218 HISTORY OF THE OCCULT!

218 HISTORY OF THE OCCULT!
We go off-label and all discuss Kelly's new favorite movie. Warning: we spoil the heck out of this flick, so watch it before listening! Also discussed: Lockwood & Co., We Have a Ghost, Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run.

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Oh, I'm sorry, did I break your concentration somewhere between science and superstition such sites to show you strange aeons. Welcome to strange aeons radio. That's Eric over there. That's Vanessa over there. Hello. I'm Kelly. You guys. I'm super excited about this episode, which is a little bit different. Yeah. But also, you know, I'm, I'm constantly talking at the end of every episode about thanking people for liking and sharing posts and everything and all of that stuff. I want to also it was illustrate the importance of recommending the podcast to other people. There's now 4 million active podcasts. Okay, so unless you're looking for this podcast, you're not going to stumble on this podcast, man. This was made very apparent to me when I was talking to our buddy Mark Rahner, who, you know, has the same sensibilities as me lots of 70s television or stuff like that. And I suggested to him, a podcast called forgotten TV, just hosted by Chris cooling. It's a really neat, really research intensive podcast that just not enough people are listening to. And Mark ended up listening to it. And then he got back to me. He was like, Oh, my God, I love this podcast. And I am now going to start donating to this podcast. I was like, less interesting, doesn't donate to our podcast. He did that. And I said, Hey, please let him know that I turned you on to this. And he said, we'll do. And I was like, yeah, how cool. I was so happy that forgotten TV is getting one more listener. So if you're, if you're loving our podcast, recommend it to somebody. Yeah, it's great. Because if you've got a podcast in common with somebody that makes for great things to talk about, you know, you get together and you talk about whatever, US weirdos or whatever, your favorite podcast. Absolutely. A lot of fun. Yeah, especially, you know, it's funny because it comes up at weird times. I know when I'm talking to my students, and somebody's like, Oh, I love horror films. And we're talking about horror films. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I am. More films, if you ever want to tune in and they get so excited. And you know, sometimes just your friends who have common interests, you might be really into it. So yeah, feel free to recommend us. Yeah, yeah. Very cool. Okay, I'm gonna be talking about comic books this time. Okay, so we've talked a lot about the Swamp Thing and the new Swamp Thing and all that stuff. And I've always said that, you know, the Bernie Wrightson Swamp Thing was my Swamp Thing. I didn't like when he turned into a avatar for the green and all that stuff. But I didn't like the idea that I never bothered to read those stories. And oh, God, I because he stopped being a swamp thing and had become, you know, whatever. This much bigger thing he was. I did not realize you hadn't read that. i Okay, God. Yeah. So, so I started reading, and I'm like, wow, really fucking good. Gaming came in and said, I've got an idea. And Alan Lenoir, Neil Gaiman. Oh, was it? A writer? Oh, okay. So it was Alan Moore. Okay. And Len Wein, who was the original writer, he basically talked to him and said, I'd like to do this with this character. And Len said, Ah, okay, that's weird. But yeah, go ahead and do that because Len was also the editor of the book. And I thought it was really neat that Len was able to just say, Yeah, take this thing I created and go do something completely different with it's cool. And I been really surprised at how how much more horror it was than I realized it was when LMR ticket truly fucked up. Yeah, so he fucked up in places some really bizarre cosmic and gruesome stuff that I I was thinking you know what, I would have loved this as a 14 year old when this was happening. But because I had gotten away from the swampy stuff, I just decided you know, I want my swamp monsters to be swampy swamp monsters which is so funny because they do do a lot of very southern Louisiana specifics often there it's just feel so a swamp I didn't realize it now. I'm now I'm I'm bored. I'm going through, you know, they've collected all of the war runs. And so I'm on like volume three saga of the Swamp Thing. Oh, I'm so excited. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to like, like Nancy Collins. I really love her novels. And so I'm looking forward to getting into when she does it. I'm I'm all on board with with cosmic swampthing. Yes, this is one of the comments that got me in a comic. And the the entire reason I got I decided to give it a try was because of this new Swamp Thing comic we've all been. Like, I should probably catch up to why he's like this. Yeah. Definitely a difference from his. Yeah. Bernie writes in yours. Yep. And yeah, maybe you can also see why I hate the Wi Fi show after or CW show or whatever. After having read the Alan Moore stuff. That one is so far removed from that, and yet that was why I was liking it is because it felt so much like the the Bernie writes, that's probably where I just didn't I hadn't read that stuff. So