170 MARVEL-LESS!

170 MARVEL-LESS!

The gang discusses Film Festival etiquette and gives a very personal example of what you shouldn't do if your film gets rejected. Then they get into their picks for pre-MCU Marvel movies! Also discussed: Everything Everywhere All at Once, Studio 666, Halo.

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sorry did I break your concentration somewhere between science and superstition sites to show you strange aeons. Welcome to strange aeons radio. That's Eric over there. Hey, hello. That's Vanessa over there. Hey, I am Kelly. Hey, Eric. Yeah, you, Vanessa and I this week, a really interesting response from a filmmaker who didn't get his film shown at the or didn't get picked for the crypto sphere. What a stand up guy. It's beautiful. And I wanted you to just, I wanted you to print it. I wanted to actually screenshot it and just post it. And you were like, no, no, no, no, no, we can't. We can't attack this guy and everything. But there's, there's certain things you should and shouldn't do. Why don't we talk a little bit about film festival etiquette if you if you get a rejection notice, what Shouldn't you say? And I'm asking you, I will read from that letter. Okay, shall I I'll just dive right in. Then I'm going to, I'm going to start this with a little note. I'm not going to name the this guy. And I'm not going to name his movie. But I promise you if what he says happens to this film, I will, however long it takes if it's six months, a year, whatever, when this film hits that level. I will come on this show and I will apologize to him. I'll name him I'll tell I tell you all I'm a goddamn idiot and know nothing about film. Because if this film becomes a huge hit, I obviously know nothing. Now, this is a film that was submitted to the cryptic on Film Festival and it was rejected. Yes. All right. I just got your email about me. Not making your film festival and I have one response. Colon. It's fucking horseshit. I was gonna go bring an entire crowd of people to your festival but no, I guarantee you you will show some completely shitty films there where the filmmakers won't even show up hardly to see their own film but they get shown because why they know someone that works at your festival that has it period, which is utter bullshit. Blank would destroy almost every film at your festival and I don't happen to know anyone that works your festival so I doubt you even fucking Washington, which I did. Never forget this email as when man here's here's the thing. If this happens, I will come back and apologize profusely is the biggest fucking horror film in America this year. Just remember you pass it over for some shitty ass film, because he's a buddy of yours. Great fucking decision. Good luck with that. So fuck you fuck your dumbass festival. And you fucking regret the day you pass over? Man, I can guarantee all caps you that? So let me ask you a question. Of the films that were chosen for the film festival? How many of them were made by filmmakers? You know? There's the Northwest series we do were present local Northwest filmmakers. And that's been going on for about six years. So there's some that I know through that, but I blind pick the movies. Okay, let me go through our process. Here. We've got a variety of filmmakers, film reviewers, anywhere every movie gets viewed by at least two times. And I watch every one of them. And then somebody else will watch every one of them. And usually we have on average, we have three to four reviews of almost every movie. And then we go through and I take all of the films I take the eight by eight, one to 10 rating. And I put that on a spreadsheet. It's just the the film festival number, the film festival title and its rating. I don't see the filmmakers names. I don't see where they're from. And I find all those highest rated ones. I pick those out, I put them down sometimes I have to go back and maybe adjust one of them like our good buddies. shortfilm he the hardcore sci fi he submitted it to cryptic con and it actually got a really good rating. And you know, this is sci fi dude. I'm not going to show it just because you're a friend. And because it's an I'm not going to show it because it's a sci fi movie that absolutely doesn't fit crypto. But you know if it was still myth, fuck yeah, that'd be shown that a doubt. But I didn't realize that until I'd actually already processed through and then I was going back and double checking on App Sorry, dude. And I I contacted him directly and said, I'm sorry man. Your movies not going shows like Yeah, I kind of figured it wasn't gonna. But so I Don't know, most of the time through just like any film festival, if there's a situation like, Hey, I've got this stars in the movie, they're gonna come and they'll talk about it. There are films that are get shown that maybe wouldn't get shown because of that. But it's not. It's not my buddies, I don't put this film festival together to promote my buddies, per se. And I say do a good movie. It's got to be something we're showing. And I've annoyed people in the past through that, especially some of the Northwest filmmakers. And fun fact, by the way, I can speak about this from personal experience. So I met Eric, because you accepted one of my films before we knew each other into a fast and then we didn't meet again for like five years. And you did not accept my second film for a different first, and you didn't know me, so you know what guy is and you know what? It's fine. I was not even remotely hurt because it was a science fiction film. So I had before this one showed up, I had three people send an email gone. Hey, man, I'm sorry. We're not showing thanks for checking out my movie. Yeah, I mean, next time, and I replied to all of them. This guy just ignored. Yeah. And with Krypton, I don't lie to the filmmakers. I've had filmmakers who say, Hey, I'd love to attend. But like this one guy got his film. And I think he's in Lebanon. He's like, Well, I plan on attending, like, holy shit. Okay, let me lay this out for you. First. This is not a theater Film Festival. We would love to have you come because that'd be cool. But this is a part of a convention. We're in a hotel. We're screaming in a rescreening in a room that a lot of people come in and out of it's a convention. World. Right. You know, I make no bones about that. There are pictures on the Filmfreeway about and stuff. I'm not hiding from it. I'm proud of the movies we pick and show. Yeah, but I don't want a filmmaker walking in and going. I've had that happen. Right. Where we've done that. Yeah. Where I showed up at a film festival. All right. But so yeah, yeah, I've got no ego about this festival. It is for the filmmakers, as far as I'm concerned. Because there's no, there's nothing but the camaraderie of coming to a convention, which is different than coming to a festival in a theater. So anyways, yeah, don't send letters like that. Oh, it's so crazy. It's so crazy to react like that. You're not going to last in the film world at all. If that is your attitude, if every time it doesn't go your way you blow the hell up. Like you have to be really famous and really important to get away with that kind of attitude. And buddy, you're not Yeah, and even now you get a hard time. Now, yeah, less and less. So smacking people on stage at the Oscars or something, you can even get yourself shocked. So that he got banned for 10 years from a show. I haven't watched her two years. And I was like, Is this punishment? Still good awards? He just can't be there to get him. Just doesn't have to deal with the bullshit that the rest of us do. