201 FOR THE BIRDS!
The gang discusses the ramifications of James Gunn being named DC Studios Co-chairman. Also: The Retaliators, Fall, Clerks 3.
Oh I'm sorry did I break your concentration somewhere between science and superstition such sites to show you strange aeons. Wagner strange aeons radio. That's Eric over there. Hello. That's finesse over there. Hello. I'm Kelly. I wanted to get you guys thoughts on this. Just shortly. Okay. James Gunn and Peter Safran have been named co chairman of DC studios. How do we feel about this? I mean, good, I guess. I mean, James Gunn is great. Like he's the only one making any really decent DC content? Sure. I'm interested in that I'm not too familiar with the other guy. But is he more artistically minded? He's gonna probably be the more business and have it. But I guess my question is this. As an artistic person myself, do we want the artistic people running the studios? Do we want the business people running the studios and, and hiring artistic people to be artistic? I will put this out that I don't think the artistic people have been in charge since the 70s. The huge money of jaws and Star Wars and then the Indiana Jones and Back to the Future and all those, you know, for like through the 80s, the agents were the superpower guys, they were the ones with all the power and then through the 90s There's a little bit of a push towards pretending that Hollywood was being more artistic oriented, but it was still very much the Harvey Weinstein's and stuff like that controlling what was going on. And now it's been you know, the decades of Marvel. So my thinking and this can be totally inaccurate. It's just my thing. It seems like I would like to see the filmmaker thing like in the 70s. When they go, Well, this guy is an interesting filmmaker, this one has got an interesting vision. Let's have them make a movie and see what they come up with. As opposed to, we need to develop our Marvel Universe for the next 15 years only No. Yeah, I mean, it'd be a really cool thing to at least see how it, it falls out. Because I feel like he's done so many different kinds of properties in such a successful manner. That if you want something to blow up and see guts everywhere, but you're still laughing and feeling good about it, he's the guy. But if you also want to see like a sweet moment between a raccoon and a man, he's the guy like, there's just a lot of really out of context scrape state. But like, I feel like he has a lot of flexibility. So I'd love to see kind of where he goes and what he does with it. I mean, whoever who's whoever's been in charge is awful. So why not? You know? I agree with everything you're saying. I will also point out though, he is a, a white dude in his 50s. And he's not, he might be kind of kind of hip now past his age. But 10 years from now, is he still going to be hip? And are we are we going to start seeing DC that looks like the Suicide Squad all the time? Because that's his sense of humor, and that's what he wants, other filmmakers and things like that. That's, that's why I asked if if we're okay with putting somebody who's got such a strong artistic vision in charge of that part of the company. Yeah, I mean, right now, I feel like there's no personality to these films anyway. So like, I don't mind too much. But I do see your point. Will there be room for other kinds of artists who might be able to come in and shake things up if he's in charge in charge with his specific goals, but I don't know. He also seems like a cool dude. So I just don't know enough about, like, I haven't, like read a biography or something or anything on him. So I don't know if he's got, like the weird Roger Corman ability to find and massively exploit really talented people. Or if he, you know, in that case, he'd be not exploiting them. He'd probably be playing paying them a friggin mint. But can he recommend? Does he recognize talent beyond his vision of talent? So at least it's somebody interesting, and it's not the latest MBA, who's coming from Bank of America to run whatever, like it has been for so long. I agree. I agree. I know that Michael Rooker has got to be happy because he knows he's going to work forever. How many paychecks would you like sir? Have you guys did I talk about the left the right one in TV series? No. Right miss this 104 episodes as of this recording, whoa, on Showtime. That's why I missed it. It's changed the story just enough to make it interesting. But there are other things that I'm not sure I love. So in this little girl who is the vampire, she has just become a vampire. And her dad is helping her deal with it. So he's out there killing people for her. Okay, and I wasn't sure how I feel about it. But the data is played by the same guy who was the drug kingpin and weeds really have some Spanish. And he's, he's got this face it's kind of Craigie and serious and sad at the same time. So I think that he he's, he's definitely the reason I'm loving watching it. But they are also now introducing there's a there's a B plot that's going on where there is maybe a street drug that is turning people into vampires also. And that was when I was like, Ah, you guys have kind of missed the Yeah, I missed the plot of what this show or the movie was about. Still, it's very it's a very minor B plot. It hasn't amounted to anything yet, and I don't know I I was prepared to hate it. I'm liking it so far. That's cool. That's pretty cool. Um, well, did you guys check out the cabinet of curiosities so far? Oh, I have. Yes. I did get past the first episode. I've seen almost all of them. Okay. Does it get better? Because I've only seen the first one and it was God awful. Did you think so? Yeah. I I didn't mind it. I think I think