that's, maybe I will go out of my way to check that out. Yeah. So speaking of interesting things, they kind of dive into, and I checked out Lockwood and Co on Netflix. Yes. Tell me about it. Yeah, it's, um, it's bizarre. So I like the concept very much. This world, we're ghosts suddenly show up one day and start killing people. And it's now we have, you know, what is it when everybody has to go home at night, curfews and police, you know, teams of certain kinds of people can deal with these things. And the whole world has shifted gears because of ghosts. And I like that very much. Only young people who are open in certain ways can actually deal with the ghosts. So our children are basically shoved out into the streets to go and fight these ghosts, which is pretty interesting, very strange. And then once they come to a certain age, they can't honestly deal with the ghost anymore, they lose touch with it, and they, you know, have sort of become bureaucrats. So the world is run in this almost Brazil like way. So the setup is great. The writings a little clunky, I feel like it's a young newer filmmaker filmmaking team. There's a lot of love of Doctor Who in there, the lead male dresses like David Tennant's Doctor Who and acts like David Tennant's Doctor Who, there's a lot of British. A this British. It's all set in London. Yes. Not. Not that young of the filmmaker. This is the guy that did attack the block. Oh, is it really? Yeah, of course. Well, so I would say there's, it's, it's a show rather than film and there's some character development stuff in there. That's rough. There are times where I'm like, I don't know why that character is doing that. That's real weird. It's real stupid. Okay. Is it? Is it set for I mean, is it a young adult kind of show feels like it feels like it's squarely aimed at you know, 16 year olds. Okay. So it's, it's fun. I'm really enjoying it. But there are definitely moments where I'm like, Oh, come on, like the writing here or there the character here there's like fucking why, why it's a little few little bit rough in places, but I think it's gonna go to a really good place if it continues. That set up you described as super interesting. I didn't realize it was like a, an alternate universe. Yeah, it's an alternate universe. It's crazy. It's yeah, and I love this kind of trope of like, this event happened. And no one knows fully why it's still sort of in its not infancy, like people have started to form these concepts of how the world now must work within it. But they still haven't answered the big questions. So it's like okay, well, everybody has to be in bed by this hour. These things help fight the ghosts, but no one really knows why or what they're there for. So there's there's cool stuff going on school. Oh, check that out. That's Lockwood in company. X. My continuing quest for sports ship continues. I finished watching the last dance that Michael Jordan holy shit that is so goddamn good asinine? Yeah. It was interesting to read a little bit about it or hear a little bit about it that is also produced by Michael Jordan. And although it is not perfectly good damn, they take they talk a lot of shit about what a mass he was as a teammate and how intense he could be and how hard he could be to work with but apparently Scottie Pippen took some umbrage with some of this stuff I don't know the specifics but overall, phenomenal watch an incredibly well put together documentary they did this really cool timeline thing where the whole thing from episode one was leading up to his final game, and then they would show this graphic of a timeline and it would slide back to like 1990 or 1991. And they'd do that for a while and then the graphic would slide back to current times of their of his last game. And it was incredibly well done. Talking about insane access. I don't know there's anybody that didn't talk to. Recommended on Netflix all 10 episodes. The Last Waltz plus dance last dance. Yes, The Last Waltz is the music. The band nevermind I was gonna agree with you and I realize I haven't watched this at all. Last Wolf, on the other hand is fantastic. Okay, also then in my comic book stuff, I decided since I had enjoyed the last Ronin so much see what is going on with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Oh man. Oh, boy. So I started with issue one of their new revamped series data IDW. And I gotta say, I'm disappointed. Yeah, I I know that they can't be what they were when you and I were collecting America were basically their, their origin story ties into Daredevil and all of that stuff. But I don't know if I really like the way they've decided to make everybody related. And, you know, right off the bat in the way they do this. And now, apparently, have you read this earlier? But you have based on the way you're looking at me, Vanessa, were the were the Turtles and Splinter are the reincarnations of the old samurai and his sons from feudal Japan. I I've read really weird random pieces, so I did not know that part. Yeah, I like that. I'm like, why can't they just be turtles? Yeah. Me. Ninja Turtles. Yeah, there's some weird stuff going on. I read Jenica. And I was like, I miss a lot. And I don't know that I want to get as far as I need to get to understand what happened. And it's Yeah, and is Jenica tied into this version of the turtles eventually