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay, let me think what do we want to talk about? I want to talk about Taylor Hawkins passed away the drummer who fighters and that was a real bummer, really upsetting. I went then and rented studio 666, which was the Foo Fighters horror film that just came out. It is silly, and stupid and a lot of fun. And it was a little bittersweet because Taylor Hawkins is actually pretty good in it too. And you're just like, oh, man, what a waste. But just seemed like they were having a shit ton of fun making this movie. The Gore is ridiculously over the top. They're playing themselves. And I was like, this is you know, this is something that just doesn't happen anymore. This is this is kiss meets the Phantom of the park, you know, done on a budget or something. It's Oh, wow. It's ridiculous. They're all playing themselves. And Dave Grohl is playing himself as just this egotistical asshole. Very, very funny. And everybody in the band is a little scared of him. And I just, I just had a really good time with it. And I really sad to see that Taylor had passed away at such a young age. Yeah, yeah, that was pretty bad. He was incredible. I was a huge fan of Foo Fighters growing up and I had that was the last concert I went to actually it was a Foo Fighters concert with my friend and they had Taylor Hawkins front and center and they lifted him up on a little pedestal partway in and he was playing the drums like with no barriers like 50 100 feet up and God Jesus. So I yeah, I'm glad you check that out and can't wait to see it myself. So there's a film that I saw and haven't had the opportunity to talk about yet because we haven't had a normal show. And we didn't have a normal show for a little while. And there were a few other things that came up that I wanted to talk about first, but Have either of you managed to see the film X? No, not yet. Okay. Well, I won't spoil anything. Um, it was pretty solid. Pretty, pretty decent. I'm not huge into torture porn. And I wouldn't say that this is torture porn. There's a lot of very Tropi horror stuff going on in it. And I think it's very much on purpose, because it's making fun of that sort of 70s exploitation. Sex meets gore. Small farmhouse middle of nowhere, no budget film. But it did do something that completely shocked me, which made it a very, very interesting film. Where it it really dives into ageism. And that I did not expect. There's just a lot I'll be excited when you guys do finally check it out to talk further. But the villains of the villain of the piece is an elderly person. And there's a lot of discussion about how people are treating her and reacting to her, which I just was pretty surprised by so Oh, well. This sounds like a definite recommend then from Yeah, I would Yeah, I think it's worth checking out. Um, it definitely wasn't like my favorite personal film, but I think it made me think a lot more than I had any hopes or dreams that it would I was like, wow, this is I'm still thinking about this film. I'm still processing it. Well, that's cool. Ty Westerman kind of hit or miss for me, it's like his homage is sometimes feel like well, is that really what you're doing homage to you see more like you're doing this, right, calling it this. But this sounds like it. It's a it's a pretty good chord, it feels like there's a lot that's happening correctly in this and I know that there is going to be his next film that'll be coming out probably not too far from now will be fucking nuts. And you have to see this to see that. So he's a filmmaker, that I he's got an interesting problem. I think most people don't know how to end a film. And I always find his films to be just absolutely boring until the third thing goes into scene. And then you're like, Oh, that was not too bad. This has some interesting like setup along the way that I feel like he's learning like, I didn't enjoy innkeepers at all and was the house. The devil house of the devil. I definitely had that issue where it was kind of like interesting ish, but not really and kind of boring. And then it was like, Whoa, what is going on right now? And it's been? Yeah, and it's over this? I think he does some pretty interesting setup stuff along the way that yeah, it's it makes you think a little more. That's still in theaters. Right? It is still in theaters. Wow, fascinating. Hey, we talked a little bit about this off. So I don't feel like bringing up my own fall again. But I'll talk about another return to the past I did with Dina like, I want to watch his fans like, okay, pump up the volume. Still on radio? Yeah, it's still a fun film. But under the world of what we're doing becomes very different to watch where the idea is. Well, here's this one guy out here, taking over the radio airwaves to talk hard. And nobody else is doing it. They're all just listening to him. I mean, it goes away from that by the end, of course. But right now, we're kind of the other way around. Everybody's talking and maybe a few less of us. Got us, of course. When we're good, we're great. I remember hearing that this had like a really troubled rights issue. So how did you watch this? It was streaming on something, a rental, but it did it. It seemed to have more ease usually music whenever it's a rights problem. And it see it had all the songs that he had definitely remember. Okay. His theme song when he started up, he played the same song every time. And that but it did. There's two or three songs on this one, you know, but the ones they really needed to have like I'm in jail where he's specifically dancing to that song, right? They had all of those. I would like to check that out again. Still fun. Christian Slater when he was doing what he was doing. He was a lot of fun on screen. I'm gonna bring up then something that I'm surprised we haven't talked about. It came out on Netflix as a Netflix movie original. That was the Adam project Ryan Reynolds movie. I keep meaning to watch that and just saying Am I have not yet because it is so good. Really? It's really good. I got teary eyed in two spots. Oh, wow. So I really liked it. I thought it was very funny. Touching. I know the effects were great and everything, this would have been a great theater watch and directed by the guy who's going to be doing the next Deadpool movie. Oh, it's an it's Ryan Reynolds partner. I can't remember his name now. Oh, sure. But I just had a blast with that I thought for sure you guys will be all over that. I was really, really excited. And then other people around me were not as excited to see it. So I kept backburner during it. And now I'm gonna have to watch it by myself. I think Ryan Reynolds has done kind of like, years ago, Tom Cruise did. It's like, this is my role. This is what I do. Right? And he does it really well. I mean, he knows how to pick the projects now to fit this area of a Ryan Reynolds. So that sounds like he's continuing that. Yeah, he's literally just playing Deadpool in every movie now and figured that out and everything. I gotta say, you know, I don't know how old this guy is now. 40, maybe, maybe in his 40s. He is one handsome slab of meat. maintained. It's true. It's true. It's so funny how we all well, a lot of people wrote him off. At one point. It's just like, oh, the dumb guy and the teen movie and stupid romance comedies not even very good. And now we're all like, wait a minute, for Fareed was the movie that turned me around on Amazon, holy shit. And he is not a Ryan Reynolds character, and that he is actually acting and he's really good. There. I mean, the whole point is that he, he time travels back and meets his younger self. It's a sci fi thing. The kid they've got playing the young him is so perfect. I'm just like, wow, this kid has his timing down perfectly. But the best part is, he's a little shrimp and everything. And when he figures out that he grows up into Ryan Reynolds, he's just thrilled. He's beaten up all the time and everything. And one point. He gets angry for his older self not helping him in a fight. And he goes, Hey, do you know how you grow up to look like this? Because you get yourself kicked, you know? the shit kicked out of you constantly. And you finally decide you have to do something about it. I'm not going to stop that from happening. I was like, yeah, that is how we how we grow. That is how we level up. All right, cool. Um, well, I just this week saw another movie that kind of a huge surprise to me. Everything everywhere all at once. All I want to see heard so many good things about this, like, Fuck, it's so good. It's so good. Everyone in it is incredible. The editing and this is I would die like it was one dude. And I don't know, like how you would edit this movie in under 10 years. I don't know how he did it. Unless he just didn't sleep. I mean, they're the number of shots and cuts on action and continuous motion through this is astounding. It's a really fun, weird, weird movie that has so many standout moments. And again, like that, the actors are incredible. Michelle Michelle. Yeah. Yeah, is incredible. And the guy who plays the husband, I thought from watching the trailer, I was going to be really irritated with him as this kind of smaller man, he has a really squeaky voice and I was like, Oh, this is going to really grate on me. If I have to watch this through the whole movie. He kills it. He just destroys that role. And turns out, He's, um, that short, short, round show. from Indiana Jones. Yeah, he actually hasn't done a ton of stuff since the 80s. He was also data data and Goonies and yeah, like he's been kind of out of the picture for a little while came back for this and, uh, seriously, uh, he's so so good. So please, please, please check this movie out. It's fucking bonkers. But in a way that I didn't like. Was the other movie they Daniels did. With Daniel Radcliffe and oh, the gas the gas with for farting corpse? Oh, that was another Daniels movie. Oh, okay. Yeah. And I liked that one. So quirky and so weird. And so I think part of why I liked it as it was one of the early indications that Daniel Radcliffe was very interested in being a actor, not