they get stronger from there. Yeah, for sure. And I hopped around since it's not, you know, any kind of thing I could pick and choose. So I, being a Lovecraft nerd went to the last ones for sure. Pigments model and dreams in the witch house. Very, very loosely adapted on both of those. And I kind of enjoyed it. Because if you're like me, and you've gone to 20 years of the Lovecraft Film Festival, you've seen those two films so many times. And these did some new interesting things. It looks to me It reminds me of just a high budget creep show better writing better acting. And so I enjoyed it a good change. Yeah. I would say give the okay, so the second episode, I think it's called graveyard rats. Yeah, I would say you definitely got to watch that one. Okay, that one is pretty spectacular. Nice. I'll check that out. I'll give it another try. Because that first one was so god awful. It just, I think it was directed by a guy who's normally a DP. And even so I was like, Man, I don't even know if the camera works. Good. And this particular one, it just felt like off the rails and did you finish the episode? Okay, so you didn't like the creature? creature was fine. I mean, the special effects Great, awesome, but like, don't care about these characters don't care about the situation don't know why they're doing what they're doing. I don't know. It just felt stupid. And like, I don't know, creep show crypto exists. So I'm just like, Okay, here's the why why Kryptos news have been average at best. So I'm okay with if somebody's doing a better version of that concept. It's weird because Del Toro comes out and introduces every episode. So it's like Alfred Hitchcock Presents. Yeah, yeah. And I'm not you know, I don't know how many takes they did do that. But I feel like he was like, That's it one take that's what you get. I've done my work, right. Yeah, pay me. Well, I saw one that honestly surprised me in that it was an enjoyable at all. Fall. You know what I'm talking about the men who climb a 2000 foot. Oh, God. There's like tower the tower? Yeah. I mean, it's not good. But I was surprised that it was entertaining at all. I was expecting whatever that was the people stuck on the ski lift. Oh, yeah. I couldn't stand that film that run really like Oh, man. Yeah, I'm not really liking these people. I'm gonna bet the fall help themselves right off the bat by having the father of one of the women be. Jeffrey Dean. Morgan. Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Yeah. So he's, he's not in a lot, but he's in enough scenes that you're like, okay, cool. And the two women do good solid performances. It's a weird concept. And they somehow make it not terrible over the what? 80 some odd minutes it runs or whatever. I'm not saying anyone should watch that unless you've got the weird disease I have have. I've seen this. Let's see what the hell this is. Just because I'm curious and it could be that it was after watching. I watched it right after or shortly after watching bodies, bodies bodies, where every character was annoying as hell. And these two are very likable. By comparison, at least, these are two very likable women involved in trying to move forward with their lives after a horrible accident. And, like, Okay, I'm along for this ride. Is this a shutter? Probably. I don't remember shutter or Amazon. I've never even heard of it. My big question is from looking at the poster. If you have let's say, like a absolutely terrifying fear of heights. Do not watch this Okay? Man, cuz I am not I'm really really, really bad. And I sat through that error that Amazon like hot air balloon movie, and that was a lot for me. So I don't know if I can do this. Do not watch it. It had a few moments where I was like, oh my god, like when they drop something off and the camera watches it fall. And what it like the moments where they almost fall and stuff like that that of course happened in a movie like this are done actually fairly well. Far better than the frozen one. Whereas like wipes. Yes. Just jumped down. What do you like? 50 feet in the air? This one? It's yeah, I don't I would not recommend it for somebody who's noted. Noted. Just asking for a friend. dropped from 50 feet will break your legs. It'll break your legs. But you know, as opposed to dying, frozen on a thing for what? They're wolves or something down below them. I never actually saw the movie of it. That's true. They did have that. Eric? Yes. I saw clips three. Oh, you did? I have not seen it yet. I've heard I've actually heard. It's one of his you're gonna love it. Good. It's awful. But I mean, by comparison to like, what was that? He'll go home maybe? And once he did the Yeah, there was there was just God man. People loved us. I didn't hate us. But that Yoga Hosers was Yeah, out, man. Yeah, I was actually enjoying this. And then. And then he pulled you know, one of his things. God, he really fucking loves himself. I wish I wish that I felt this good about myself ever. I wish I loved anybody as much as he loves himself. And so it turns into a movie where Randall has a heart attack. Oh, and then he comes out of it with a new outlook on life. And what he's going to do is make a movie. And it's basically clerks is the movie he's making sure. And it was so fucking self serving and everything. I was just like, I just want to I wanted to drive down there and kick his door and and and kick his skinny ass all over the place now but now that he's uncomfortably skinny looking. It was fun and you know, weird curiosity way to see all the actors everybody comes back for a brief moment. And so you're like, Okay, look at that. Wow. But otherwise, I just sat there angry. Furious, I would say incensed. Definitely not your thing. I'm