185 THE DOCTOR IS IN!
We're all pretty sure that Kelly was scammed... We just don't understand the scam. Also, Vanessa really hates the new Thor movie. Also discussed: Strange New Worlds, RRR, Beowulf.
sorry did I break your concentration somewhere between science and superstition sites to show you strange aeons. Welcome strange aeons radio sitting directly across is Eric Walker. Hello. He's here in person squeak sitting right next to me is Vanessa. Hi, I'm also in person, but I'm not sick. I'm Kelly. Well, we are hopeful that Eric is no longer on he's, he's tested. Negative. Yeah. And I could have told you already that he's always been negative as long as oh my god, like everything. Awful. Man, I had a weird thing happened to me on the way home and a Russian home. listener, we're recording this on a weekday instead of a regular Sunday. So I have a day job and I was rushing home to get here. And as I pulled off of my off ramp, my exit, there was a nice, newer vehicle off to the side. And a man standing by it waving, trying to get somebody to stop and I was just like, alright, so I pull over really quickly. He comes walking up to the window, and he gives me the puts his hands together. And he kind of nods to me. And he says Thank you, my friend. Thank you. I am not here for regular I am vacation. This is not my homeland. I said what do you need? He said, I need gas. Oh, I need gasoline. And I was like, Okay, do you have a cat or something you use? Like, I give you my ring. And he pulled this gold ring off. And I'm making up this and I'm like, I'm not going to take your ring. Because I just need the gasoline. Like Well, do you have a cat or something? How are you going to get the gasoline? And he's he starts then handing me this gold chain. Oh my god, I gotta give you this gold chain. I need gas to get to Canada. And oh my god, at this point. I'm like, listen, I do not have time for this. I got a podcast I have to get through also, every time I've tried to be a good Samaritan hit me in the ass. So I had for whatever reason, I had a 20 on me. I never carry cash. And I said, Look, man, I got 20 bucks. You know, you can have this and good luck, but I really don't have time for this. He was like, Thank you, my friend. Thank you. And then I also have Q tips in my car and he saw them and he's may I have three of those. Oh my god. It was like, yeah, yeah, go wild. And then. And then he, he God bless and I left. Now the more I think about it, you know, I'm pretty pessimistic. And I don't. I don't generally give money out to the homeless people because I know where that money is going. All of that stuff. And I started thinking about this. I was like, I'm sure I have been scammed. But I don't understand this scam when you've got a nice car. And he was trying to give you cold. Well, yes, but who knows what this really was? Of course, yeah. But on top of it. That off ramp is oh, I don't know, one mile away from a gas station. Like what? Why didn't you just start hoping it buddy. He probably doesn't know if he's not from here. Well, in his story, he pulled over downtown Everett Diaby, I guess, I guess even I would have been able to go well, somewhere around here is a gas station. Like a four lane giant inside the city road. Gas on it. So I don't know what it all meant. I may have just given $20 to very sophisticated drug user. I don't know that sounds so weird. That I feel like it's not a scam because it's just too weird. That's how I felt also, but I can't explain why he wouldn't just walk to get the guests that he needed. I can only think he was really confused. I had literally no idea where he was and how the system worked. Like I think about all the times I've been in a foreign country and I'm like, How do I get to point B in history? Yeah. And people are like, oh, there's like a subway literally two feet from you and going. I didn't want to go in the hole in the ground because I didn't know where it would take. I can't read the sign. I think that is a legitimate fear. Like I just seen I wonder if you're driving around another country and I don't know. I don't I really don't know. But that's very strange. Yeah, it's why I don't generally stop and uh, you know, and the thing was, I wasn't going to say hey, hop into my vehicle and I'll take you to get gas because I still put be pessimistic about anything like that. Yeah, but I don't Yeah, I don't know. Very strange. Very, very weird. I was like, does he want you to like, suck gas out of your car? into his car? I wasn't sure where that was gonna go No. Why? It's not like that guy's you know what it was was I gave him I gave him a 20 That's my good deed. Yeah. Your will see, value value for value is what I say. What's the value of the story? I guess is what? Well, I also gave you the money so he Oh, as he was walking away he was you know, reaming out his ear. Oh, she's immediately wow, I just don't understand. That's the That's the line I would never cross like it's one thing to be on the side of the road asking somebody for help and money and gas. But to take their cue tips there's like a level of security in yourself that I do not possess. Speaking of value for value, you guys I was assigned to film Miko was nice enough to throw some money our way and then asked if I would give my thoughts on a little film called Beowulf from 1999. That's right. I forgot that this was assigned to yeah, this was directed by Graham Baker who directed Alien Nation a movie I love. And the final conflict another movie I love. The writers were a couple of guys who never really went on to anything else of note. I think one of them wrote a Masters of the Universe episode. And the other one was a producer on that really horrible Dungeons and Dragons movie. And that was all they've done. This movie you guys stars. Christopher lamb bear as Billy Idol. Okay, he's got short white hair. Okay, this decked out all in leather. It also has Rhona Mitra, in you familiar with her very pretty. Although she shows a credit with her spectacular cleavage, which is on display the entire film. I mean, it is the story of Beowulf. You gotta be on brand for this runner, I say thank you for your cervix. So it is based on the eighth century Saxon poem about the knight who battles an evil demon and its mother in a medieval castle. However, this movie is set in a a post apocalyptic future. Okay, I, alright, connecting the dots, I think have caught it. I'll tell you something, it kinda actually works. Okay, I thought that it really were worked with a few more bucks and better actors. But one of the things I dug up is that the producers promised a budget of $25 million. Well, but they made the film for $3.5 million to Christopher Lambert, and the film grossed $103,000. Anyway, let me tell you about this. So Billy Idol is Beowulf. And he wanders this world kind of like a Mad Max type character. So this is kind of like a Mad Max feel, except there are no cars. Okay? But everybody's got the same costumer for sure. And they're in kind of this. This Think of what it what the rest of the world must look like in the Mad Max time, like what would London or or Europe look like in their forests and stuff. If it wasn't just a desert, then you would have this kind of thing going on. And I was, I was kind of just kind of digging on it. Yeah. There is a Grendel monster. It is a man in a rubber suit. Beautiful and to try to hide that they have this really bad video effect that kind of shimmers over him so we can't quite see him. And I think they're trying to tell you that like your eyes cannot comprehend the evil of Grendel is a really bad effect. And you can see through that it is also a really bad soup. But the real problem of this movie is all he had to do was light it differently, and it probably would have been fine. This movie is lit so brightly. And the sets are really cool and everything except they absolutely look like sets. It's like they worked really hard on them. And they were like I am not not showing every detail in this set. Because it's I mean, you just can see everything is the problem. Weird. Yeah. There are a lot of clunky sword fights. They're pretty enjoyable because Beowulf is like Batman. He has a gadget for every problem. So it's kind of fun to watch him whip something else. out that suddenly goes he's got a chain on it or something that takes him away. I like that a lot. He is also a world class, aerial summer Psalter. The future it's the future. Every fight includes at least one and as many as six aerial flips. I would normally not bring this up. But I want my kid to know that I watched the entire film. Not mentioning the somersaults would be a dead giveaway that I had not watched. I have one little bit of trivia on this Christopher lamb bear Eric, he passed on the opportunity to return as Raiden in that second Mortal Kombat movie, so he could be Beowulf. Wow, unreal. Honestly, it's a wash. Yeah, this movie is actually way better than that Mortal Kombat Annihilation. And I'll also say this, I don't think this is the worst version of Beowulf. I really hate that Robert Zemeckis cgi movie. Oh, I don't think I ended up seeing it. It's so hard to watch. It's a waste of time. Yeah, most. Yeah, a lot of people like that. And I just, I just couldn't get into it. This was actually kind of fun. I don't remember I didn't look up the Rotten Tomatoes, or I didn't read it down. It's probably got like a 30% or something like that. Within the realm of possibility that was just, you know, it's one of those kind of annoying movies that you're like, Oh, almost good. Ah, that's the hardest. Yeah. When you're like, if only you would just yeah, like lit it a little different. Yeah. How to different DP. And I don't know if mica Gnosis. I probably said this before, but I am. I had a big man