will be cut into this. So yeah, the IDW new turtles is where Jenica will emerge. IDW is a little hit or miss, shall we say? I mean, why are so many properties and then do a lot with a lot of man I was going and going and going to like I was collecting these and these beautiful, hard bound issues. And I had to stop because I was like, first of all, I don't know if I love this. They have not caught up and it just kept going. Well, that's what I am reading those hardbound ones are now available on you know, Comixology Oh, sure. I'm reading that way. So because those hardbound volumes are quite pricey. Yeah, that's why I also stopped collecting kind of expensive. If anyone wants the volume. I think it's seven. I had accidentally ended up with two. And I, Eric, you say that about IDW Gad, I was just super disappointed with their take on the Micronauts and ROM. Wow, I'm glad I missed that entirely. Because I would have read those. I bought every one of them and just scowled my way through every single liners goddamnit. This is not the Micronauts This is not rom rom Smith, you're gonna do a lot of work to make your arm cool. And Micronauts had. I mean, it's not like there's 580 and 40 years of Micronauts. But let's just do with what they did and expand. Well, unfortunately, all the cool stuff of the Micronauts comic is owned by Marvel. Okay, so you know, they had to take like the Kroyer and all that stuff, and they had to do their own spin, they couldn't do what Marvel had done with him. So that's how IDW gets so many things. They just buy pieces and parts they buy the IP but the stuff that Marvel created that is still owned by Marvel, so do you know bug if you love bug, you're not gonna find him and it W's Micronauts why I got way off base versus looking at us like the what, what are the micro amounts? I know little I mean Marvel podcasts, and they were also talking about microdots which I have not read. So now I've heard it mentioned twice and still don't know very good short run. Pretty good. Well, going back to comics, but nothing I really want to talk about. I mean, I guess I could. Now I'm going to talk about this documentary I said I just watched the Netflix documentary The Murdoch murder. murders. So I watched the stock Rupert Murdoch know, I watched the start because there's a guy in the news like this week who got convicted, and sentenced to jail for killing his wife and son. And there was a Netflix documentary. And I know there's a podcast somewhere to already about this family. It's a very wealthy family of lawyers in the South who are well known in a very small community, but they make it sound like they're the kings of the south. They're not, they're just well known in one community. And they essentially just are like, won the Murdoch. So I can do whatever the fuck I want. And turns out the can't as that guy is now going to prison, but this documentary follows a completely different set of murders around their family name. And this isn't the trial. No, oh, my god, what is this gets to it's called Murdoch murders. And then it has a tagline underneath it, which I can't remember. But it's the first it literally three episodes. So it's pretty short. The first episode and a half is about one of the two sons in this family who crashes a boat with his friends on it, and one of his friends is killed. And the others are severely hurt and sort of about how that family can kind of do what they want and how he's not getting any blame for this and how he's just walking around. Out there free and the effect of it. And then halfway into the second episode, it switches gears, and they're like, oh, yeah, there's the two other random people who are dead. And you're like, what? And so the final episode, they're really looking into these other the sort of pattern of people who just kind of keep dying around them. And the police aren't investigating it. And nobody's saying anything about it. And it's awfully weird. And then near the end of the third episode, they catch up to modern times, and they're like, oh, yeah, and now the subject of the previous couple episodes is dead, because the dad maybe possibly killed him. And there's all this weird shit that just starts to bubble underneath the surface. And it was pretty fascinating. It was, it felt weird, because obviously there they were uncovering stuff as they were making the documentary and stuff was happening. So they had to really like change a bit. But yeah, by the time you're done, you're like, Man, I don't feel bad for a single person in this fucking I don't care. Both people who were killed in this by the dad. Both probably killed other people. And you're just like, man, all these people are awful. There ain't no pearly gates for none of y'all. It's been fascinating. My wife's boss was totally obsessed with watching the current trial just ended sir. And Dean is like, I don't know anything about this. But I want to learn I want to just sounds like a great place to start. This would be a really good, really strong place to start. Because there's there's some really interesting stuff in there. And it sounds like there's a lot more and I don't know if the podcast explores more, but my friends out in the South have been having a lot of conversations about this. And I brought it up and I was talking to Mike about it. And he was like, Oh, I spent