shocked to you even press play on it in the first place. I have a podcast where people want to hear my opinion on Kevin Smith that's in this new information me but I believe you. I'm surprised you have time for this podcast. Here's a question. Have we talked about where we'll finally Okay, we have okay. I'm curious to hear what you thought of it. Well, okay, I'll talk about wearable finite. So it was interesting. So this was quite like an hour long or something. Yeah, yeah. It helped we had a really short runtime i i really enjoyed it. I loved the like, you know, black and white nature of it. I like the way they set things up. I really liked it man thing. Yeah, you is killer. That was such a good use of Yeah, that's really well done. Yeah. The actress in it. I can't remember what else I've seen her dress. Yeah, the girl who's like the daughter who shouldn't really be there fighting and Oh, but is anyway but yeah, everybody. Everybody was very watchable the lead guy. is from one of those you know, there's a weird little show you watch that you just never mentioned too much. Anybody but I really enjoyed heard of Mozart in the jungle. No, I mean I heard of it, but I never saw it. It's wonderful. At least the first couple seasons are really good and he's the the whole story of Mozart and jungle is there's this superstar conductor is going to come and save the get all the proceeds and stuff they need to keep the New York Philharmonic going. And he plays that conductor. Oh, he's a total friggin goofball. He's a very likable goofball. Even when he's being a complete asshole, and he's really good in that I was like, Oh, cool. I know this guy. Very he's got the same kind of feel in this that he does in most are in the jungle. Closest is to the comic or anything like that. But I mean, it's it's a fun, or at least I don't know how close the character is to how he would be in the comic, but it was really, really fun. And the girl she's from the Nevers, that's what it is. Oh, she's, yeah, one of the main characters from that, but yeah, yeah, I love that, too. i I wish that they would do more stuff like that. I'd much rather watch a tight hour long. Yeah. Than six episodes. Yeah. Yeah. That's the fun hopefully the thrill as they get accustomed to doing streaming that they'll let let things go because this did really well, too. Yeah. So hopefully that'll encourage them. Hey, we don't have to have a six episodes or eight episode thing for this tiny little story thing we want to develop. We can just do a mini movie about it. Well, and they were smart on turning the man thing into kind of a another version of Groot instead of what he really is. Which would have been I think, hard to show on film. Yeah. Yeah, he did a great job with that. Yeah. You mean the other depictions of him on film aren't successful? I'd be shocked. I was shocked by this information. Talked about the man thing movie in our live our Live episode right here. Emerald City Comicon I saw an interesting one called the retaliate errs, the retaliate errs. It's a new one it's got one of the I don't know if either of you watch the show rescue me. I think Kelly would love rescue me. I watched a few episodes Yeah, but he's one of the younger firemen who's in that he's not that much older looking still but it starts out as I'll spoil a little bit just because I think if you've watched part of it, you might leave before it gets really fun. But it starts off with a guy who is his daughter gets gets killed and he gets in a situation where he can have revenge against this guy. And it goes from being sort of a procedural to a balls out gore fest let's level in this film is outrageous. And it's a lot of fun. It's done with a tongue in cheek level kind of violence. And I if you're into that kind of shit, I wholeheartedly recommend checking out the retaliate doors teleoperators okay, what is that on? That is wow, that is one that I always go to shutter because I've watched so much on shutter recently but I've also been watching some stuff on amazon prime so it's one of those two was my guess. Okay, cool. Cool. How do you guys talk feel about taking a little break? I could I could take a break Okay, and then when we come back we're talking about birds birds Hi, bird eyes bird you're such a nice bird. Let's make an iceberg tree. Grape in the eye to build a cup. Then added flavor yum yum, yum yum. How about another one? I heard you're a lot of fun. iceberg with five flavor packets. Iceberg new from Kenner. We have returned the NASA this was your sub genre you wanted to do something kind of thanksgiving. Yeah, I wanted to you know have a topic surrounding the idea or the use of birds and film. But I will say I regret it. I did a lot. You know I I love the idea of this. I love the idea of this and yet First Movie came up I was like maybe I'll finally watch thanks killing it was and watch the trailers for and I was like I cannot do this you know you have to be in a certain place to be able to sit through either things killing one or three and I was not there. So then I was like okay, I'm gonna watch birds two lands end you know you cannot watch birds two lands and no one has it including YouTube and I didn't really have time to download it I've I've seen that you dodged a bullet there. I'm gonna buy it. vinegar syndrome has a special edition. So I had a list of some other movies and at that point I was getting a little desperate. So I went with the next one because it was available on YouTube for definitely free slash legal ability of watching. And that was the movie, the vulture on the bleak sinister Cornish coast. Superstitious villagers believe a terrifying legend, a legend of a loathsome beast that rises out of a 200 year old grave to seek an awesome repair. BlackBerry from the gravest come this creature with a threat to wipe out every member of your family, from the youngest to the oldest. Death strikes from the skies, terrifying the countryside The only clues of feather from a monstrous creature gold coins taken from a tomb and underground laboratory presided over by death. No man is safe. No woman is spared from the depredations of the vulture. 