crush on Christopher Lambert, after Highlander, and Greystoke I just fell in love with this weirdo actor. And I think that I may have seen this when it came out. But it did not leave much of an impression. And so Micah, thank you for bringing this back to my attention. I will not be watching it again. But a chance to give it a read. I can tell you I can confirm that he very much knew of your love. Oh, that was exactly why he chose us for you. Well, that's nice. If you guys feel like throwing money away and requesting us for one of us, or all of us to watch a movie, it is as easy as that. Go into our website and buy us a pizza or something. Even your mom can ask us to watch a movie or a series. Don't Don't let my mom know that though. Cuz that's gonna get bad. Yes, so I mentioned something I saw this week. Okay. I mean, I just don't know if we have room in the show. Room for our use of the week. So I saw a movie in the theater. Oh, I'm so i decided i i went ahead and rushed my way out. So I didn't get any spoilers for Thor love and thunder. Okay. Have you guys seen it? Or do you plan on seeing it? I plan on seeing it. Yeah, I'm not gonna rush out. You don't? You know, look. It was God awful. Wow. I've heard I've heard bad things overall about it. i Well, yeah, I want to say I'm not gonna do any kind of spoilers for it. What I would say is the reason for me it wasn't working is because there isn't a lot of breathing room and it's very whiplash II in tone. So you start on something very tragic. And then one second later, you are in a huge over the top comedy moment. And it just never really jives. And because of the pace you feel like things happen, and no one cares. No one cares that those things are happening. random stuff is made up that wasn't there before. And other things are forgotten within the space of the movie. So there was just a lot of things that fell like just significantly off to me that that isn't to say it doesn't have fun moments in it. There are definitely fun moments and other cool things going on within it. But if I have to hear those fucking goats one more time, I will bulking murder somebody. It was just like too much. It's like five times, five fucking times they make the same joke anyway, so that is the only thing I'm going to spoilery about that. It just for me, it just was not working. I know a couple of people thought it was good, but those people also enjoy comedy. So I was about to ask that is part of it. But I'm a huge fan of Taika Waititi Yeah. Oh Ragnarok I did okay. Yeah, I like that I've I've watched I think all of his other movies including Eagle versus shark, so like, I'm a fan of his I just this this one didn't do it for I don't think I don't think he landed this movie. Oh, well. I will be seeing this because I don't watch a Thor movie for take. I watch it for Chris Hemsworth you know what, bear out here there's a lot of Chris Hemsworth on this trailer alone shows you there's a lot of Chris Hemsworth being canceled in some in some countries because there's so much because that's ridiculous. The they feel it's too gay. I've heard that which is an unbelievably dumb. The moment the moments of gay in this are untied. They're vastly under under the amount underwhelming for actual gay culture. Sure. It's the usual stuff. He always tried to say his name. He said something about this is the Gay is movie I've ever made or something like that. So I'm sure it's the countries that are banning it probably haven't even seen it probably. Oh, right. Yeah. There's there's a thing in it. That's very close to a plotline in the or Orville show. And that's probably the thing that they're Yeah, it's nothing though. It's literally nothing. So I, I would just be, you'd really have to dig in. It's definitely less gay than probably even the most recent Spider Man movie. It's like it's so non gay. It's like, okay, like there's that thing in the trailer where he stares at Chris Pratt for like two seconds, which is made way more gay in the trailer than it is in the film. And then there's like one other thing. And that's it. I completely forgot that the guardians were also in this is this. Are they only in this for a brief moment or in this as long as it takes for tyka to write them out? Hmm, yes. Okay. He was like, Oh, I'm stuck with this. Let's see how I can get my way out of this and get to the story I want. So that's, I mean, there's a point where I was like, was Gomorrah in this film, like, everyone is there but it's so brief. You're like why did they even get your costumes out of the closet for wow this is ridiculous. All righty then so if you wanted to Guardians movie this is not for you. Well, James Gunn has one comment so you're exactly just wait hold on I on the other hand, watch something actually both of things I watched them talking about this week I absolutely loved you are so dead on correct about our our our holy shit. That was directed by the same guy who did the Bahu Bali movie I talked about one way over the top kind of film. Yeah, but this one probably takes it more so. And oh, you want man on man relationships this movies? That? That is some man love. If I've never seen so such good bromance in my life. The motorcycle and horse scene. Oh my god. It was fucking amazing. It is everything I wish a lot of film people would get over about. I like realism in my movies. You know, people don't talk real. It's not a good movie. Fuck that. This is the kind of movie that is fun to watch. Nothing. Nothing about. realistic, but it is so damn cool. I don't care. Like injects you with joy. Yes, this film just makes you feel so good. Like it is the most feel good movie I think I've ever encountered the dude coming through the barrier with the animals. Oh, and all that stuff. Like, oh my god. What the hell is going on here? It's so funny because there's just so many spectacular moments like that too. Like that. It you think you've gotten to the height of what you can see with your eyeballs? And then they're like, no, no. We're at the intermission. You have another hour and a half to go. Have even more crazy. So. Yeah. Hi. I'm so glad you saw it. Did you watch it on Netflix? Or how did you? Yeah, again, you're right. That would have been an amazing theatrical film experience. Because big, big big movie. I mean, would have been an incredible experience to watch with like in Indian cinema. Oh, man. Yeah. Like people watched the trailer and memorized there's a dance scene in the film. And they memorize the dance or at least one of the dances and people would get up and do the dance along with the dancers in the theater in India, which I think is so Exactly. The party. Okay. For Kelly, no, I'm, I've forgot about this movie. I'll have to check it out. Yeah, definitely you need to have you should watch the the Bahu body moves. I will. I will. How about you another thing you've watched this week that yeah, something we've all watched and we probably should have discussed last week. Oh was the finale of strange, strange new worlds? Yeah. Which I enjoyed very much. Yeah. And I will say this. So after that I decided I had to go back and watch the original Star Trek episode balance of terror. This is a version of Yeah, I need to do that. It's not a very good episode. But it made me really dislike our new Captain Kirk. Strange. That's fair. He's he's getting a lot of backlash. Oh, wow. Even if they could have got his hair a little closer to what was doing at the time. He just even a little lighter blonder or something. It was really dark. I thought it was very dark compared to William Shatner's, but also chateau. No, he filled out his suit. Yeah, so I was gonna say he's really scrawl Yes. Yes. It's not like this is five years before he's captaining he's supposed to be he's supposed to be this Captain Kirk. Yeah. So I don't know how I feel about that. And I'm really bummed because I read that. You know, second season. He's a regular on the show now. And I was like, you know, I don't need to know any more about Captain Kirk. But I really love Captain Pike. And this crew and I don't think you need Kirk to bring in more viewers or anything. It's kind of amazing. Because they nailed Spock. They got spot. Oh, right. Yeah, even the horror is on even though she's incredibly different from the end character. She feels right. He is like, Wow, man. You guys missed. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Sometimes. II know. I don't know. I'm really sad to hear that he comes back because I was like, Oh, it's just gonna be a one off little. That's what I was. But I will say it's kind of interesting. And we're getting in spoiler territory here. But the the risks they're taking as far as the people they've been getting rid of, like, I'm really heartbroken about the engineer. Oh, yeah. And I don't and I guess this means they can maybe get Scotty or a version of Scotty now, but I'm really sad about it. Well, we heard somebody's voice. It sounded very Scottish shirt. It just they had, I guess they were talking, you know, an interview with that actor. And he said, he said, they came to me with this character. And I knew from accepting the job that I don't survive the season. That sucks. He's such a good character. Makes sense, though. Because timeline wise and everything you need? Yeah. If this is up to a timeline where Kirk should be doing enterprise? Yeah, you got a whole bunch of? Well, except that we know that. This is 10 years before Kirk takes over the enterprise. So it's like why are we 10 years of Kurth before? Yeah, it's I don't know. The The other thing is, it just shocks me every time the credits come up. Akiva Goldsmith is the creator of this show. And he is sometimes one of the writers on it. And this is the guy that made that the Dark Tower movie Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. So he learned something about adaptation from that video. The guy is 68 years old or something. He's been working in Hollywood Forever, mostly on real trash. And so it always angers me when somebody like that does something I like because I've spent a long time hating this person for ruining other things. Yeah. And now I'm just like, well, you know what the problem is, I know what you're capable of. And I'm afraid you're gonna do it to this show. Yeah, I think that's fair. I do know that. across the different episodes, there have been different, like sci fi writers like book writers and stuff and they do seem to have a pretty strong team of my worry is that people are going to realize, Oh, hey, this series is doing well. So let's get some real heavy hitters on and put the trash people that they've had on like the card or something onto this. That is my biggest fear. Do not do not ruin the show for me, CBS I will murder you or whoever you are paramount. Yeah, I'm right there with you. It's been it's been I don't know how many years since I've watched an entire season of a Star Trek show. And I don't want them to ruin this one. There's been at least two episodes. I'm kind of like what go on there. All right. Well, we'll see and by the end like, I was great. I disliked the the penultimate episode with the story book. was so silly, but fun. hated it. Oh, really. It reminded me a lot of like the next gen episode where they do the Robin Hood. I'm not talking about Right. It's just like my that is where my brain went. So I didn't I was fine. Everybody looks like they're having a ball. So that was fine with me. Yeah. And it kind of reminded me of the stupid episodes from the original series where they would do shit like that. Abraham Lincoln shows up for unknown reasons. Just like I don't need this, but I'm glad you guys got something. Yeah, yeah, I I've heard other people hating certain episodes that I thought were really fun. So I enjoyed the Gorn episodes. Oh, I did too. Yeah, I thought it was. Um, well, speaking of watching the end of a show, something else just wrapped up, which was Ms. Marvel. Oh, yes. Yeah, that one. I am behind on that one. But please discuss. Um, I thought they actually ended up bringing it to a really fun place in the end there was I had a lot of I wasn't feeling it when they went overseas. Yeah, there was a lot of plot getting squeezed into a very strange amount of time, but I was like, we don't and the bad guys were like nothing and really shallow and, and this huge big event is gonna get wrapped up like bam. Yeah, I know. It was like, oh, yeah, and also nevermind, don't worry moving on. I was like, why is this even a plot point at all? Okay, so there was a few like little wishy washy strange things going along, but I really really loved the final episode and I think that it brought it back to the strongest part of it where it's very character driven and it's very, she is a good guy doing good things she's not she doesn't want anybody to get hurt whether or not they are trying to hurt her and I that's that's so beautiful and heroic and lovely. And it's fun. I enjoy it. It's very nice. Very nice. On a scary note on that speaking of Marvel shows, low night eight Emmy nominations there's no right there's no there's no wonder we don't pay any attention to Emmys around on this show. I mean Emmys they give a zillion Emmys out like I know people with like multiple Emmys and I'm like how did what okay for me that's great we're gonna even referenced in me and my choice I guarantee you I mean, did you see what the Emmys are for? None of them are for best script acting or directing? I guarantee you I would be surprised they're not their costumes or something like that. Yes, X million that one might be at a moment or two. All right. Some good reflection stuff going on in there. Well and they worked pretty hard on that. Yeah. On the other side of the coin, they spectacular over the top ridiculous of our our our the absolute wonderful grounded realism of the Hulu show series the bear. Somebody just recommended this to me a client was just telling me about this Holy shit. It is so good. It is. What was the that jewelry heist movie A little while ago with Adam Sandler that ever was talking about gangs and stuff? Something jam? Yeah. Apparently whoever put this together sort of use that as an inspiration, or at least as a kickoff point. And watching the first episode, I'm blown away. Oh, man is this? This might be a lot. But no, it is. But it is so well done. I know nothing about this. What is this is a story of a couple of brothers one owned a, like a beef sandwich shop in Chicago, which is actually based on a real shopping Chicago apparently. And the other guy became a super high level worked in one of the best restaurants in the world chef in New York, the guy who ran the beef shop killed himself. So his brother comes back to take over the sandwich shop. And him is basically a story of him trying to figure out how to run this shop how to deal with the people that have worked there for like, seemingly decades in some cases, and is over the top asshole cousin, who's also worked there, we've got to figure out how to deal with him. And the real smart woman he hires who's trying to help them do stuff better. And it's, and I've seen article after article talking to people in restaurants going, it's pretty accurate, when it can be like to work in a small high energy, especially family owned restaurant. And the acting is spectacular. The story The writing is great. There's not a there's not really a wasted character. Everybody's got a point and a reason and even if that point is to just show up occasionally, because that's the job they have. So they're not in the front of things. So they only show up a little bit. But do watch the first episode, correct? Well, maybe. And I think I remember Saturday, Sunday, we're like, well, let's check out another one. And it's eight episodes. Most are about half an hour. aren't watching all the rest of the Wow. And do just spectacular like I say in the kind of the opposite of Triple R this one feels very real, incredibly well written and really, really interesting. So if that subject sounds appealing, or just the intensity of making shit work is this place at all so highly? Highly recommended? I didn't hear a word you said because I am so mesmerized by your new whiskey voice this one for a while just keep you a little sick all the time. Feeling a little better. Oh that support doorknob well cool Why don't we take a little break and then we come back and we are talking the doctor that's fine. Hang in that big old TV with just a little lean you deserve a delicious Dr Pepper I do maybe you got the kids to school but as 20 minutes late Parenting is hard to join great values that exercise bike as a place to hang the sweater for did you put a positive that's a few layers maybe there's nothing better you probably done something perfect streaming packets when you're brand new Smart TV even saved a couple bucks actually we're losing money that's okay so done almost one design and we're back guys, this was my sub genre pick and the idea being there's this trope in mostly genre films where the there is a doctor trying to help our person out with whatever weird or supernatural thing is going on. They usually end up dying a horrible death and I thought it was time that we we saluted those people also, I wanted to talk about this movie and I was trying to figure out what I compare from it to make you guys find something halfway decent so I could talk about this awesome so this movie that I'm talking about is from 1982 and it is called the sender your safe psychiatrists Tell me what happened 10 years ago bad feeling about this one what do you do? What are you afraid and go in there? Is become your reality coming soon. From Paramount Pictures. I do not know this nor do either. Okay. budget of about a million dollars. box office of about a million dollars and that that comes down. There was no budget information. I was able to do the math and my trivia so nice, Rotten Tomatoes critics I could find no information on that the audience has it as 17% and I want to throttle each and every one of those people. Oh, I didn't see this movie until this year when I was sick with COVID and I watched roughly 1000 films. This was one of them and I was just blown away by how much I loved it. It was directed by Roger Christian who directed Battlefield Earth. Oh, Joseph and Mary prisoners of the sun and written by Thomas Baum, who has written a ton of television including episodes of war the world's the hitchhiker nightmare cafe, genre stuff that we all like. Starting. I'm going to try this zealous go Zeljko Ivanek. Evonik Zeljko 111 credits tons of TV and Hannibal and you would recognize this guy if you saw him he's, he's that guy in a bunch of movie. So he was in Hannibal. He was in Black Hawk Down The Bourne Legacy and Argo. Also stars Catherine Harold. She's got 50 credits, mostly television, but she was also in the movies Nightwing Modern Romance and Rod deal. Remember, these people are all going to be showing up in early 80s movies. Paul Freeman has 134 credits like dogs of war Hot Fuzz Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, but it's probably best known as Bullock from Raiders of Lost Ark. And surely knight who has 178 credits. Endless Love as good as it gets. And Paul Blart Mall Cop one and two. Oh, god. Okay, so this movie is cool. It starts with this, this young man, he's kind of awakened from a trance or something and he's on the side of a road with traffic whizzing past him and everything. And he's just got a weird look at him. He looks like let's see Zeljko, he looks like kind of a hardened