all Christmas talking about this with my family. This and that. And that moves. I'm like, Whoa, okay. So cool. Yeah, yeah. Fascinating stuff. The Murdoch murders on Netflix. Yeah. Well, I watched one that came across Star Trek. DMS from Glenn. Oh, thank you watched it too. Oh, we have a ghost. Yes. Have you seen this one yet? I still haven't. It's also nice. Ah, Kelly. You gotta watch. It's it's fun. It's a good feel good. If you're talking about a drains hits, I think it's age range right at the Kevin character right at that. 1618 year olds. 1617 year olds and it stars. What's his name from Stranger Things? Safe Harbor? Yeah, they've Harper plays. Of the ghost in it plays earnest. He's great. I feel sorry for the hair choice that gave him but they really wanted to do some physical comedy, but it's funny. I don't know if they needed it as a crutch because he has such great facial expressions. I always thought Dave harbor was leaning on this sort of attitude of his voice. Actors. Incredible. Yeah, he doesn't need his voice for a second in this film. He can't speak. So it's all that and it's. I mean, it's simple, great, straightforward stuff. This isn't breaking any new ground. But it's a fun watch. It also stars. The guy who played the new Captain America and the Falcon. Anthony Mackie Yeah, he plays the dad in it and good kind of a weird role. Weird role. He's a very unlikable character. But yeah, he does it. Well, he does it well. That is a weird role because he's always a very likable character. I was like, I'm surprised that he was willing to be like, Yeah, I'll play this shit show. But if you're just looking for a nice break from all the bullshit and things like last episodes movie you watch BDM are done with that just watch this. Just a nice fun happy little et style romp I'll I'll give it a chance because I haven't been able to watch anything but history of the occult lately over and over. So now that we're gonna be talking about it, I can start watching other films again. Oh, good. Excellent. This is why you only talked about comics. Nothing else up your sleeve. Speaking of which, why don't we take a break and then when we come back, we can talk about a film that I am completely obsessed with cool. develin you meet dodge demon. The brand new economy coupe. And if there's any fun around, demons gotta find it. seats five in solid portion aircomfort with one eye on saving and a wicked gleam and the other brand new demons. The way this spirit moves you. You can't afford not to be dodge material. Hello. Let's see who's called the strange aeons radio hotline. 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Okay, so this is going to be a little different than what we normally do or will all three of us have watched a movie and we're going to be discussing that and I tell you now, dear listener, if you have not seen this movie, pause the podcast and watch the movie we will be here when you get back it's less than 90 minutes it is a scant 86 minutes long something like that. I would never know it no idea. So the movie we're going to be talking about is called History of the occult so we all know you must be nosy Germanos it can be done fairly that you want to go inside and everybody got a cantina you don't think gear container container Monday so April 3 I sent the heck come in samosa investiga came up she's a systematic I made the they've been they've been they've been wanting to look illegal continuing America is the senior leader within a sector they think they're gonna train and Marketo and we're gonna see it mostly frankly tell you the data that it had told me Negro Barney goes attorney go Eternal probation Manila Manila you looking normal symptoms tumble Korean just say look up boys are females I will know the most important advice is to your dilution What can you say sea or brand new settlement or re establish was sent to us okay this movie is fairly recent 2020 There is no budget or box office numbers available. There is no Rotten Tomatoes stuff because this movie has been so under watched. There are not enough reviews to get it on there. It was written and directed by Kristian Ponce, who has 12 credits, including seven episodes of the Kirlian frequency 31 episodes of boy police upon arrows motorists adults, which is in our Jungian comedy crying TV series. I started watching I found the episodes of the Kirlian frequency on YouTube in various various versions of quality so like the first episode, crystal clear second episode very pixelated. But it's really a neat little animated show with cosmic horror the Egypt shows only about 11 minutes long it's really neat about a radio station in Argentina that gets these weird phone calls and you start realizing that this town is besieged by paranormal weird shit. Oh, cool. It stars okay. God damn these glasses. German buddy No. Who has 46 credits all Argentina films and TV shows. Everyone else in this has two or three credits all Argentine film. Yeah, TV series. There's nobody in here who is famous or anything like that, except for the main guy who is marcado Oh, okay. Gotcha. So, let me let me start you off with a couple of reviews so you guys know what you're in for. Okay. But 30 minutes on. These are IMDb user reviews, of which there are only eight. That's how under watched this film. So we'll design 23 He says 10 out of 10 