1960s like six slash 1967 is when it came out and had its first kind of screening in 66 and 67. It was worldwide. So 10 minutes right Rotten Tomatoes score of none. Budgets 50,000 UK pounds box office of unknown Britain directed by Lawrence Huntington 42 credits including Adventures of Sir Lancelot contrabands Fein and men on the run starring Robert Hutton as Dr. Eric Lutens. He has 89 credits including they came from beyond space the steel helmet, invisible invaders and destination Tokyo. Also a Kim tam off as Professor press Professor hans Connick good 155 credits he was in a lot of cool stuff including touch Touch of Evil For Whom the Bell Tolls, Alphaville and the trial. Broderick Crawford as Brian s Stroud 147 credits these guys have been in a lot of shit, including all the king's men born yesterday, the mob and Diane Claire's Trudi Lutens. She's been in 52 things including the hunting. So and the adventures but not that one. The plot, so we're opening on the same shot as the one in the fog, like literally the same shot is like the first note shot from the fog up on some cliffsides looking down some motion, the only difference is we're not shooting day for night. So they've got that going for them. And we have a bunch of Thera Moon style music that's coming in. It's like, okay, cool. I like where this is headed. Seems good. Seems good. Then we're on. We're in Cornwall on a bus. And a lady is talking to the bus driver. She's like, really up in his face. And she's like, Ah, let me off over here. I'm going to walk through a church yard at night and it'll be fine. And he's like, I wouldn't do that. If you paid me all the money in the world lady. That's crazy. And she's like, you're superstitious and you're too old for it. So get the hell over it. Because she's British. And he's like, Ah, good luck. So off she goes, walks through the cemetery. And sure enough, she stops and stares at something for a long time before we figure out what she's looking at. And it is an open grave that will a groove that is becoming open because something is crawling out of it. Which I know bunch of dirt is shuffling around and then cuts back to her face and she looks really freaked out and we hear the flapping sound of bird wings and she looks Saab with horror and then tries to run away and ends up fainting. She wakes up in a hospital and she is going on and on about a giant bird with a human face. She was found by a man out in the cemetery the next day she'd passed out and now all of her hair is white. Oh my god, speaking of pass out, it's okay to breathe. No, no, I don't have time. police investigators are interested in this whole area, they start looking around, cannot find any like weird footprints. They do see that the cemetery grave is like up ended. And they think maybe people stole some gold from there. There's some kind of story going around. And they find out from the local professor. They just keep calling him a professor. What he professes in, I don't know, does not matter. But he has a letter that talks about this family. And so the guy who's buried in there. For instance, Ria Raelle was a sea captain who had come from Spain and had like, basically found a new home in this little town. And he had a really large pet bird with him. However, there was a local family, the Strauss who accused him of being in league with the devil, and put the bird to death. He was really upset about it. So they put him to death, and they buried him alive in field next to his bird. So that's fun. So the investigator is like, I bet there's a reason why these people, there's something going on here and maybe there's some gold in this guy's casket and that's what's going on. Meanwhile, a beautiful woman named Trudy definitely not last name Stroud is excited that her husband is flying in from New York. She is visiting her uncle, they are the Stroud family. And he and her husband is a nuclear scientist. This has meaning somehow, I'm not sure exactly what year arrives back. And immediately this like nuclear scientist guy is obsessed with this entire situation. He goes and investigates the woman with the white hair. I'm like, Alright, did they just let anyone in here you go and talk to the professor. He's like, show me the letter to slow you down. You will love it. And so he puts together these ideas I cannot comprehend to you what the fuck he's talking about. Because he's like, nuclear something is in the earth and it's of the world and the the atoms and I'm sure the bird it has something to do with this, then it's not gold. And I'm like, What the fuck are you saying right now? So this movie, it goes from there. Cool. The bird. The bird is pretty neat. All right. I wish I could see more of it. Most of the time, you just see some really big bird legs come in, and place themselves on people's shoulders and carry them away. Fantastic. That is the best part of this movie. It happens. I've seen a shot. I haven't seen this film. But I know exactly what you're talking about. Those. Those moments are beautiful. Oh my god. That's cool. There's a nest area that they kind of like find in the cliffside. That's really cool. There's a dead sheep they find on the beach, that's just guts everywhere. That's pretty cool. And there's this moment where like, I think the creature