Mark Hamill can a kind of that look, but like he's had a rough couple of years. So what he does is he walks across that street, right to this beach, and there's a lake there. And there's people sunbathing and all that stuff, and he starts picking up these big rocks, and he starts putting them in the pockets of his jacket, oh, no X and everything. And he just starts walking into the lake. People are like swimming past him and stuff like this. And he's just getting lower and lower. And finally a couple of them notice what's going on because he he hits a hit hold the water up to his head. And then he just continues down. And a couple of people start running in and they grab him. He is pulled out and he is taken to a nearby Mental Hospital is then told that he has, well we find out that he has retro get retrograde amnesia, which means that you, you lose your, your it's this thing that happens over a period of time. So you lose like immediate stuff first, but then as it goes on, you will just continue losing until you are you know your only memories or your earliest memories. Wow. It's a creepy real thing. Oh, so he's unable to remember his name, or the details of his personal life. But he does think that he lives in a house within several miles there. And they asked about his parents and he says something weird about like he has no father to speak of, but doesn't say anything about his mother. He's got no ID on him or anything like that. So they designate him John Doe number 83. And he is placed under the care of a psychiatrist Dr. Gail farmer, she is the good doctor in this. There are a number of doctors in this flicked. But she seems to be the only one with any kind of sympathy for the patients there. So almost immediately, he makes an enemy of a fellow patient nicknamed the Messiah, who the Messiah starts screaming about how John Doe wants to behead him. And it's just a bizarre thing that he's doing, you know, or is it so, we cut them to at her home, the doctor, it's late at night, she's asleep. And she hears a window being broken downstairs. So she like she grabs her phone and she starts creeping down there. And she's called the police and she's whispering to them, she turns the corner and she sees this John Doe guy is in her house. He has broken a windowpane on her door and reached in and unlatch the door. And so she's telling the police there is a man in my house. I know who this man is he is escaped from the mental facility and all this stuff. And so as she's watching he takes a necklace from like her nightstand steals this necklace. And then then she loses sight of him and the cops show up of course right after that. And no evidence of a break in the window she saw broken is hole. Hmm. And she's telling the cops while he's still my necklace and she goes to wear a necklace was and it's right there. Oh creepy. So she calls the hospital and says You check on John Doe number 83. For me, guys like, all right, sleeping soundly in his bed. She's like, okay, she probably too quickly starts to suspect there's something more than me. See, I think that in the case of anybody, if you're a logical person, you don't jump to a supernatural explanation no matter what you've seen. Yeah. But she pretty quickly starts to think that there's something weird going on, but but she's also starting to see weird things and it's correlating only with his sleep periods. Oh, she will have a weird vision of something happening and she starts putting it together. So she makes the mistake of telling her boss who is kind of an asshole doctor, that John maybe has some form of telepathy, where he sends the center where he sends his dreams into the minds of other people. And they, they're able to experience this kind of semi corporeal hallucination. It's super lifelike, and it's almost touchable. Like, there's a there's a fragility to the hallucination, but it's definitely physically there. It's really, really interesting. Her boss, though, he's already angry that she seems to be getting too close to a patient and without her knowing, intends to start electroshock therapy on him. How do you think that's gonna turn out? Yes. Really good. Well, we'll be over. You guys would be very surprised with his movie. So meanwhile, Gail, the doctor is starting to have this mysterious visitor at the hospital, she sees this older lady kind of standing around and she starts getting suspicious of her. Every time she tries to talk to her, the lady disappears, she's unable to find her. But she does, then corner her, and they have a discussion. And it seems pretty clear that this woman is John's mother. And she does tell her that she must release John for everyone's well being. And the doctors like hang on just a second do not go anywhere. And she goes to get something and she comes back, the lady's gone. So anyway, John has been wheeled in for electroshock therapy. And this is really the showcase of the film, the entire reason to watch this movie is for the scene that is coming up. He is, you know, strapped to a gurney type thing. And he's got this stuff on his head and everything. And he is not happy about this. As you can imagine, and as soon as they throw the switch, he unconsciously sends this violent and destructive hallucinations toward everyone in the hospital, staff, patients, everyone suddenly has this horrible thing. And it is shot. So cool. It's almost like matrix bullet time, but 17 years earlier, and it's this weird, super slow motion stuff. So you can tell that this is all happening in an instant. And everybody's seeing like their worst thing. In fact, the Messiah sees John coming towards him to behead him. Ah, Gail, she's, she's been thinking that he can do this anyway. So as soon as this thing hits, she kind of realizes what's going on. And she starts running down the hall to try to get to the place to the room that they're in. My jaw is literally hanging open during this scene. I was just like, Wow, holy shit, this is amazing. She rushes in and she's able to get close enough to him because everything in the room was just exploding outward. The glasses exploding papers are flying everywhere. And she she removes the electrodes and then suddenly everything goes back to normal. It doesn't like I didn't like drop or anything. It's suddenly not that explosion that you just saw. Oh, wow. However, there is one person without a head in the hospital now. Oh, oh, so yeah, so there's, there's stuff going on. It's it's an it's a super cool shot of everyone has all of this happened like within the course of maybe 10 seconds or something? And then it all just goes back to normal. And so everyone in the hospitals kind of like, what did something just happened? And then everything looks normal. But they are all just you know, like, completely shell shocked rock. But her boss who didn't believe her bullshit about his telepathy. He's like, You know what? I think you're onto something. He can he begins this intensive study of John. Meanwhile, gay Gail is continuing to see these other cryptic visions that he's sending, including one in which he is lying dead with His body covered in rats. So she started to put stuff together, she started to put stuff together from the woman who was talking to her and all this stuff. And she thinks that the visions are memories of his recent past that he can, you know, remember, repressed into into his subconscious. And after John tells her that his mother used to lock him up in the house, she theorizes that his mother who believes her son was a virgin, miraculous birth. She kept him trapped inside her house for his entire life. The guy is like 25 years old guys, and then eventually tried to kill him with carbon monoxide poisoning when she thought that he was going to leave her. Oh, yeah, so we're getting into the third act here. And I really don't want to spoil it because it's got some really nice revelations and a couple of twists that I was like, Oh, that's nice. That's a good one. But I will just say that his powers growing, he can't control it. And he is starting to unconsciously send visions even while he is awake now. So I really, really fucking love this movie. I remember seeing the VHS cover in the 80s. And I always pass by it because literally nobody ever said a word about it. It's not like they talked about it and Fangoria or anything like that. And I wish that I had been adventurous enough to pick this up and love it as a kid. Because I was just angry at myself for waiting this long to see some trivia. The writer Baum, he based his story on his own experiences growing up with an agoraphobic and overly protective mother how good God Yes. Oh, poor guy. This one's a little complicated. The strip first purchase by 20th Century Fox who were hoping for a quasi follow up to Brian De Palma's the theory, which was a box office hit about another youth with psychic powers and everything but production floundered and was dumped before it got off the ground. It was almost immediately picked up by Paramount Pictures who after Friday, the 13th and My Bloody Valentine were looking for something else to tap the lucrative slasher film market. However, Director Rajat Christian didn't approach the center as a slasher horror in the slightest, remarking that he wanted to make a film that was more Bergman than carpenter. And I think he really did this. I think this would be an A 24 film, or at least be considered quiet horror. Wow. That this was very strange. You can tell that this movie is British exteriors were filmed in Georgia in the US. Okay. Well, interiors were filmed at Shepperton Studios in Surrey. And I was like, why was it so important for them to make it feel like it was in the States because you can tell. Due to Paramount Pictures lukewarm reception toward the film's initial cut, and