being Daniel Radcliffe Harry Potter. True because my God he played is a farting corpse So, but it is weird and it is definitely a polarizing film. A lot of people hate that movie. Yeah, I would say this. This actually feels very different but has some of those same that same charm of their technique and their personality and their style in it. I also didn't realize they did the Turn down for what music. It's all coming together for me. I feel like after Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon Michelle Yeoh was supposed to become a big star. And for whatever reason, it didn't happen. And now 20 years later, I've seen her in all sorts of things, all sorts of stuff. very thrilled for her. I'm always praising her as the Goddess that she is good. Oh, that's good. Well, I think I think I'm inching towards Kelly and Boba Fett territory here with Halo. Oh, no. is so strange. It's I don't know what they're doing. It may be they just you know what? We're gonna let the video game be the video game. And we're going to do an entirely different story with the same design and the same names worked for the Mario brothers. Yeah, they because they've introduced Cortana now, but John, the Master Chief wants nothing to do with her. And so they're it's almost like they're starting out in an antagonistic situation, which makes no sense for a super soldier. Who should who has just given everything and just go okay, that's my mission. I do it. That's my mission. I do it. Well, I don't like this. No, we're done. It's just It's just frustrating. Because I am going to give it probably another episode or two, but if it doesn't, it's just not worth the time. And that is a bummer, because I know you were really excited for this. Yeah. Looks cool. Looks like Halo. Sorta, this is always doesn't have his helmet on ever. It's like Judge Dredd. So weird knots. That freaks me out. This goes back to what I was saying. Last week about moon night. I don't mind them changing something. But it's got to be better than what has already been established. Yes. Yeah. This is again, a reason I mentioned Boba Fett is reminding that they're taking it especially in the Master Chief's case, an extremely powerful character as far as military might. And stripping above it entirely. It's, it's like he has no, he has no warrior mentality anymore. And some of that can be really cool. And has been used to great effect in movies in the past where you've got like, soldier or something. But this isn't starting off. This is how badass this guy is. You never get that moment of how badass he is. Because in the first episode, he misses all the key save moments, helping like saving all the children like oh, he's gonna show up and said no. Okay. And then another moment happens. Oh, he didn't save them either. So he's a shitty warrior. The first episode could basically because he is timing is terrible, terrible. And now they're pulling him down more and more like there's a emotional cut off thing in his body. So you know, just kills and doesn't worry about so he has that removed. So now he's enjoying music and liking puppies and remembering memories of when he was a kid gone. And if that was coupled with a character that already felt needed a little bit of redemption, because he was maybe being so horribly violent and brutal in the like a first episode. That might be interesting. But it's not. So it's just, it's just sitting there and going nowhere. If it had been like, a really cool sci fi story that just happens to have the halo character in it. Fine, but it's not. Like damn, this is 10 million in Episode they're dropping on this thing. It's like, oh, God, Vanessa, you brought up a really interesting point about this show. Last time, we talked about it where you were saying, in an adaptation of something like this, you wouldn't really touch that main character because you want people who play him to not have their their feelings while they're playing it colored by this film or anything like you guys read any of the reviews for Halo. Not really. I just read this review that was it felt like this person was missing exactly what you were saying where she was saying, you know, At last we're given a face to this guy and everything. And this is so much better than, say a Disney show where a different person has to keep his helmet on all the time and we don't get to see him All this I was like, Wow. I would guess she has not played the game? I would think so. Yeah, cuz the Mandalorian is much better written. Yeah DeLorean has a lot more personality again. masterchief is an empty shell. Yeah, kind of the character that you insert yourself into Cortana is the, like personality person that makes him do the shit he may not want to do. But she convinced this is what you need to do. Yeah, that's where the heart of the story really comes from? Is that better relationship? Do you think perhaps they thought we don't want to be compared with the Mandalorian. So we can't have our main character keep his helmet on all the time? Could be who knows. But it's all your choice in the first episode, which, you know, I didn't love and everything but I thought we were gonna get that little girl is kind of the audience at a separate in the second episode. And she he leaves her with somebody and this third episode ends with her teaming up with him who's a friend of John's from when they're getting trained. So yeah, she's not. I thought she would be our point of view and the character that you guys play in the game would always be us watching. Yeah, that would have been better. That would have been really interesting actually, to have him as sort of the, you know, the thing going on in the news in the background or whatever, or like the you see him like running across during a thing, but you're really with the story of what his actions affect. That would be pretty cool. But I haven't seen in session. Judge. Oh, you're right. And what you're saying. This is apple plus is doing that, right. Pam is oh, is it paramount? Let's see. I always I didn't know apparently. She is weird. That's interesting, because I thought it was apple plus and I was surprised because they've kind of been knocking it out of the park. Yeah. Had last I was incredible severance which I talked about last week is incredible. Other things that I can't remember right now there's a bunch I haven't watched but are very, very well regarded. And yeah, I haven't watched that. I love so much that you guys will watch. It's been on my list. I keep wanting to finish. It's gonna happen. Yes. Okay, why don't we take a break guys and then we'll come back. We're talking and non MCU Marvel. Secret supervillains are cutting secret. Marvel superheroes. Marvel Super Villains and superheroes figures each sold separately. Doom in the Doom, Magneto. Captain America and the champions of freedom. Spider Man. Secret Wars secrets out there doing Spider Man? Vital Secret Wars collection and we're back. This was my sub genre picky. Yes, I will go first. The whole point of this was that there's plenty of Marvel Cinematic Universe movies out right now. In fact, that's almost all you can see if you go to the theater. Yeah, but prior to the MCU there were other Marvel movies. So with that in mind, I chose a real stinker. Oh, but I kind of liked itself. You know me. From 1978. Doctor Strange. This modern hospital may seem worlds apart from the days of ancient sorcerers. What for psychiatrists, Stephen Strange and Beautiful patient. This is where those worlds collide. And the nightmare begins. We're here interviewing the founder of the Lafave method, a woman who in the last few days seems to have taken at least a part of New York city by storm so to speak. Here to tell us more about it is forced behind the payment. Morgan le Fay, Miss Libby, can you tell us just what it is exactly that the method does? Quite simply it unlocks the potential within you. It's a way of realizing your own powers and using them to get what you really want. pushed him over. Nothing the students strange learned in medical school could prepare him for an attack by an anvil sorceress from the fourth dimension, villainous who can only be stopped by an ugly master of a Mr. Guards you're telling me you're a sorcerer. I came here to try to help the patient take It was up to Steven stirrings to take the place of the last sorcerer. I become the sorcerer you should learn whose powers are a fantastic adventure into the fourth dimension with Dr. Strange. This was a TV movie so no budget and box office. Except that weirdly I did find some box office so it must have been released maybe in Europe or something for but the box office is $1 million $1 million. I was like, that seems unlikely. So I don't know how this got on here. Also no rotten to Rotten Tomatoes critics but the audience has it a 57% I gotta say that seems high tier Written and directed by