also has human hands. So it gets some one of the first guy by knocking on the window and the guy comes and he gets birded. But later, there's a sequence where the thing wants to get another person and there's a hand knocking, but like the hand kind of sneaks into shot and then if somebody walks by the hand sneaks away again, like the back and forth of like the hand trying to sneak in and knock and just being like outwitted by people coming through the room. Um, the thing that I don't like about this movie, it is the same set over and over and over and over again. We go to the rich dudes house, we go to the lawn, we go to the beach, and then we go back again, over and over. And sometimes people leave for no reason and we watch them leave and we watch them come back and we watch them leave. It is effing Boring. Boring. Some of the actors it's really hard to tell who I'm looking at because they cast not not one, not two, but three tall men with receding hairlines. And they all look the same. But once they speak, you're like, Oh, that one's the one with the accent that I guess he's the investigator and that one's the husband and that one's the other guy. They also have someone who's basically a riff raff cosplayer, who just kind of appears all the time for no reason. He's like pale white, pasty Skin, White long hair, and he's the crazy church Sexton I don't know why he's there cannot tell you I just know he just randomly appears in a very shiny black trench coat. There are only two pieces of music they ever used. There are mon is one of them. The other one is inappropriate for this movie. We just go between them back and forth. Very fun. And also this whole nuclear storyline. It is literally nonsensical. I think the end they tie it back in I don't want to spoil the ending because it's probably the only reason to watch it but I can't say it makes sense either. But the way they tie in this nuclear plot to the bird thing is stupid. It's literally stupid. Um, anyway, trivia. Wow, yeah, there's not a lot to really talk about those the film because it's so boring. They just walk around and say the thing that you just saw over and over and over again, multiple times. The characters are kind of interesting, but really, there's this whole curse with the droughts and they're the oldest to the youngest are going to be murdered. But you why I do not know. On total mystery, tagline talons of terror. Not too bad. It was filmed in color, but only ever shown theatrically and black and whites. It was even it was eventually broadcast on television and its original color I saw in color so YouTube has in color. final film of veteran director Lauren's Huntington I think he was old and tired. He wanted to be there anymore. CO production of Canada, UK and the US it was filmed in the UK script was based on an original story by Huntington but was first known as men men who Torah it's sold. He sold it to producer Jaco lament, who managed to get some financing from Paramount provided to American names provided an American names were cast as elites which makes very confusing moments where you're like why are Americans in the UK for no reason? I don't know if they never tell you um, TV Guide awarded this film one out of four stars writing ridiculous casting makes this one a laugh riot you can skip this film just watch the bits that Eric saw just find the bits where the bird comes. It's just a still picture actually. So you're good find a GIF. GIF and you'll be as droid as I was. What year was this? 1966 Hmm I have never heard of this. It's I unwind it's watchable ish. I think it's in a book I had read a lot is Tina thank you so I'll have it but the golden Turkey awards put out a book like this big time pickets in that book I I just never get tired of you picking a sub genre and then hating the movie that you finally pick any sub genre you pick. I'm pretty bummed about it. I can't live I feel really upset and I feel betrayed by my own creative ways. Eric you want to go after that? crushing depression let's just dive right in. Let me put 10 minutes on the board. All right. Because I'm gonna say I really liked the movie. I really enjoyed it. I'm very happy for you. Good for you. As whole this is the film I picked is called stage fright, also known as Aquarius and della Delaria the year was 1987. Many because I didn't have your mind. Ha Ha. So what are we going to do now? Find the key Rotten Tomatoes. This is a fun one. The critics and 90% the crowd 59. Wow. Critics love it. It's a weird one. Budget 3.9 million. box office 182,000 Hello. I don't know. I wonder if that's just like domestic to Italy or something? The director? I believe it's pronounced Michelle. So VI, who's you'll know because he directed of the church Yeah. Directed cemetery man nice. He directed the legend of the Christmas which whatever the hell that is. And he is familiar with Dario Argento is world of horror. No, it's a thing I saw on MTV, like in the late 80s or 90s. And it's incredibly interesting and weird documentary about horror films. And I think Stephen King did a version of it as well. I remember that one, and it's on YouTube and it's worth checking out. It's really bizarre. He was offered the opportunity to direct from dusk till dawn but turned it down. I like that this note job went to Robert Rodriguez. Thanks. protege of the Italian director Dario Argento. This the writer was George Eastman, who you may know from terror Express dog delay afternoon, and Caligula The Untold Story, okay. Also written Shelley Shelley Goldberg, who did dialogue she also did dialog for zombie five killing birds beyond the door three and Ghost House. I don't know about that last one. starring David Brandon from Casablanca Express