poor test screenings, the film was only given a limited release theatrically by Paramount Pictures. It grossed 1054. it gross $1,054,328 at the box office, less than its initial production budget. However, one of Christians foreign agents had been touting the film and it was selected to open for the Avoriaz Fantastic Film Festival in Avoriaz. France. Probably not around anymore, I guess. But it was well received by the audience there and then championed by George Miller, Director beadlocks Wow. That was when Paramount gave it a an actual release was after George Miller said come on you guys sitting on a blockbuster here. We're not can't be right all the time. Finally, just thought this was an odd piece of trivia. This is Quentin Tarantino is favorite horror movie of 1982. Wow. Okay, well, that seems specific, but he needed to pretty banner year for horror films. So I don't know the center. I had to buy this. But I think it's very well worth buying. Nice. Yeah, but your description. Same thing, and I'd have I would have loved that as a team. That was right up my horror alley as far as them. Got it. Gotta watch this one. Yeah, that sounds so fun. So fun. Well, I will have to try and get that done. Well, so at first, I was really excited about this topic, Kelly. I was like, Man, that sounds awesome. And so I came up with this huge spreadsheet of like, all these incredible Doctor films. And then I reread your message and I was like, Oh, good, doctor. Okay. Oh, yes. And then no Have refilm on that list got knocked off. And then I tried to Google to find my way don't answer because if you don't just have one it's a really tough thing to figure in. There's 100 lists about evil doctors and even when you specify good doctor does not work had the exact same problem I'm like, No, I said good. Yeah, exactly like not evil. Good. was so frustrating. And then I was trying to look up evil doctors where there's a good doctor that well you'd see a doctor and then I was like, kept finding nurses. And so this was a hard one for me and so I don't know if my film stretches the bounds a little bit because it's kind of starring the main it's the main characters that anyway so I went with killing of a sacred deer we we don't have to worry about nothing because we got the fire and we're burning one day they're gonna seriously mad I'm really sorry about something serious no it is like we're this does or the human race human race they don't know how did his father died surgeon never gives a patient an anesthesiologist control a patient but a surgeon because we get them to be able to get us to where she wants to do to her don't understand why I should have to pay the price that my my children should have to pay a price for gas the only thing I can think of as close to just so they can put it out of either Oh my Yeah, I have not seen this. Okay. Very curious to hear your take on this film. Yeah, so um, yeah, I've seen the poster for a long time and it was one of those that I had been meaning to watch just for years and years and so it was a great opportunity to go and knock that out of the ballpark. Because it was between this and a Russian movie that the trailer did not look very good. So the Rotten Tomatoes score is 80% from critics and 63% from audience which makes sense it is actually in a 24 movie so fills that that little corner box, the budget and box office I could not find a budget and I have that paid version of IMDb did not matter does not have it on there. box office was 7 million Somewhere I read that it had like a it had a pot net positive of like 2 million so maybe it was a 4 million picture. I have no idea. It's impossible to say. The writer and director was Yorgos Lanthimos. He is a Greek director. He's done 22 pictures, including the lobster the favorite and Dogtooth before that he did a lot of music videos in Greece. The CO writer on this with him was F FF Themis. Philip floop Yoo hoo, I'm doing my best. Gosh, I'm not pretty good fun. What are you laughing at Margaret? It's the proximity to another word that she has gone to a few names in here that are on the edge of other things. Um, they've done 11 things. I think they work a lot with your ghosts. So Dogtooth lobster, but also things like L Chevalier pity and several short films in most countries most recent years, starring a lot of people that are very familiar, including Colin Farrell as Steven Murphy. He is our good doctor. We have seen him in 64 things at some point or another phone booth Minority Report. Daredevil in Bruges, Fright Night, the lobster all kinds of great stuff. He was in a season of True Detective which I did not realize. And he was in the Batman as penguin. So I always forget. Also co starring with him Nicole Kidman as the wife of the doctor. She's been in 95 things and like 100 of them are incredible. Math. Shut up. She's She broke out in Days of Thunder. She was in Far and away which was the first thing I saw her and Practical Magic Eyes Wide Shut Moulin Rouge, the others called Mountain Aquaman. The North man and recently a lot of mini series on TV So Big Little Lies, which is an ongoing series, also at the end doing nine perfect strangers, and she was the first wife to escape Tom Cruise. She's got that going for, um fabfree Cassidy as Kim Murphy the daughter, she'd been in 21 Things Mr. Selfridge series with sort of where we'd probably have seen her more recently from Tomorrowland. She was a small role in Vox Lux, and she's got four films coming up out of post production. So I think she's about to be a bigger thing than she's been so far. Sonny soldier, Nick as the son, he's been in 15 things but I remember him from the poster of mid 90s, where he plays the kid in mid 90s. It was also in a house with a clock on its walls and Christmas Chronicles prior to Barry Cogan. Now this was a breakout rule roll for Barry. He plays Martin in this kind of the creepy person. He's been in 37 things but he is the guy who was in a Eternals as Juric. We also saw him as unseen Arkin prisoner, aka the Joker in the Batman movie. He's been in Dunkirk, American animals and the Chernobyl TV series. Definitely very, very recognizable face and has become pretty big In very recent years. Bill camp is also in this as Matthew Williams, the any Thiele? And these this all legit. How do you say this? The guy who makes you numb and fall asleep? anesthesiologist. Thank you. I'm just gonna have you said every time he's done in 75 things very recognizable. He was in Birdman compliance, Joker, Queens Gambit. He played the the janitor. Just been in a ton of stuff. And then weirdly, I was like this face of this. Martin's mom is very familiar. And then she turned in just the right light. And I was like that is Alicia Silverstone and it is. Yeah, she's 73 Things started off in Aerosmith. At Aerosmith music videos. Then clueless Batman and Robin blast one pass excess baggage and has actually been working pretty much the whole time since we just have not seen her in much. So yeah, Alicia was in it. This movie is intense. It's an intense film, shocking, an independent, a 24, slow boil, horror thriller. Weird. So we begin with Stephen Murphy, a heart surgeon is just finishing work on a patient. He has a brief boring conversation with his friends. And as these geologists and they talk about watches, Steven says he's grown tired of his watch. Stephen then meets up with a young man named Martin at a local diner, you're not really clear on what their relationship is with each other. It seems like the kid really looks up to Steven. And he gifts him with a watch. That was probably the watch he was wearing a moment ago that he got bored with. He says he picked it out just for him though. So it's hard to say for sure. But it looks like he's really taking this kid under his wing and he pays for his food. He's trying to give him that advice. He's like, Oh, if you're going to start riding a motorcycle, you got to wear a helmet. Okay? Everyone's talking in this really monotone, non emotional voice all the way through. And this is the thing that is a little strange to wrap your head around when the movie begins. But by the end, it just feels normal. But I will say like from the get go, you're like, why is everyone talking like they're at a table reading. So you just kind of have to sit with it. And no one's talking about necessarily anything important and everything they are talking about is a little bit weird. So, for example, we see you shortly after Martin's invited over to Stephens home, and he's talking with his two kids. And they're talking about like puberty and growing arm hair and the daughter's like I just started my period. And it's just like everyone's just saying it like very normal, and it's just very, very odd. So anyway, we also get to have a really fun 16 That's also in that same deadpan manner where the wife, okay, Nicole Kidman, plays along with Stephens fetish where she pretends that she has had anesthesia and she cannot move. And then he does stuff around her. So that's fun. I don't like that being a fetish of an anesthesiologist. Well, he's the surgeon. Oh, still. No, that doesn't help. I'm uncomfortable with this. I was too. I think you're meant to be Yeah, I think that's very much part of the whole thing is like there's this strange thing about not being able to move your body throughout this one. So um, he shares with Anna his wife that Martin's father had died in a car accident 10 years before. And he actually had Martin as a patient for a short time. But it's weird because when he introduces Martin to his anesthesiologist friend, he gives him a different backstory. So Stephen is constantly doing these weird little lies where He's taking information that you've seen in a previous scene and rewrapping it for the next, but it's