Philip de guerra Jr, who has three directing credits all television episodes, but tons of writing credits for TV in the 70s in the 80s Beretta Bionic Woman Twilight Zone and he created Simon and Simon Whiz Kids and Air America and of course it is based on the character created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko for Marvel Comics. Have you guys see this TV movie? No, I've seen stills and I think a scene from it like Oh my this stars Peter Hooton. Peter Hooton, he was in native terror, the student body, orca and 27 other credits and film and television, and Marie Martin, tons of 70s television. Also she was in Halloween to prom night, the bogans and 298 episodes of Days of Our Lives in 41 episodes of sledge hammer and Jessica Walter 161 credits, including Play Misty for Me, Concord Air Force 79 ghosts in the machine, but we'll always be Lucille Bluth from Arrested Development. Oh, and Mallory Archer from archer. I love this woman and was very sad when she passed away at the age of 80 and 2021. Wow. Oh my gosh. So this story starts in a weird dimension full of fog machines. Morgan le Fay who is Jessica Walters, she looks smokin hot. She's always wearing a tight dress with a slit all the way up to the hip, which is a serious comic book costume from the 70s. And she's speaking with this inhuman entity that actually looks pretty dang cool for the effects of the time. I think it's supposed to be Dr. Malmo although it is never mentioned. But the Malmo strains Nemesis and the comic and the first MCU Strange movie Doctor Strange. That's how he fights at the end is dumb ammo. This thing is, I think it's a puppet. And it's shot in a weird negative colors. So it's yellow and orange and its eyes are glowing at its mouth is moving, but it's not human looking at all and I was like, I kind of dig this whatever's going on. And Dormammu is what I'm going to call him. And he's telling her that he has been prevented from entering the earthly realm by the sorcerer supreme, and she has three days to kill the sorcerer and went over his successor. Now I don't know why the three days. There's like no reason why it can only be three days. Oh, Mr. Botha expect you to die. See you I'll be leaving the room. Yes, that kind of thing. For reasons there are only three days available. He has been there. Malmo is a timeless entity, and she has several 100 years old. So it seems like she should have said something like, Hey, I couldn't use a bit more notice for this. So she shows up on Earth, and she kind of possesses this beautiful woman and uses her to push this old man that she's walking past off of a bridge and down to the street below. And then she she unpossessed as a woman kind of leaves her to deal with the backlash of what has happened. She's like looking down off this bridge at this dead guy on the ground and she's oh my god, what about all this stuff? But to do that she pushed off the bridge isn't dead and he slowly gets up he brushes himself off in front of everyone and kind of shuffles off. And then when he's alone, his hand starts to glow and he kind of presses up against his side and heals himself a little and then makes his way back to his home. Which is a very bland building but it does have a big skylight symbol of Dr. Strange his home on it which I like you know that bizarre kind of symbol that sits on the skylight from all the comics and everything. This is really about the only thing this movie gets right. So with the help of his assistant Wong, the man is taken care of and we get a ton of exposition and we find out that this guy is the sorceress supreme. He knows that there is an evil forest trying to kill him and he needs to find his successor soon, so that this being can't come through to Earth to a psychiatric hospital where we meet Dr. Stephen Strange, Peter Hooton, who looks an awful lot like Mike Brady with a mustache and is very hard to take seriously. He I can't tell if he is being directed to act bad or if he is a bad actor. Or maybe he just hates this role. I don't know. But he's really bad like from scene one. Oh, no. And he also seems like a bit of an idiot. So we find out the the woman who pushed the sorcerer off the bridge is suffering from the psychic after effects being possessed and her name Eric is clear. From the guy next guy. No. Well, I'm just saying. You're wanting me to fill in the last name or? Oh, no, no. I thought it was super interesting that the MCU has never dealt with. Oh, yes. Okay. And this TV thing is clear was strange is I guess you would call her his girlfriend slash. And it's true. They never have to. Oh, inappropriate. That's right. I kind of forgotten about that character. But okay, yeah. So, so another thing that this thing gets right over the film version. Anyhow, so the sorcerer shows up and tries to convince strange that he's the next sorcerer supreme and he resists the call, of course. And then there's a scene where lafay has a chance to kill strange in the hospital. But she hesitates, she realizes that he's going to be the next socialist Supreme, but she can't bring herself to kill him. Why, you may ask. He's just so dreamy. Well, when asked by Dora Namo why she confesses that she is attracted to him. This is a bullshit righty right here, because there's just no way that this evil smokin hot socialist finds anything attractive about this bed. Whatever. She's into people looking down, you know, she she goes, she hits she hits below. There's this weird scene in the hospital where strangers watching Aven Costello Meet Frankenstein and like a dead room or something. And then it cuts to someone else's watching the same movie at the same time at home. And it kind of jarred me to realize how quaint that seems. Because back then, with only three TV stations, if you were watching something on TV, there was a good chance that there were several million other people watching exactly the same show at exactly the same time. And I was like, Oh, wow, that's weird. So there's this, there's some bullshit story here a backstory of strangest folks being killed when he was 18. And it turns out that they knew he was special and they died protecting him. So he's basically Harry Potter, I guess or something like that. But I was like, wow, that is a weird thing to throw in here that they, you know from from birth, basically, he was going to be the next sorcerers. Oh, everyone knew. So anyway, Strange has to go into the mystic realm and pull clear out of this psychic coma that she's in. And of course a lot the defeat lafay and stuff evil finally take on the mantle of sorcerer supreme, which he really does with very little effort. They fill this all up to be something really tough, and then he just does it in the span of 90 minutes. Oh my god, and it ends with him basically having all the powers of the sorcerer supreme and none of the knowledge and so he must get to work defending the earth with walk, but also having an appropriate relationship with his patients. There's no surprise I was looking this up while you're talking to him. David. There is a surprising number of still photos from this. DeBerry available to watch. I know I'm very glad that Eric showed me a picture of who you're describing, because I had not put it together and oh my god. Now he's no good. Okay, so So get this your smokin hot Jessica Walter, you're 40 you're looking fantastic. You're sexy. You're also you know, in this movie, hundreds of years old. Sure. And you see that guy? I gotta I gotta have him 0% His life smells like many fro curl for days hair. No, he looks like he should be fixing my IBM. Like there's nothing else. I don't want anything to do with that guy. So I'll just say this. This movie is not very good. It is very slow and boring and parts, but there were moments that I actually enjoyed a lot. When strange goes into the psychic realm, the fun geography is this really groovy acid infused imagery that reminded me a bit of Steve Ditko is weird art. And I thought that was pretty cool. And I was like, I don't remember seeing anything like this in safe the SpiderMan series or the hole or any of that stuff. So I was like, they're really trying something here with that. And I thought that was cool. I really liked the Dormammu feature. It was very cool. It was definitely a pilot for a series and the rest of the series would be strange helping someone every episode as he slowly skills. And I don't think that's any worse of a TV trope than like the wandering hero who steps into a town to help someone like Hulk or night writer, or the littlest hobo. Remember the little soul of the dog? Oh, my God. Yeah. It's I mean, it's the same story through all these 70 shows. It had very low Nielsen scores and was not picked up for series, probably because it aired opposite routes. Oh, my. Oh, geez. Nobody had any reading that night. Except for one thing. I do have some trivia here. Philip