delirium, warrior queen and Caligula The Untold Story. Barbara beastie who was in the church, the flesh and the devil, cemetery, man and opera. Probably my favorite Argento film. Giovanni Allah Bardo. Rudis, who was in the 2006 The Omen, the church gangs in New York City less dead house on the edge of the park, cannibal for oil and violent shit the movie. Oh, and flipper. Yeah, live for Mickey Knox who was in can you guess it? Cemetery man. Vampire in Venice, Frankenstein Unbound, and the Godfather Part Three. And finally, almost finally, James Edward Sampson, who I had to include. Why? Because he's in robot Jack's shocking, dark, nice escape from the Bronx, the New York River and city the living dead, basically Italian royalty. And also starring George Eastman, the writer of the movie, isn't it briefly. Okay, so we got this nice, beautiful opening of stark white credits over a black background with the sound of a cat. Think of that what you well, who cares? That sounds like every night for me. I don't know what to do with that. So I'm just going to quickly move on. This the opening shot. It looks like it's going to be like a terrible, terrible Italian movie. And that pulls back a little bit. Oh, they're on stage. So the opening shot is a stage number. With a lady of the night walking the streets. A feather falls and she is grabbed by the throat and taken off the street. Suddenly everything changes started look sounds like a movie musical is starting which is exactly what it is. The owl masked man is dancing on the stage with the witnesses to his crime as we pull back to see the stage and part of the empty theater. A Marilyn Monroe woman dressed dresses Marilyn row plays the saxophone. While the owl man has a gun to his head and is stripped down. The man wearing the asthma owl mask hates it. That's the first few minutes of the movie. So it just dives right in to the total weirdness that is this film. So yeah, I stretched a little bit by bird is actually just a bird mask. Very cool bird mask by the way. That's okay. That's a shit ton of feathers. There's a lot of others. The producer can can easily fix him. He looks like a cross between cliche noir detective and I'll just blanked on his name the guy the detector from Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Bob Haas. Yes. Looks like kinda like a low rent Bob Hoskins. Yeah. This is the night owl is what you're watching. But not really because they don't do much with it. It's a mess of a stage production. It's ridiculous. Everyone who's catty and annoyed and hates each other. One of the lead ladies twist her ankle and goes to what she thinks is a regular hospital. But no, it's an asylum. Oh no. And in this asylum, She finds that there's a serial killer who's a actor. Guess what, who escapes from the asylum and goes in the car back with him to the thing. So he ends up getting back there and running around and steals the Al mask and polarity and some pretty actually some decent kills but I mean, it's it's fine, but I enjoyed the shit out of it. It's so painfully Italian at times. Even though it's all in English, you can definitely tell that this is somebody who worked with Dario Argento, the way he sets up scenes and the way he does suspense scenes. This was his first film. And he said in one of the interviews that he was in no way ready to direct a movie but when somebody says, Hey, you want to direct a movie? You say yes. It all the the director tries to call the whole thing into a giant, all the people getting killed, he tries to turn into a giant promotional events, everybody will come and see the movie, or see the play. I don't know if that's gonna work did salon to style over substance there is the I have told you basically the entire plot of this story. It's very simple. It's very basic. I think it's a lot more yellow than a slasher. Because just because of the way it looks, I mean, it's a slasher movie, in that a lot of people get slashed and killed. But the setups and the way things are done is much more shallow looking. And I'm not sure why they sort of tried to frame it as a mystery because the killer is kind of obvious, right? Like, the music goes way over the top at times, but it's still fun. tagline. Theater of death, didn't mean to flip my page over completely so it cannot read it. But the theater of death tagline straightforward during the screening at the Fantasia Film Festival. This was years later, this wasn't his original run, but the cast or the crew of fantastic fit through feathers all over. Everybody in the audience watching the movie. Yeah, good. Which is goes right to the finale of the film. They said it's his first film. And I was like, Okay, I remember when you talked about the church Tony was on and he brought this film up. And you'd asked about the mask. There's surprisingly little information on the mask other than people talking about it being cool. But I did ask Tony if he had any other cool little interesting things and he said that survivor is also director who's second unit director on Tenebrae phenomena demons and Baron Munchausen. And the George Eastman was the title character in the Grim Reaper. Oh, let's see. Well, Sandra, is about that. The loud musical score that I say got very loud was taken from Sergej, Eisenstein's Battleship Potemkin. Oh, okay, interesting. David Brandon played Caligula and Joe de Matos Caligula, younger on story while Robert Glover have played Caligula in Lawrence Lorenzo's Caligula slaves. A lot of Caligula going around a lot. Yeah. All movie awarded sets the stage fright is primarily for the horror audience, but they're likely to enjoy this visually inventive approach to the usually humdrum slasher sub genre, calling the film A good example