really subtle, and it doesn't seem like he has ill intention with it. It just seems like he doesn't want to take responsibility or like face something. But since Martin's father has passed, he's been really trying to help this kid out. So as a thank you for inviting him over to his house. Steven asks for sorry, Martin asked Stephen to come to his he wants him to hang out with his his mom, who's now raising him on his own. And while Steven is there, Martin's like, oh, let's put on my favorite movie and Stevens like, I gotta go home to my like wife and kids. He's like, no, no, you gotta watch Groundhog's Day with us for some reason. It's like, okay, cool. And so they start watching it. And he was like, Oh, I'm tired. I'm gonna go to bed. And so Steven, the surgeon is left there with Alicia Silverstone Martin's mother. And she just starts talking about how beautiful His hands are. And then she starts licking his hands. And then she tries to make out with him. And he's like, I'm gonna go goodbye, in a very awkward Irish way. So that's strange. And things are starting to get kind of complex because Martin by Stephen inviting Martin over to his house, like his daughter has developed a crush on Martin and start spending all our time with him. And Martin has been showing up more and more in his life in ways that Stephen is uncomfortable. He's showing up at his work frequently, and he's a very busy surgeon, so you can't hang out with him. And because of this strange interaction with Martin's mom, Martin just determined that they should be together. He says you should be with my mom. It is I'm sure of it. I'm 100%. You've got to hook up with my mom. And I told her it's okay. And Stephens like you know what, let's not hang out. And so Martin starts stalking him and showing up at the car and sitting in the diner and just constantly waiting and calling and really bugging him. So Steven tries to push him away. And of course, that goes swimmingly. So shortly after this, Bob Stevens son, son wakes up and cannot feel his legs. Steven and Anna rush, Bob to the hospital to try and figure out what's going out on but the doctors don't find anything wrong with him whatsoever. Steven even thinks he's faking it. But Brahm Bob promises he honestly isn't. He begins to panic more and more about what could possibly be going on with him. He's kind of dragging him around being like, Okay, stand up, and then the kid just falls over. It's just not going well. In the meantime, Martin says, Hey, why don't you meet me in the cafeteria? I want to talk to you about something and Stephens like, oh, I don't have time for this. And he's like, no, no, you do. So he meets up with him. And Steven says, Hey, so turns out, you were operating on my father, and you're responsible for his death. And that's why I don't have a dad anymore. And so we need to balance this out. And again, all in this very matter of fact, tone, he says, so you have to kill one of your family members. If you do not kill one of your three family members, all of them will die. First, they'll become paralyzed, then they will starve themselves to death, then they will bleed from their eyes. And when they bleed from their eyes, they will only have a few hours left to live. So you'll really have to make a decision at that point. We then see the next scene, Martin is being escorted out of the hospital by security. So But sure enough, these things are starting to come true. Bob will not eat anything. So Steven starts trying to force feed his son. He even does a spinal tap on him tries to figure out what is going on with him and he's just climbing up the walls. And of course, his daughter also suddenly collapses and falls ill she can't feel her legs. Neither the children will eat and it's just like a ticking time bomb for his wife to lose her her ability to stand. So they're doing the best that they can with it. The hospital says look, there's literally nothing wrong with your children. We don't know what's up. You have to take them home. So they take them home. They try to care for them at home. But Stephen is now so desperate that we see he kidnaps Martin and has him tied up in his basement. And he is beating the shit out of this kid as he talked to like his wife and said, I've been threatened with this and it's happening. It does happen eventually. But it's like a really weird moment. It's I can't quite remember exactly when but it takes way too long for him to tell his wife that this is going on. We do know that it does seem that Martin has some kind of control over the situation and is somehow in charge of them feeling the things they're feeling and going through the things they are because we have a scene where he calls the daughter, they're now going out. Maybe kind of it's very weird. He calls the daughter in the hospital room, she's always glued to her phone. And he says, Hey, come to the window and wave. And she's like, Oh, I'll try. And then she just gets up and walks over to the window, waves to him and then goes back to her bed, he leaves and she collapses. So it does seem that he has some weird control over it. And it's somewhere around them that Martin or sorry, Stephen finally tells his wife, and, you know, there's only so much she can do to me, you can't do anything. This guy has got some kind of weird supernatural. Hold on everybody. So Stephens, just like I will just beat Martin to death, and that will be fine. But that doesn't seem to work. And Martin doesn't really seem to care, no matter how hard he gets hit at one point, like a tooth comes out. He's just like, no big deal. And it's clearly not having an effect. The wife gets fed up with Stephen. And lets Martin go. At this point, the film gets very strange. I mean, it's already strange. But the kids and the wife all start to try and impress Stephen and try to become his favorite because they don't want to be the one that's killed. And Stephen has no idea who to pick. He goes to this the kids school and asks the principal, which of the kids is his favorite? And he's like, which one has the best grades? And he's like, Well, your son is really good at math and science. But your daughter wrote this beautiful essay. That was really incredible. So he's like, Yeah, but if you had to choose one, what would it be? Like, you know what I really I just cannot choose. And it's just he's so desperate. It's such a black comic moment, the wife comes up to him. He says, You know, I think you really should choose one of the children because we can always have another. Wow. Yeah, yeah. So I'm not going to spoil how this movie ends. It does get very dark and very funny and very, very strange. It's insane. It's heartbreaking. It's boring. It's funny. I don't know how to describe this movie. It is not a fun watch. And I think that's because So this entire film is based off of a European ease play. If Virginia in all this, I actually studied once upon a time in my life literature, and I took like three classes on Greek lit. And I will say it is a hell definitely has Greek play vibes all the way through the drama, the music, like there's no emotions being given by the people. And it feels like there's that kind of Chorus Line of explaining what's happening constantly. But then the music comes on in and tells you Oh, this is strange. Oh, this is horrible. Horrible. Oh, this is sweet. The music is the one telling you what is happening emotionally through the whole thing. And everything feels so dramatic and like unfair and having to choose impossible choices in these extremes that it definitely replicates that. Um, I didn't mind the flat talking. I will say Nicole Kidman had the hardest time with it because she got the most emotional out of everybody. She just sounded like a normal mom. And I kept being like, Nicole bring it down a bit. I mean, she wasn't doing anything crazy. But she's like, Would you like some food? I was like, Oh, you went way too high on that. Now. You got it. You gotta kill that down a little bit. Um, the inappropriateness of what they're talking about all the time is strange. There's a lot of jerking off throughout the film, which I never super enjoy. Frankly, I don't I guess this is deep for people. I'm a big fan of it myself. But, you know, ever since I saw it, was it happiness or whatever. I cannot. Yeah, that movie ruined it for me. I can't I can't enjoy this in a film. Uh, I don't know that. This had some really crazy scenes that were intense to watch but fascinating. So there's a spaghetti scene that's pretty well known where he's taught he meets up with Martin before Martin goes to school at one point and so for breakfast Martin is having this giant bowl of spaghetti and he's like, twirling it bigger and bigger and bigger on his fork. And as he eats it, the spaghetti sauce is getting like all over his face and that sort of off orangey color. It's not like globs it's like just stains. And it's a really like weird. There's a there's a lot of odd moments of you know, people because they're dragging themselves everywhere. The daughter has really fucked up knees at one point. I don't know this film is emotionally intense. I can't see it ended and I felt like Man, I'm glad I watched that. It just felt like man, I watched that. So that's my, that's my thoughts on this movie. i You got a lot more out of that film that I did, man, I was taking notes. It's if I didn't if I wasn't paying as close attention as I was, I think I would have hated it. I mean, cuz the ice like, well, maybe I've missed something I'm gonna watch the favorite is that to this day, Oscar nominated one God, same ship. Same exact style of dialogue. Yep. Same whole bunch of people not giving a shit about anything that's going on in their life. Like, yeah, you know what, and neither do I. Yeah, I mean, I think in some ways, this is very similar to the lobster, I just said, I'm not even gonna watch a lobster. It's probably the most watchable of the movies, but it's not. It also has a lot of weird Greek feeling to it. Like, obviously, this guy is from Greece, and he's using source material from around his life to inflect into this, you probably have studied the crap out of this stuff over and over again and found interesting ways of inserting it. But I still I tried to watch dog tooth and I failed. So I don't know. I don't think this guy is for me unnecessarily. But that's the a 24 thing. It's like some of this is like, Oh my God, my life has changed. And other stuff is like, what the book and why. So lamb not for me this? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not I'm not. My life isn't worse. I guess. So trivia. Exactly. Fun, fun music at least how they play with that. Trivia is so in the film, it is mentioned that Kim has an a plus for her essay on the play if Signia which is what this whole film was based on. Colin Farrell admitted that he felt nauseous after reading the scripts. The heart surgery scene at the opening of the film was real. It was actually filmed they filmed it during a real operation and of somebody who had a quadruple bypass surgery and Colin Farrell was there in attendance. For some reason. I don't know why because he never wants this actually in a shot of doing it. Like you see the close up of the heart surgery and then you see him as a single taking off gloves and throwing them in the trash. There's no there's nothing more than that something this is a level of commitment to the role that was unnecessary. fabfree Cassidy is actually 10 years younger than Cogan. So Martin and then the surgeon's daughter, 10 year age difference when they were doing romantic scenes. She was 14 and he was 24. When filming, I find that Grifs design of scenes were often drawn from all word hoppers paintings. I don't know who that was. Edward Hopper. Oh, maybe that's what it was. Edward. Yes, my my autocorrect even now would like to fix that for me. Alicia Silverstone and Nicole Kidman both wanted to be part of the project because they they like the director and quote unquote, begged him to cast them. I don't know. I cannot say that that's necessarily true. But one thing was shot in Cincinnati and it premiered and Ken was nominated for the Palme d'Or. And one best screenplay. It also wants it just got your so that's my movie. Can I ask a spoilery? Question? Sure. Is does the kid have powers? I mean, they never tell you. Who knows. Question mark. He's there. And then it does. I mean, yeah, I guess once there is a conclusion that would indicate that the thing he told them was true. Okay. The weird part is you think of the three of us and my like of Tarkovsky and all these. Yeah, we're art wanker films that I enjoy a lot. But this one, just, I the emotional investment the actors put in is what I got out of it. Yeah. And they didn't put anything into the story. I mean, I could imagine reading that script and having a reaction like he did to reading it, because I'm sure you didn't read it like, well, this is an interesting script. I'm going to go forward with the lines and read everything like this. I'm sure he actually read it in his head like, the people going through this shit. We're actually going through this shit. Yeah. Where you're watching the movie going. Nobody here seems to give a shit about what's happening to Oh, no, wait, there's no I guess they sort of gave a shit for a moment. Yeah, it just I don't man. I just got there's a lot of horrible stuff. Favorites. Got a lot of that to where there's a lot of horrible stuff going on. There. Nobody really seems to care. Yeah. Okay. I'm with you. I think that's that director of style. And I Oh, yeah, you're right. It is. It is hard to be the person who cares when it is so flat. It's so flat. Yeah, you have to really put a lot of yourself into it and you don't really want to as an audience member because it's so gross and strange and intense that you don't want to be the person who's like, Yeah, I'm gonna forcefully insert myself into this situation that the actors are not supplying me with. It makes for a very uncomfortable watch, which I think is what he loves to do. Again, which should feed into what? Yeah, I mean, if somebody could this is a real artsy movie, it's gonna disturb the hell. I was like, Oh, really? Let's check it out. Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I just. Yeah, that's weird. Interesting. I'm so glad you saw it. Because it's really great to get your take on it for sure. I would, if I Kellyanne Thank you need to necessarily put this on. Watch the trailer. And you that's that that is the movie as far as the emotional level. It's all right in that trailer. Well, I know that for whatever reason, I was like, not interested. But the story you were telling was, I was like, Oh, I had no idea that had psychic powers and all this right? It but it's I mean, but again, imagine that that's all deadpan and subtle, right? Yeah. So we'll pass Yeah, I mean, by all means, if you like Greek mythology, then it might be interesting. You can kind of try to compare and contrast generally part of when we think you're Greek tragedy is the horrible gut wrenching emotions people are going through you know, like the mother screaming and climbing after her kid gets hit by the telephone pole. You know that think you think Greek tragedy you think oh my god by this is the story is definitely Greek tragedy. Yeah, there's no doubt if people had acted on the level of what is the name of that movie with the telephone pole? If they had Yeah, hereditary if they had acted on that level? It probably might have been a film on that level. But it Yeah, yeah. So well, okay, we'll go with mine then. 1988 The Dreaming an island holds that dark and terrible secrets where you found them as the end of the day and it's been the art of the dead for 1000s of years. I stopped messing around with the bones of my ancestors and that's what and one woman is thrust into a nightmare I know what I saw gosh what is the fine line between nightmares and reality between you people want to believe that data alone it's all part of the Twilight World Gold. That dreaming? It has just begun. anybody hears hold back? No. Okay. That sounds familiar. But that doesn't mean anything. There's an aspect of it you might like a lot or hate a lot. All depends on how you want to look at it. Okay, this is another one from all the haunts be Rs. Be after doing the same thing you did on Google or my, everything I look for. It's giving me evil doctors. I went to my I've put together a list of all the movies I have that I haven't watched with notes saying, Well, this is a subject matter in it. And this one had Doctor next to us. I will check it out. Oh, it's a good backpack. One yatse. So I was like, Oh, watch this one. It's not listed on our rotten tomatoes at all. And I could find so it made 2.2 million in Australia in 1988. So it's directed by Mario, Andrea CIO, who's got 45 crit. 45 directing credits. Most of things you've never heard of, because they're all Australian TV shows. The dragon Pearl elephant tails, Napoleon. And like I said, lots and lots of television. He also is the writer wrote the same things he direct did pretty much also write writing on it was Rob George who wrote the battle of Jericho? Feel it fearless body jackers? Not like your film, I don't think. And Stephanie McCarthy who this is the only things that she's credited as writing, starring Arthur Dignam, who is in Moulin Rouge and ghosts, in all capitals can do it. Ghosts can do it in case you're wondering. And the film I recently talked about the return of Captain invincible, right? Penny cook. She is the lead doctor, young lions and lots and lots of Australian television. And Gary sweet who is in Wolf Creek TV show. What? See, I know I've seen the movie, but I don't know about a TV show version. A door and bitter and twisted. And John noble wins John are not Nobel. But he's French Lord of the Rings. Oh, right. Right. Plenty for the boys, easily recognizable. The movie opens with an incredible helicopter shot. This is interesting, because it's the very low over the water along the cliff, Cliff cliff sides of Australia. And it's moving. Like, wow, this is just an oddly incredibly energetic way to start out a movie. And it has no real bearing necessarily on the film, but it sure makes you stand up and go, Hmm. I'm interested. The story starts with an archeological discovery of a cave with strange art on the walls. I don't know if this is accurate to Aboriginal art in Australia. But you know, on that particular box set, so there's a folk art element to it. Very weird looking cave, I'm pretty sure a large portion of it was a set, because man, those are plastic looking wet rocks. So they're digging in the side. And after a couple little knocks with a tiny little hammer, suddenly the huge cavern breaks up. And there's hundreds of skulls and human remains skeletal remains inside this building. And the one guy reaches in and kind of touches this one bracelet. And it back flashes to American whalers, which you can't necessarily tell that but you know, reading about the threat figure they're there, they look very much like sort of liking us, but not really Viking us The weapons are very unique. So I'm assuming they were authentic to whaling weapons, because they're really horrifying looking. But getting on the bridge, or excuse me on the beach, and wiping out a whole bunch of local folks. And implied of worse things happening. Luckily, it doesn't really go to really horrific scenes, but it's kind of okay, this is not a nice group of people. So the take the as archaeologists will do, they