de guerra was given an ample budget for Dr. Strange. The film was shot on the universal sets in Los Angeles, which was really apparently if you've ever done the universal backlot tour, I do walk through their town and everything. That was all of the sets that were supposed to be New York and I was like, Oh, I don't think so. It went over schedule by several days filming because of the special effects, which included a lot of this error is green screen so probably better than moon falls green screen. I liked movie. Composer Paul chauraha produced an electronic score and interviewed in 2016 said that the glare had high hopes for the film and that he was crushed when it taked in the Nielsen ratings in March of 1985. Stanley recounted the largely positive experience of working on Dr. Strange compared with the other live action Marvel Comics adaptations under the publishers development deal with CBS and universal in the late 70s. And he said I probably had the most input into that one, Doctor Strange. I've become good friends with the writer producer field where I was pleased with Dr. Strange and the Incredible Hulk. I think that Dr. Strange would have done much better than it did in the ratings, except that it aired opposite routes. Those are the only experiences I've had with live action television. Dr. Strange and the Incredible Hulk were fine. Captain America was a bit of a disappointment and Spider Man was a total nightmare. And finally on this, Morgan le Fay appears as Dr. Strange foe in this movie. Oddly enough, Morgan le Fay was introduced to the modern era of Marvel Comics in Spider Woman number two, just a few months before the date of this movie, and did not encounter Doctor Strange until Avengers 240. Published in 1984. And then I got some reviews here. Oh, a couple of people. This guy is a different drummer three gives it one out of 10 stars. But then he titles his review. Maybe we didn't or Ramy will ultimately fix this mess. I wonder if this is the same guy from that last movie I reviewed Khan. Oh no, because listen to this. This review is penned in Anno Domini 2013 where for the first time in decades, competent writers and producers are finally turning the Marvel vaults into a steady stream of serious entertainment, albeit of uneven quality. Oh my god among fanboys It is known that one of the greatest disappointments in the Marvel library is Dr. Strange, which has never been turned into a decent film not even once. This is 2013 by the way. Part of the fault is the quality or lack of same and the production teams who in the past have taken on the on the project and this film done to a below average TV movie standard. Case in point that was all capital. So it was important that you said it. He said it is awful and part of the problem. The part no one wants to discuss is that the doctor strange character is not the brightest bulb in the Marvel catalog. The original character was created to be deliberately dull and morose. And it did not help that the working mechanics of the mystical world and the series are for example, several notches below Harry Potter. That's not promising. I mean, you really should know a little about what you're writing about. This is not evident to the Doctor Strange series, the promises there but no more than that. Literary History buffs will know that in the 1970s a fictional series came out to compete in this niche entitled Doctor Orient, and it was much more creative and show the promise of the core idea literary Doctor orient I have I have one more 10 out of 10 and loved it by Brian White 530 Absolutely superb entertainment 70 style, having a top rated actor like John Mills just adds to the enjoyment but the real star is the actor playing Doctor Strange just fits the role perfect. Yes, it's it knows his limitations so stays within them letting your imagination go wild. I can understand why so few people have seen this film although I only saw it since I stumbled upon it on VHS and it's mine to watch many more times highly recommended. I would say that I sit somewhere in between those two guys as far as my review, but there was enough in there to keep me entertained. Nice, nice. Okay, well, I will go next. I picked a film that I had heard about but I had no interest in watching it or its second one when they both flew through the theaters. And that would be Ghost Rider. But I did Ghost Rider too which is kind of two we'll get to that in a second spirit of vengeance just riders for when he does destroy whoever's got it we'll take on a new form on more powerful you're on fire yep, that's maybe you could drop a pin in here. I actually don't hate this really cool moment. I actually don't hate this movie either. Um, so this, I say it's the second one. It's more of a really a reboot than it is a sequel. It really strays from the first one pretty drastically. It maintains one cast member, of course, and everything else from the design of the of the ghost writer all the way to supporting character characters and actors and style and everything about it shifts, so But you and I might be pretty alone in this Kelly because critics put this at 18%. And audience has it at 31%. However, that being said, the budget which was somewhere between 57 and 75 million, wow. I don't know where it landed in there. It had a box office of 132 point 6 million. It was quite a success. I started there, they got my 13 bucks. A little little contribution. It is directed by a duo of directors who had worked together for a little while Mark Neville Dean and Brian Taylor. They had put out together crank one and two, as well as gamer. Then Mark went on to do after Ghostrider, the Vatican tapes and Panama. And Brian Taylor went on to do mom and dad and the happy TV series. So I watched a lot of behind the scenes. These guys are great. They are so great. And they know exactly what they're doing and exactly how insane the situations that they found themselves where there was so much some kid was running around behind the scenes filming everything. And the number of times they look at them like aha, this is great. Like yeah, they know this particular moment sucks. Anyways, written actually was kind of rewritten by both mark and Brian. They had the the last hands on it, but it was adapted through several other people's versions including SC got m Gimple from walking dead writer took a whack at it set. Seth Hoffman from walking dead and House took a whack at it and David S. Goyer from Dark City and Dark Knight fame had penned the original version. Yeah, and again, they they kind of went with the Goyer version as close as they could, while still getting the rating that they had to get for it. So starring Nicolas Cage as Johnny Blaze, he's been 110 things we have talked about next and color out of space on the show, and probably a few other things that I'm forgetting. I'm really excited about seeing him in the unbearable weight of massive talents, where he seems to look like he's going to reprise a couple of his moments and film. How have we not done a cage centric episode? Yeah, no shit. Okay. Karen Hines, please work and I might be pronouncing that wrong. He's a British actor work is sort of the devil in this. Particularly. How come nobody did this for our devil episode? Because this is a really good devil. I thought he was just sent up there too. Oh, wait a second. Oh, is the devil This is my problem with this. I also get this confused with like Dr. angry and there's other stuff going on little period where he did a whole bunch of super because the movies and I talked about on the devil was really really, really good. Fair. All right, fair. I'm curious. Karen's been in 124 things. He's a British staple. You would have seen him in Harry Potter. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. He starred in the TV mini series The terror. Actually, I don't know if it is a miniseries it might just be a series, and he was the voice of Steppenwolf. In Zack Snyder's Justice League. It was specified as Zack Snyder so I don't know if he just didn't play him and the other one or if they rewrote it on IMDb. I don't know somebody got to IMDb and did some shaking. Idris Elba is also in this. He's a well known English actor that you may have seen in Luthor Pacific Rim Thor, the wire or my favorite his unforgettable role in Star Trek Beyond the probably one of the worst Star Trek villains of all time, and most confusing Star Trek villains of all time. He plays a French guy named Murrow with a very bad French accent. He's been in 103 things. Voluntary vi vi violin time for the koto is an Italian actress who plays Nadia aroma woman. She's been in 51 things, mostly Italian projects, but also she showed up in the American and the transporter TV series. Johnny Whitmore plays Ray Kerrigan, he is kind of a henchmen bad guy. He's been in 47 things, mostly smaller roles and TV movies, most recently in blind spot and the 100. But the reason why he stands out to me is he looks like a younger budget version of Kurt Russell, which I did enjoy. Oh, look, it's a he's trying to be Kurt Russell. And that's very exciting. And Mr. Tony head, Giles and Christopher Lambert both show up as priests. really random. Really, really, really random. This apparently is what brought Christopher Lambert out of retirement. Yeah. Anyway, the plots. We start off in a monastery out in the middle of the sort of desertas crazy looking cave structure. Morrow, which is Idris Elba shows up on a motorcycle driving real fast he jumps off talks to Giles, trying to warn him. Incoming danger, the monk saw look a little perplexed and are not taking him seriously. However, a woman named Nadia and her son Danny are hiding out there when of course a gang of dudes and thugs who are various types of henchmen invade the monastery and chase after Nadia who manages to slip away before they find her. Then a car chase ensues with Moreau following behind trying to help Nadia but she does not understand that he is not an evil guy. So she's trying to run him off the road just as much as everybody else who's following her. She she does manage it. He does actually fall off the side of the road on his motorcycle, but it's okay because he has the power of slow motion. And so he can turn shoot bullets and hit her assailants square in their face before catching a tiny twig and not falling down the side of the cliff. He knows that there is something real rough coming In her way, and he needs help, so he makes his way to the hideout of one Johnny Blaze. A man who made a bad deal with the devil and is cursed to be Ghost Rider, a demon of vengeance, or is he an angel who wants to collect souls for hell. He is called up by Morocco, who goes and visits his warehouse that is conveniently nearby because he has gone into hiding trying to suppress the writer after the previous film, which I did not see. So I don't know much about it. However, they do take the time to do a very fun animated sequence showcasing the previous film, which is really nice because you're not like given the crappy elements of it. It's all in this beautiful like cut out like pieces that are flying across the screen with like the meaning of the motorcycle, but moment, highlighted in a good voice over from cage. It's a very nice fun way of addressing the previous film. He does not want anything to do with this. He's been trying to get away from the writer he wants to just live his life. He shuns Moreau, but Murrow is like, yo, hey, but what if I could help you get rid of the writer and you could return to a normal life? Because maybe me and my monk pals can make that happen for you? And he's like, fuck, okay, and immediately explodes the entire warehouse into flames. As the writer takes over him. He then jumps off into a motorbike that is also a flame and uses his writer sense to go and find Danny. So he's on his way. Meanwhile, Nadia and Danny have been found yet again, in a small cafe by this crew of dudes. They end up in another car chase where they are forced off the road by the leader of this gang, her ex boyfriend, Ray Kerrigan. He is not too thrilled with her and he's referring to Danny as not his kid. So something happened there. He's about to kill Nadia when who should appear but Ghost Rider. He shows up whipping a chain around which is all hot and fiery and keeps grabbing men and turning them into ashes as he is hungrily taking their souls Nadiya uses this time to escape with Danny and the rider is actually overcome by these dudes who I guess shoot him and I guess that hurts him. I don't really understand how Ghost Rider works because they throw grenades at him and he's fine. So I'm not entirely sure what the rules are with him. But anyways, he wakes up at a hospital the next day and follows Nadia she has lost Danny and needs to go and find him and we get the backstory which is that much like Johnny she too made a deal with the devil but hers resulted in burning the Antichrist who was actually a pretty nice kid. Johnny and Nadia must set out to find and stop work the devil from basically doing a special ceremony where he is going to take the kid and swap places with him he's going to take over his body and begin life a new and a younger stronger flesh which will result in killing Danny so we then set off in a fiery crazy sunfilled CGI filled upon filled film. It's bonkers, like the fucking bonkers to that had the horse the first 1000 the first time Yeah, I don't remember a horse. Yeah, it's pretty damn cool. Um, you know? Okay, so this film is really fucking fast paced. There's a lot that happens very quickly. There is no I mean I don't even remember which fights happened when because it is so fucking fast. They camera work and the effects are pretty fun. They're trying a lot of shit out some I'm not sure really work. There's this moment where there's an explosion and Ghost Rider is like, stopped in time. And then he does a 360 turn like Matrix style, but it's us going around him and not. I don't know. It doesn't make any sense why we're doing it or what why this has happened, but they're very proud. And I'm like, I think it might be because this film was also shot in a way to be released in 3d. So there were a lot of moments I was like this is a 3d like Idris like being flown thrown off of the cliff side and slomo I was like this is definitely a thing guys. I am sure that the there's a lot of style to this. There's a lot of saturation. There's a lot about accents. Is yourself, too. Doing a French accent is awful. Um, I can't say that the Italian woman doing the Roma accent is much better. It's also pretty bad. Um, Nick Cage, however is Nick Cage. And there's a lot of opportunities for him to fully Nick Cage and it is pretty glorious. I think the VO bits at first I was like, This is bad. We're actually pretty good in their badness. There's a lot of good in its badness. And this film is not a good film. It's a bad film, but it is also a good film. I don't know how to marry this in my brain. I would be fascinated to take Vanessa from the show we had to air a couple of weeks ago and have you see what you thought of it versus the way you are now that now that you've been integrated into our enjoyment of bad films? I think she would have hated it Dave I can't say because evolution process I am currently living so I really can't enjoy it you know it was fun it's been it was a pretty fucking fun film all around um the the one other shout out I want to give to this also is there's the ray Kerrigan Kurt Russell, knock off dude who you're like, oh, yeah, we know who you are. We know what you are a bubble wall gets right. They turn him into this, like decay monster partway through. It's so good. So everything he touches, decays, and it's such a great awful superpower to have. Because every time he touches somebody, their skin and their bone and their shit just just falls off and like molds, and it's just so freaky and interesting and unique. The trivia a lot of the stuff I did find by watching the behind the scenes and just kind of made notes. How did you get the behind the scenes stuff? My partner has this on Blu ray. Radio, we're gonna say very, very loving, loving this film and has wanted me to do it for a long time. It's been waiting the number of times he is offered this up as an option when it has been wildly inappropriate. is pretty frequent. So glad to get this one knocked out of the park. Um, but yeah, so immediately, he made me watch all of the behind the scenes stuff. So hours, hours of content. This is the second film under the Marvel nights banner. The first one was the Punisher War Zone. The way in which this kind of came about the idea of this Nick Cage was on the junket for the first film, and he went, of course, he was in England and decided to stop into Westminster Abbey on a lunch break, kind of hung out, sat down during the I think there was a mass in session, and a priest saw him and call them over to sit with him so that he could see the ceremony up close. And I said, you know, the church could use someone like you. And that gave me a Keynesian idea. And he ran with it. That is a way he took away from that interaction. The first film was definitely more of a kid's movie, this one was rebooted to be much darker. Everyone on the behind the scenes keeps talking about how they really liked the first one. They definitely like it. It was a pretty good movie. We just we're taking it in a different direction. But the first one was very good. Like literally everyone it's very Kool Aid, drinking the Kool Aid. The directors say that they would have loved to use Nick Cage for crank but they could not afford him. He they also kept talking about how he has this really weird method to his madness. How he actually doesn't do his freakout scenes just