddaughter of the woman at the beginning, we discover that her grandmother was a Creole witch, and the suitcase held the souls of 13 evil men that her grandmother had been trying to purify. Ah, here's why I get angry. Because Ray is possessed by this the 13 evil souls now that we're in this snake, which is a really cool fucking concept. Yeah, that deserves a much, much better film than this. I kind of want to, like write it and just send it to the right. Be like this is this is you had a great idea, but this is what you should have done. Anyway, there's a ridiculous scene where the kids take one of their one of their dead friends recently killed by Ray and tried to use his body as a voodoo doll to stop Ray. And there's a lot of fun voodoo bullshit that is probably very offensive to somebody but but not me, because I don't care about shit like that. And we have a pretty cool climax at the cemetery again, and Eden is finally able to kill Ray by hitting him so hard with his own truck that he literally explodes. It's kind of fun. She She smashes him up against the the big tomb and his arms and legs are all severed and go flying. And I was like, okay, I can dig and achieving, you know, gets out of the truck and she staggers off, and we see his dead torso pinned up against the truck and everything. And a couple of the snakes emerge from it. Like oh, looking for a new host. Stupid and yet still a better movie than that. And what Tom Hardy and a little bit of trivia on this. The filmmakers hoped this would be the first film in a long running franchise. They intended to make race Sawyer the next iconic horror villain like Jason Vorhees. When the film bombed, plans for future sequels were scrapped. Shocking. That's how it works, you guys. The movie is based on a story for a video game that they had in development. And so this movie video game all of this tie in was supposed to launch at the same time and that's why the writers of this script have so much video game Oh, big league transmedia project. Let's see in the video game and some versions of this script. Ray Sawyer was nicknamed Mr. jangles because of his keys. When you hear them jangling you know he's near so like the static in foment hoggy city? Yes Silent Hill. It is the last film produced by Dimension Films that was released by Disney before the label was sold to the Weinstein Company. And then finally, the final concentration between Eden and ray with the truck was done in reshoots after test audiences found the original ending unsatisfactory. The film originally ended with Eden exiting the mausoleum, leaving Ray sealed in the crypt with the intent being to leave it open for future sequels. The audience said I don't know what the audience really said. But I'm guessing the cards came back did not like this movie very much. And the producers were like it has to be the ending. Yeah, that's that's the only thing we can change. So, that was my movie. I gotta say, not good but entertaining a good way to spend an you know, 90 minutes. It sounds pretty fun. Actually, it sounds very up my alley of like bad teen horror. Yeah, it is very much that kind of thing where, you know, I Know What You Did Last Summer all of those kind of movies where dimension was just like, let's throw a cast of very attractive young people out and a monster and see what happens. But it feels like they ran out of money halfway through. And and then the studio was going through whatever problems it was going through. And so it got a very limited release. And then well, I don't know if it got it limited release, because they they say in there about it bombing with that. $883,000 that budget. I mean, it's got to be I don't know, I'd say a $10 million movie 2005 Yeah, I would think so. Anyway, cemeteries you guys. Wow. Cemeteries? Yeah, sure. Yo. That means Oh, Vanessa. It is your pick for the next film. Bring it? Oh, yeah. So we have discussed this ahead. And it's a little unfortunate Kelly, because my pick is going to be Southern Gothic slash southern horror shit. Yeah. So I didn't realize that yours was that. And so I already came up with my idea. Guess what, though? There's a ton of Southern Gothic. And there are incredible ones out there. So I I'm really excited to explore this territory. Yeah, I like this idea. 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