of how style can triumph over substance in a genre effort. Poor hound named at the 20 most number 12 and the 20 most underrated slasher of the 80s. And Lee gave it one out of five stars on Amazon saying The movie also known as stage fright with a space between stage and Frank. Cool. Love it. Wow. No, I just remember I liked this movie. And you know, I'm not a big Italian horror guy, but it does feel Italian but it I guess I didn't think it felt very jello. It could be if you've I've watched so many recently. In the last couple of years. I've just watched a ton of jello that I hadn't seen before. And I think that's right shoehorned into my viewing of it. I forget the name of the movie. There's one I watched a while ago that people were calling exploitative instead of jello and I thought it looks very juvenile then I watched a lot of exploitation going on I go I understand now. Look at both of you guys getting your stuff done before the 10 minute timer. This is no longer fun. Oh, I'm sure it will capture the future. It's going to play a role. Multiple times. Well, okay, I'm putting 10 minutes on the board. I'm telling you what I watched and I was really happy with this Vanessa I chose from 1963 The Raven soft cold caressing the Ravens handle a woman whose desires transcend reality the mysterious powers of black magic these you will explore now what is it you need you got some bread and blood baths in the house Raven we'll take you careening through the darkest of danger into the ominous mystery of a master magicians evil Castle afraid idea I offer you a choice secret of your hand manipulations all this good do something this is no answer Okay well then do you do that debt? was never really is almost the same year almost the same? Like how have yours didn't suck. It just didn't budget of $350,000 box office of 1.5 million Rotten Tomatoes critics give it 83% And the audience gives us 63% This was directed by Roger Corman 56 directing credits including none of this earth teenage caveman she gods of shark reef. He also has 515 producer credits Holy shit, he could have done better written by Richard Matheson 91 credits including Jaws 3d, The Night Stalker and the night strangler all three of which I have spoken about on this very podcast. He is also the author of the finest vampire novel in the world. I Am Legend very true. They list Edgar Allan Poe as a writer but come on. And what did he do? Come to set it stars Vincent Price 211 credits including Last Man on Earth, which is the best of the I Am Legend adaptations. Also true. The Fly House of Wax Edward Scissorhands and I will tell you the other actors as they appear because I was quite shocked when they do you're gonna put the trailer in and so I'm sure everybody will hear this but I you guys will be shocked as I was as I get to. When I say you guys, I mean the people at my table. So it opens with Vincent Price reading the poem The raving, he's narrating the poem, and it's actually really great to just hear him narrating the poem, but it makes no sense because it's the year 1506 Oh motto and he is a retired sorcerer named Dr. Erasmus graven so really Edgar Allan Poe just ripped off money, of course. And he is mourning the death of his wife, Lenore, he's in his his chamber. His young and beautiful daughter comes in Estelle and she has brought him some milk, and they discussed Lenore a bit who was only her stepmother. So she doesn't have the connection to her that her dad does. But Vincent is really having around Vincent. Raven is having a really tough time with her. She's been dead for two years and he actually has her body in a coffin in different chamber with a painting of her above it. Nice. Yep. Oh my Hey, what's up so love. So Estelle has the bed. And as Craven is in his chamber, you guys, he hears a tap tap tapping upon his chamber door. Oh, this is my first indication that this movie is kind of more of a silly comedy. I didn't realize that going in. But as soon as the music starts, it's got like the 60s Silly like the odd oboe note when something and stuff like that. He bangs his head against a telescope. And I was like, Oh, boy. He's looking for whatever is making the sound. And what do you guys think is tap tap tapping on us? chamber door for the comedy. It's going to be like a random dude or something. monkey's paw. It's a raven. How did we miss that? So it's a raven outside and he left it in and it flies around a little bit and pretty soon as they're speaking to him, as he does in the voice of Peter Lorre. Yeah, famously, we're looking and sounding actor from Fritz Lang's AMA, Casablanca, The Maltese Falcon and invisible opponent, which I have spoken about on this podcast. So the Raven claims to be Dr. Adolfo das belt bed low, who has been turned into a raven by the evil Wister wizard Dr. scarabus. Everybody is a doctor in this. This is really off book. And he wants Craven to turn him back into a human but Craven doesn't really know how to do that. He's kind of a retired sorcerer. Anyway, his dad was really the sorcerer in the family and he's like, so bedload tells him all the components he needs to make the spell and poof pretty soon we have Peter Lorre in person. But the best part is the spell didn't go completely right the first time so he has these gigantic Raven wings instead of arms. It's pretty fun, but pretty soon he's fully human. So he's trying to convince Craven to help him exact revenge against scarabus but Craven isn't interested in tell Beth Lowe says Your wife is not dead. I saw Lenore in scarabus his castle and so they go and look at the body. And bed low is like well, I don't know what to tell you. I get the you got a body here but you've got something you know, a spirit over in