randomly, every single time. He does a huge weird freak out acting extravaganza. He actually has these really specific thoughtful reasons he's implanted for doing them, which I thought was pretty fun. A lot of it was inspired, slash use parts from the Goyer script, but it was insanely R rated. So they added in some Europe and some religion, and they really hated having to make it PG 13. So they tried to use a lot of tongue in cheek cheek stuff to keep it fun, at least. They also had to simplify the story and rewrote it in essentially a month. I don't know what the hurry up and do this was but I think the rights were about to crossover so they had one more opportunity. So everything about pre Pro and production was rushed to hell. It was shot in Romania. So I had a lot of problems that I discussed happen to the movie the church a couple of weeks back. It took forever it was post communist so things might happen or might never happen. They had a location scout it out is really cool big. Like, I want to say it was like a warehouse but it was like a giant infrastructure like several blocks in size. They were like, Okay, we're going to use this section. So if you guys could not plow this down, because they're like slowly killing the area to build something new. They're like, if you could just leave this, we're going to be back in a few weeks, please. And every time they went back, more and more of their set was gone. And they were like, no, please stop destroying this. And they're like, yeah, no, no, we'll leave it, we leave it come back. It's gone. They're like, Oh, good. You got everything. So by the time they went to shoot, it was really like one doorway that they're able to use this entire place. They were actually, you know what, I'm sorry, they didn't end up filming there at all because they said it was probably for the best. They didn't end up filming there. Because it turned out to be super toxic from leftover chemicals of I don't know if it was a Chernobyl situation or what but they were like we should not have been there. Regardless. They made it for about 1/3, somewhere between 1/3 to one half of the budget of the first film, which is why they shot in Romania was the only way that they could shoot and make it work. There was a lot of practical stuff done to save money, lot and long lot of practical in fact, that motorcycle with Idris Elba going off the side of a cliff was shot with them throwing him off the side of a cliff. Like they showed the director attaching himself to behind the Idris so he could watch the monitor in like real time. It was weird. It was crazy. And so they're like being thrown off the side together while strapped to a helicopter. And like swinging around. It was bonkers. It seems like an extra element of danger. That's unnecessary. You know, I agree. I think so. But these guys, I mean, they make crank, like what are you gonna do? Yeah, like that's who they are. The go school was significantly redesigned. For the second movie, it went from this sort of white CGI thing to black with flecks of like embers and pieces of it floating off at all times. It looks really good, as does the expressions of the school. In the first film, they used a stand in to do all of the Ghost Rider stuff, because you wouldn't see Nick Cage's face. And they were like, No, we're going to make Nick Cage do all of it. And so he would show up on set as the Ghost Rider and apparently would not talk to anybody acted really fucking weird. They had the makeup where it was like a bunch of little pieces of sticky on his face and a black blacked out and they give him these black contact lenses. So it looks really frickin weird. And they then use the CGI school to really mimic what he was doing with his face. So he actually did super a lot of his acting made it all the way through the foam of a Mendes turned down the option to reprise her role. Peter Fonda was also offered to come back. And he after reading the first five pages, he flat out refused. Christopher Lambert was required to wear heavy makeup that was tattoos covering his entire head in school. It took so long to do that he just said don't take it off. And he kept it for the entirety of filming. They were forced to do some 3d. So instead of choosing to film specific and specifically in 3d, they did a conversion effect because they just didn't want to deal with it. They wanted to do a lot of stuff in real time in the way that they wanted to and not be forced into specific shot sizes. So that's why looks better than probably most 3d films do. Nick cages son did some of the live hell voices that come out of Ghost Riders gaping ma so whenever Ghost Rider opens his mouth, a lot of strange sounds come out. One of those is his son. And last but not least after this film, The live action film writes for Ghost Rider went back to Marvel Studios. I don't think this is a very good movie, but I did like it. And I really loved the way he looked in this with the oily smoke coming off of him and everything. I thought it was really cool looking. That is not what he looked like in the first movie. Yeah, I saw a couple of stills from the first movie, and I was really happy that this was you're making me kind of want to watch this again. So it's pretty fun. It was pretty fun. I think, you know, especially if you're like, sick or I don't know, high or I don't know. I think like this is a really feel good film that requires very little thinking. That'll work. All right. So much, much, much, much, much smaller budget film. I don't know the budget. As you know, it's a made for TV movie, because it's 1988 The Incredible Hulk return. Whoa, yeah. When David Banner met Maggie Shaw was the love they both been looking forward. But she didn't know his secret. She didn't know that his danger would become her danger. Their life together was threatening. David Banner had been pushed too far. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Are these mean and green and after six years a whole codebase is greatest challenge ever. Because this time he's fighting for love. Build XP and Lou Ferrigno. Are they incredible? Is the Incredible Hulk returns. This has Rotten Tomatoes of 50 from the critics and 41 from the crowd. Sure. All right. I think it's for what it is. I think it's a little better than that. If it was a Marvel movie released in the theaters now, this is way too high. This is directed by Nicolas Correa, who did Airwolf three episodes of the original Hulk TV series. Bill Bixby is listed as experience listeners are uncredited in the original but is now given some directing credit to it. He did 30 episodes of blossom, eight episodes of sledge hammer and more than 15 different series with multiple episodes directed I had no idea he directed so much but he really did a lot of television based on Stanley and all that stuff. But written by Nicholas Cora who wrote 28 episodes of Walker Texas Ranger Star Trek Voyager two episodes of Deep Space Nine and 12 episodes of the original incredible show. Stars Bill Bixby who is in multiple Night Gallery episodes. 107 episodes of My Favorite Martian six episodes of the Jerry Bishop show and tons more. I did not know there was a Joe Bishop show. I bet you did. I did. Lou Ferrigno. He's been a ton of stuff 10 episodes of the offer. Sinbad and the Seven Seas and God spoke 18 episodes of The King Of Queens. Eric Kramer 98 episodes of Good Luck Charlie. And 107 episodes of was one of those walk on guys if there's a movie in the 70s or 80s He's probably in it or TV show. Jack Colvin 82 episodes the The Incredible Hulk and all the TV he's an even more episodes of television Lee Purcell from Valley Girl stir stir crazy Murder She Wrote and still acting well okay, so it opens with the opening credits it's the same opening credits I believe from the original TV show nice. And so I was going oh, I recognize this music and of course it's got the line Don't make me angry. You would like me when I'm angry Have you ever seen okay yeah. The shows the episodes are basically all the same but the the movies are a little different. Originally in my notes accidentally wrote of course Bruce Banner echoed on I was David Banner rights problem or so they didn't want to name him Bruce because this was a very popular gay name. Oh. All right. That is the truth in the 70s they change it to David. Less gay. Apparently. All right, sir. So David Banner, wakes up in a wonderful beach house with his lovely girlfriend all is happy and cat and naughty with his line of you smell delicious and tastes pretty good too. Well damn. After 9pm So they also say that he doesn't say directly what it is. He just says it's been two years since he's had an incident of his horrible monster. There's a group of scientists working on something they swear will never be used as a weapon. Of course David Banner is working row producing and even better is working on