cosmic horror at its best. Lovecraft meets David Lynch in this strange tale of horror. It's not the typical horror cinema where you know the monster monstrosity and the intentions it has for the heroes it is cosmic horror at its best. The questions the nature of reality and hence that the hand that rules this world blonde boy 2634526 says 10 out of 10 Oh my god, this is pure art. Watched at be afraid horror festival and bam. It blew my mind one of the best movies of the year. needed a bigger budget they would have made a masterpiece must to watch if you love good cinema. And be extra civic 18 One out of 10 the worst horror movie I've seen since Mother. This is just a bad movie from start to finish. Do not waste your time on this. A horror site that I usually agree with. This was amazing. So I gave it a shot. Hands down the worst horror movie in a very long time. If I could I give it negative 10 stars. I'll never get the 90 minutes I spent on this back. So not a patient man. Well, I'm gonna say that if you watch this movie, you are probably going to fall somewhere between those reviews. Oh, yes. Yeah, but that's how this thing goes. I think this is kind of a love it or hate it kind of movie. And I obviously loved it. I wanted to talk to you guys about it because I had been talking to Michael to Brownsville back and forth after I suggested it to him. And he was like, Well, what, what exactly happened at the end? I'm like, I'm not exactly sure I'm gonna do a rewatch and I did it. rewatching I said, Okay, I think this is what happens. And he was like, that sounds good. Then he did a rewatch. And we started comparing notes. And that's when he suggested that I make you guys watch it, and we do an entire episode about it. So let me just start off with the basics of this. And you tell me if this is kind of what you thought happened, then we can get into, okay, so it's 1987. Okay, looks much earlier than that. It looks like almost the 60s or the 70s. But it kind of feels like with the aspect ratio and stuff like that. And that telephone booth, that telephone booth is crazy. Sure, that's real. I couldn't find any other pictures of it, except that in an episode of the Kirlian frequency, there's an animated telephone booth that looks just like I think that's got to be when the telephone booth in that country look like I thought that it had to be a prop and made to look weird to know. I bet it's real. So it's 1987. Downtown Buenos Aires is gearing up for a huge protest set to begin at midnight for some reason. Yeah, and it is against President Belasco and his very unpopular economic practices. There's a television show called 60 Minutes to Midnight because it comes on at 11pm After the news. And for the last nine months, the producers of the show have been trying to prove that Glasgow has ties to a sinister corporation called the kingdom corporate, and links to corruption and even murder and this is their final episode they're being forced off the air. The final episode of theirs is being funded by a group called von Merkins, which is another corporation that has been pushing back hard against kingdom corporate 60 Minutes to Midnight has in their possession, a journal that implicates the Lascaux in a bunch of crimes and they have Adrian Mercado on formerly of Kingdom corporate, who has agreed to confirm all of the allegations against Glasgow in return for the show's producers, retrieving an object of his that he no longer has access to. Meanwhile, all the producers of the show are hiding out and in a safe house fearful for their lives Once this information is revealed. Also on the show is an Argentine senator, and the author of a book that pushes hard against Adrian marcato. I love all of the little stuff we're getting in here already. Adrian marcado is the name of an infamous witch that they talk about in the movie, Rosemary's Baby. Oh, from the 1800s. Interesting. Yeah, over the course of this interview, Mercado is going to reveal that he is a warlock, that Glasgow and the members of kingdom are a coven, and that they have made a deal with a devil or devils. So does this all kind of sound like the movie you guys watched? Yeah. I mean, I wasn't sure what the deal was because it sounded like I don't know. I was a little lost on that part. On which part the so there was this idea that the Coven that the world is going to end possibly a Midnight's right, but it sounded like his lord of the Coven didn't want that to happen. And they were doing doing something to make sure that reality stayed and didn't go away. But then was it ending or is it going to reset? It was going to receive? Yeah, I guess. But I don't. I was a little lost on all this part. I don't blame you. This. This is a dance. Yeah. The Yeah. I also did not realize until all the movie was almost over that they were in a safe house. I thought they were just back in a back room. Yeah. So why did they produce their show from this play house? As opposed to the studio? Yes. Right. The first time I watched it, I thought that also It wasn't until the second time that I realized, Oh, they're in a safe house. It gets mentioned. But it's one of the things that gets there's so much that there's a lot of you are reading and you're trying to read as fast as they are talking about incredibly difficult to understand topics. Very quickly. I was the