this castle so craves, like all right. So we are now off on a quest with Craven and his daughter Estelle embedd low but they have to pick up bed lows son, who was very young in 1963 Jack Nicholson Oh yeah. 78 credits, including Chinatown. The Shining, which is Eastwick which I spoken about on this podcast. Running theme, it's like we've done 201 He looks great in this. First of all, he's very young and handsome. And he is wearing this ridiculous Robin Hood type outfit, including the hat with a gigantic ostrich feather in it. It is worth watching this movie just to see this. They get to the castle, which is a fantastic miniature and scarabus is revealed it is none other than Boris Karloff. Oh my god. 205 credits including Frankenstein, the old dark house. I love the dead and How the Grinch Stole Christmas a couple years after this. Yeah. So from there, it just turns into a lot of fun. There is a little twist that I didn't see coming. I like that there's also an extended wizard duel when they decide that scarabus and Craven have to fight and it's got just these really bad 60 special effects like light effects that have been like scratched into the film and stuff. And it's I don't know it was just so fucking charming that I was like, Oh, I really love this especially watching both Boris Karloff and Vincent Price like waving their hands and and not knowing you know how special effects were being made. So they look completely out of place doing this. I have a little bit of trivia. First of all, I just need to say this movie was a joy to watch. I told my brother last night that I seen this and he goes, that was Vincent Price and Peter Lorre. I was like yeah, good memory. So Peter Lorre and Jack Nicholson were fond of ad libbing their lines, much to the annoyance of Boris Karloff who was working from the script. According to Roger Corman, Peter Laurie's improvisations, confused Vincent Price and Boris Karloff but price adapted well to this and Karloff did not with the exception of the previous years Tales of Terror which boasted a cast of Vincent Price Peter Lorre, Deborah Padgett and basil Rathbone this was the next closest that low budget director Roger Corman ever came to having an all star cast yet. Despite the salaries of Vincent Price Boris Karloff and Peter Lorre. It was repeatedly produced at a cost of about 350,000 went on to become one of Corman's biggest box offices. Vincent Price as the sorcerer Dr. Erasmus Craven inspired the creation of Dr. Strange and in fact, became creator Steve Ditko is model for the Sorcerer Supreme. Dr. Strange his full name in the comics is Steven Vincent strange. Oh, yeah. And then finally, Hazel cord is also in this I was a little surprised to see her she's from Frankenstein Bride of Frankenstein. She's kind of the twist that I was telling you guys about. She's also in the movie. She's wearing a low cut a gown and all of it. And she said in an interview years later that it irritated her when the film came out when critics focus on her breasts more than her acting. One Time Magazine critic wrote, The sexy lusty redhead is played by the English actress Miss Hazel cord, and whose cleavage you can sync the entire works of Edgar Allan Poe plus a bottle of his favorite boost. No. Sucks. I did have to say for 1963 movie, I was like, there's a lot of cleavage going on here. Which I appreciate it. The Raven 1963. tough to find. I'll say that. Oh, so. So you went to the library? Yes. You pick it up when I'm laying down. Yeah. I would have done if you have enough time. You. Hi. Yeah, as usual, you pick something that I was like Christ's birds. Then I found a movie that I had never seen or even heard of, and just had a blast with it. So thanks, Vanessa. I like mine, too. I'm so glad you guys had a wonderful time. I hope you have a happy Thanksgiving season. Season has still got a couple other Yeah, before Thanksgiving here at all. Find a single good film. Well, hold on. To we just thought my time run out. You want to get that buzzer sound in here. How much time is left? Oh, I don't know. 20 seconds or less? Eric, I believe it is your choice for the next sub genre. Oh, no. It is yours. Eric, I believe it is my choice for the next. All right. In that case, I have something special planned for you. Okay. Will it be very specific or slightly abstract? It's going to be slightly abstract. Okay, cool. In fact, I don't even know how to exactly say it. It is going to be in keeping with this whole Thanksgiving thing. Since we're apparently not doing ninjas this year. I thought something like a, like a, like an around the table sub genre. A dinner or a invitation of people? Oh, okay. The movie. The invitation is probably a good example of that idea. A lot. There's something like that, you know, a gathering of people as as we all do for Thanksgiving not not being such as we are right now. Oh, yeah. Nice. Tape. I'm just doing last episode for my episode. How are you? Yeah, my movie. What? Yeah, last episode is on YouTube now. So I'm gonna just do that as my movie for around the table. Okay. I am really confused. I'm gonna go with it. Starring me All right, you guys. This is the part where I know, buddy. Okay, sorry. Got it. Very good. Very good. Love it. Oh. You know what? I don't believe you love it. I mean, look, I'm I'm just bitter about watching that film. Because it three times to make it through. And I did forget One fun fact. They do have a feather that they find in the graveyard. It is a normal feather and he looks at it and goes, ooh, supernatural. Like, it's not a fucking normal feather. Yes, it is a giant bird. But it only has normal feathers. Anyway, go on. Thank people bitterness. 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