it's a gamma ray things that he's hoping it will cure him of the Hulk. Yeah. There's the little montage of him doing all the scientific stuff which looks kind of hilarious except they actually use the a CD disc or his to record his information to super cutting edge 1988 while he's dictating someone breaks in who could it be? Why? It's Donald Blake. Is this your show? And this is now for those of you don't know, in not all but some of the Thor comics there's a Doctor Blake, who was Thor but would carry around like a walking stick and slam it on the ground and he'd become Thor. They don't do that here. This is done differently. But this is he is I don't remember if this is I'm sure this wasn't true in the Thor things but in this he is at old student of banner. So he immediately recognizes that this is not David, what's the name? He uses a false name. Of course it's like David burners Yeah, it's always really close to his original name and like, that's no way to get people off the trail. So he immediately recognizes him as a teacher, he knows he goes on to this big story about how he's joined archaeological groups who are going to find things and they go to the Norse lands and claim this footage of very strong Stark stock footage of people climbing mountains. But they did manage to then take that stock footage and dress the guy into the same outfits at least. So that's nice. So when he enters the cave at the top of the mountain, he's at least dressed correctly. Where he discovers the crypt of Thor and it's all the all the words are written in Norse inSec somehow I was able to read it I don't know why. And he opens up and pulls out this really sad little excuse for Thor's hammer. It looks like a slightly IQ there's the mini sledge hammers. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they built it off of one of those. Oh, but in this he doesn't. He's not Thor. But with this hammer he can summon Thor by yelling Odin for some reason. Oh, so he yells Odin and Thor. Yeah, that issues. So of course we've now have to have Thor show up and what's going to happen to Banner? Oh, it's gonna show up and hulk out. Right and they get into a big ol fight and Thor is all excited about it because it's a worthy opponent and that was fun. The Hawks anger is kind of funny to watch because it's basically Lou standing there flexing and growling kept a thorough this isn't gonna do anything. Come on man. And the villain has shown up it's tim thompson Jack death from transformers. I didn't notice him in the original credits but as soon as he popped up so I know that is so there's some thing this is a made for TV movie. It's It is fun. But all this complicated backstory they try to have like there's somebody at the at the place Bruce's working that is making a deal with people to steal the gear for some reason. So instead of him just stealing it himself, he hires these two goon guys to break in and steal but it doesn't go well because they happen to you know, they run into Hulk. So they decide, oh, this is David banner that says that says his name from the show. So they then now they need to figure out what to do next. But since this was a pilot, much like Dr. Strange this was supposed to be a pilot episode for Thor. I remember Thor looked like shit in this just basically a big Norseman right with a furry outfit. It's got the horn. I mean, he doesn't look like Thor. Yeah, at all. He but anybody who wants to go out any must party and drink so Yeah, him and Daniel go to a biker bar, of course. Where he immediately Thor's immediately loved by everybody and pitchers of beer instead of things and dances with people and gets in an arm wrestling match, but he wins. But those that guy he beat they love each other. Until of course somebody picks up David. And then there's just a brief moment of him punching the crap out of somebody with a bad answer up quick. But so the whole thing is basically let's make far a lot of fun. You want to see more of him? And the guy playing him is likable enough. It's good. It's not. I can see why I didn't get picked up because it is very vanilla. Yeah. And there is of course another lady that I mentioned at the beginning is a very 80s aid lady where she comes in as a plot device as needed. But because they decide well, we can't get into the science place to steal this stuff. Let's kidnap her now and there's a moment that had my my Marvel nerd moment. Go. Come on. So they grabbed Maggie, they run outside Thor and Hulk are there they get in a helicopter Thor and Hulk grabbed the helicopter. But the helicopter shakes both of them off and is able to fly away. And that hits my nerve Marvel nerd out there. I think the Hulk alone could have stopped that. I think Thor would have stopped that. And let's see where it was. The scene hurts. He got the reporters showing up because you have to have the reporter from the original Hulk Show. Show up and thinks of course. Oh, somebody reported a large green person. I'm here to find them. Will he rescue his girlfriend will the cure work? Tune in to find out this is also incredibly easy to find I rented Add on amazon prime I believe for like $2 it is well worth $2 If you are a marvel, if you want to really dive into Marvel, it is fun. Although I was a little disappointed, because I wanted to watch because of the Thor. Like I've never seen the one with Thor. I didn't realize there's one with frickin Daredevil. Yeah. Which I probably would have picked up a trial of the Incredible Hulk. But I'm curious to see their portrayal of Daredevil. So I'll be checking that out at some point. surprisingly similar to the first couple of episodes of the Netflix Daredevil, black, a black costume, which is kind of a bandana over his head, everything. That's awesome. We'll have to check that one out. Let's see. And of course, it gets to the end. Sad Hulk Music Oh, you know, I won't I won't answer all the questions, but I will say it does. And like every episode of the TV show off goes banner. This doesn't end with like his, his wife dying or anything, does it? Okay. This woman is portrayed as his girlfriend out of a wife. So that may have happened previously. This is the lonely man theme, as composed by Joe Hart now is a Grammy winning composer for many, many years. This is a weird thing. I don't know if it's true, but it's bizarre enough that I felt I should mention it. This to TV movie takes place on earth 400,005 version of the Marvel Universe. Oh, okay, so now part one of the 616 universe. Okay, get lower nerds. I'd love to see who came up with that. If they actually did that, or they just pounded on a keyboard. If they ever do a multiverse of hawks, that would be pretty special on you this this verse. Yeah, this was Thor's live action debut. I would say it was relatively unsuccessful, not because of the guy playing him, because he's actually fun. But it just it like you said it doesn't look like Thor, Lou Ferrigno or a new wig for this one. Yay. Ice washed out. Well, they did that because this hearing problems have gotten worse. And they wanted to the new week to better hide his hearing aids. Carl, sir for a little while you say that last name? Who played one of the characters would go on to be the first actor to play Ben Grimm in the unreleased Fantastic Four movie ah which I did consider doing because that is I haven't seen it I've you still haven't seen it? Great making of stuff on the projection booth and stuff. And in the grand tradition of what Kelly started doing I thought I'd do a couple very brief reviews. Oh cool. This one from Daniel ah the DVD jacket looks like it was in a flood or beer was spilled on it that's right one star and Tina am also one star not exactly what I was looking for. Wrong Hawk all caps that was the Incredible Hulk returns and it was fun. A lot of fun episode this I kind of want to watch that incredible hopefully now. I believe there it is your Oh yes it is so in the grand tradition of doing movies about random and weird shit that happened it happens in a movie somebody's in raw popped into my head and the absolutely insane party scenes that happened in that movie. And let's do a party scene movie something kind of crazy like Freddy to or raw or any of those where it's it's not just a little get together but it's something goofy and over the top is happening. There has to be kind of like a part of the plot. Not just released a kill kind of heavy kill moment if it's a horror film or Yeah, man, I can't believe I blew my party load on what was that monkey movie with Primal Rage. Yeah, that was a party you guys might just get part two of my primal rage. That means this is the part where we thank everybody for participating in the value for value model. I cannot thank you enough for liking and sharing posts. leaving reviews. That's always welcome. Thank you very much for that. 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