take that particular piece, and they bring it to a museum is the next place you see it. And breaking into their museum is a group of Aboriginal people. And they steal the the one lady steals the bracelet and puts it on. And as she's running out, she is stricken with a massive illness, and is taken to the hospital, enter of the doctor. Ah, so the doctor is treating her and is worried that she'd been beaten by the police as you do a thing. It may be something much stranger. And this is where the movie starts to get a little bizarre and interesting. She's looking at the X ray of the woman's head, and the X ray suddenly starts to move and the skull whips back and forth and around. And she's like what is going on? And looks over at the woman on the table and her heads doing the same thing. So it's kind of like Is this a dream? Is it real? She does end up dying. So something bad's going on. And so the doctor kind of decides well maybe I'll look further into this because what something very weird medically has happened but also she continues to have these dreams moments of weirdness popping up so she's kind of want to find out what's going on. And the whalers keep popping up in dreams of hers and she's, it's hard to tell what's real and what's not for her. She her boyfriend shows up at one time and she freaks out because she's convinced he's already been killed. And he's dead. It's like how can you be coming back to life? I saw you killed. I wasn't. So I'm good. Thanks. The film of time the acting kinda goes over the top, but that's okay. There's a lot of emotion Pre portrayed but it is kind of convoluted, but it's still really interesting. The fluctuates between being a horror film and me being an attempt to tell the terrifying treatment of Aboriginal people in Australia. But they lose that thread pretty quickly because the two characters that have any kind of moment as an Aboriginal character are killed in like, they probably comprise it modern in the modern times, not the flashbacks for scenes. So the woman killed at the beginning that's understandable because it projects the story. But then there's a guy who comes in with like, oh, okay, he's going to stare carry her story for oh, no, no, isn't that the doctor? Like I said, his frequent waking nightmare. The nightmares go from being dreams to where she's actually starting to experience this, as she's wandering around. So she decides she needs to go to an island where this artifact was found, and figure out what's going on. She goes to the city of Innsmouth. Weird, where she never heard of it. But she rents a hotel room there and then a boat to go out to the island. I think it's Kangaroo Island at the real name. And where this stuff actually did happen. For some reason her father lives on this island. There's a moment or two in this turbine. Is her father on the island, or is he near the town she's visiting? I'm not entirely certain but her dad's a dick. So you know, doesn't really matter. So from there, she starts to investigate further and the dreams become more intense. And the separation of reality and stuff begins to build and build and it becomes very hard to tell what's going on. I'll tell you, I enjoy this film. Even more than once a to evil eyes I believe is the real known one from this box. I found this one a little more entertaining than that one even and but it's it's loose on the folk connections like well, we need. I almost feel like well, we need something for Australia. Oh, this has some moments. Her story isn't really about solving the problems that it's going on. It's more about her figuring out what's happening to her, as opposed to investigating who these people were, although that's kind of the side thing what she's doing. But with the original people being taken out, it's sort of like, you know, like, we've got this blonde haired woman wandering around solving all the problems. It is a fun film. enjoyable, and it does have several taglines Oh no. She uncovered a place where ancient mystery survivor nightmares are real. That's from the DVD. A psychological thriller. Oh. To the point. A place where ancient mystery survive and nightmares are real. A psychological thriller a place where ancient mysteries survive and nightmares are real. Just mash them together. If one doesn't work, then a burial ground is on earth the girl dies and he cursed leaves on are the dreams or nightmares nightmares or premonitions. That's too many. Yeah, that's yeah, they could that's like three. Side note there have only been five Australian productions that have worded an international me. folder is gonna come up. One was Captain Jonno directed by the director of this film. At times this it feels like Mario was determined to make a copy of the fog. And it's very reminiscent of the fog and the storyline of you've got water based killers from the past. involved in something trying to create correct or be involved with nightmares that were committed. They're showing up. And why does it unanswered justice from the past slaughters crying out for retribution. It's there. There's even a scene where her boyfriend's in a rowboat and a giant boat comes right up next to him and takes out the boat he's on a giant Galleon sized ship. That looks familiar. The the Mario the Mario director bario replace the film's originally director Craig because he had been working see done two films back to back and was absolutely exhausted. And but they just say that they're going to leave over creative differences. You just didn't give a shit about like, whatever I'm out. It was nominated for Australian Film Institute Award for best achievement and editing or a series if it is well constructed in the editing is well constructed because the the lines between dream and reality are muddied. does a nice job of being a little different, especially in moments like that skull thing of the X ray is just fantastic. The producer said the movies originally screenplay reminded him of the fog. In the dreaming on camera interview as a producer, he said, I liked it immediately because it reminded me of the fog and Wow, geez, coastal towns sort of back and forth jump between present and past. The movies Coast story, writer director, Terry Jennings, writer, director of other things said, I've never seen the finished film, and I'm not starting now. So I don't know how it turned out. No, he was a little bitter about something there. The film was made on the kangaroo Islands, which features a lot of the well known. If you've seen movie shot in Australia, you've probably seen like seal Bay and admirals arch, because they show up a lot. Kangaroo Island does have a genuine history of being visited by whaling man who often kidnapped women and took them with them off the island. I haven't looked up yet where Elvis is available, but it is in the box set, which recently was on sale. So keep an eye out if you want this amazing box set for your home enjoyment. If I remember correctly, Innsmouth is mentioned in the fog right as the town or Innsmouth bay or something like Santonio Bay, but you mean like further away? Yeah. It's the beginning of the fog. She's talking about her locations in the weather and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. Interesting. Yeah. So she's driving up to the thing and drives, stops, looks around turns a corner and then you get this shot of this crooked wooden sign. Innsmouth too. Yeah, so this is this is a part of the all the Hans V. Ours Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll probably get to it eventually. Yeah, that's that's on the journey. But it was nice after though I think the last couple films have been not great. Right selections. I'm like, Man, I hope I enjoyed this one. It's not a great necessarily a great movie. I could see somebody watching what the hell's wrong with you. But I enjoyed it. It was interesting. Boy, it was definitely the end of the 80s I wish you guys had mentioned that you were having such a hard time because I could have given you hints. Like what I was thinking of because it didn't need to be a main character. No, I think that made it harder if it as not necessarily a main character because I like you just have to remember movies. Yeah, but if you think about like movies, like species or anything like that, you've got a doctor on the team. And so then instead of thinking, oh, a tea movie is gonna have a doctor or something like that. I was trying to actually make it easy and I would have been I realized they didn't do that for you. Sorry, it was okay. It was more just that it's so overshadowed by bad doctor. Yeah, once and it just, every every list every time anyone's ever gonna talk about a movie that involves a doctor. They're either like, Hey, if you love if you're a doctor, you're gonna love these 10 movies Doctor strain. Doctor giggles Yeah, seriously, or the scariest Doctor movies top 10 Well, I don't think we've done I mean we've done mad scientists but we haven't done bad doctors right maybe we need to do bad doctors at some point let's let's give it a little bit circle our way back well in with that then Erica. Bad doctors are you sure it's coming up? Now, but I think we will might keep it. I don't know if necessarily legally but in the medical field in a way. Let's do some film that features drug use or something along those lines. And testing doesn't necessarily have to be hard or something but you know, genre ideas but something that is either really fun if they're doing pot or you know something else, probably if they're doing heroin. This sounds like something I can Google. I'm excited about that. Man. Ouch. I am excited as well. So I hope everybody at home is listening and is excited and speaking of everybody at home. 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