reason why I laughed when I was like, this is an 80 minute movie is I overwhelmed. Things so often that I probably took about two and a half hours for me. Because I was like, wait, what do you say? What was? I'm sorry, what? Who are you? Okay, I'm just like, five minutes. I gotta go back. I rented it. While I was sick. I watched it the first time and realized when it ended that I had missed a lot. She watched it a second time because I had it for 48 hours. For this. I ended up just buying it. That's that's probably the third time and taking the notes. I realized I fucking know this movie completely now. Wow. I feel like I've got a good handle on it too. But it makes difference. I'll tell as just as the general discussion before we dive in fully on the meeting what I liked about watching it, and it floored me. You know, you get to the end of the movie. Sometimes you get to the end of the movies and if a movie is really good it's sitting with you and you're feeling it. And this one sat with me for a long time I'm going. I feel very, very uncomfortable. I feel disconnected from a certain kind of reality. It was just like, let's see, maybe I'll rewatch the last dance. Really, really? I, because I actually, when you first posted on Facebook, I started to watch it, right made it about 20 minutes anyway, I don't know if I'm really in for this film. And was going to go back and finish it later. But instead, you know, it's I just started getting to watch the whole thing. Which is the way to watch this movie. This is not a movie to pour into 20 minutes of watching and coming back to finish 20 minutes. No, you can't have your phone next to you. Now you gotta pay attention to this movie. By the way, I'm reading my notes off of the strange aeons radio journal that is now available on Amazon. If you were to look up KSA, our strange aeons radio podcast journal, there is a lovely journal available only $5. It is gorgeous. It's really cool. It's very cool. It's so good. Okay, so that is the basics of the film. I'll tell you what I loved about it. Obviously, there's a lot of cosmic horror going on, which is something that I really love. But as a filmmaker, writer, I have tried forever to figure out, you know, a one or two location feature film, and I just have never been able to, to figure that out. And watching this, I just got more and more excited by what this writer had been able to accomplish. There is there is a gigantic scope. In the three locations, there is the location of the studio, which is really just a set. We never see the interior of the studio or anything really going on there. And then two rooms of this safe house, and then an outdoor setting. Yeah, yeah. So there's this huge protests we keep hearing about. We don't see any extra sort of I don't think like that. In fact, the one person we see outside describes things like there's a car sitting across the street from me, but we never even see the car. Now. It's just heard a phone booth. And I was like, God, this guy is masterful. And it feels really of that time, too. They do a good job of placing you in that setting, because they just needed like a, you know, a cool can phone booth, some older costumes, to change the aspect ratio to set it in black and white. Right. Yeah. And to also have a couple of like old props around and it feels great. It feels totally authentic to a previous time. I don't know if I'm jumping ahead or if we want to do this later. But that'd be talking about iPhone at one point. Well, that is the that's the very end. Oh, you're right. Very God about the item that Mercado needs them to pick up for him. And I did not understand that. Yes. But he was getting an address. And I was like, item, what are you talking about? Like they give him an address because he can't get the address. But I don't know why they have the address and get the address to the phone. He has he can't get to that address anymore. He has been blocked naturally for you know what's interesting about that, too? And maybe it's because of the age of almost all the reviewers I read. I didn't hear it read a single review that mentioned this app. Well, I think that that's probably a good thing because it's the reveal at the end of the movie is that is when you realize oh shit. They're not in 1987. They think they're in 1980. But marcato is not yet. Oh, so yeah, this idea of what I was a little lost to on like what the world was and what the Warlocks world was I was like, why are the Warlocks like knocking on the door, but they're also inside already? I'm a little confused by Sir. Yeah. And also, I don't know if the warlock if the word Warlock translates to what we think it means as a as a demon or something like that. Yeah, I think so too. So, we get that Warlock word pretty early on when one of the guys comes to the safe house and they asked him if anybody saw him and was Was there anybody suspicious out there? And he says I didn't see any warlocks. And I was like, well, that's interesting. Maybe that is a translation. So they're sitting there waiting for they're watching the the show and they're waiting for marcado to say something that will allow them to kind of call in and start asking him some questions it none of it goes the way they want it to. So on the show the host the Senator and the author who has written a book on satanic panic, panic, Casa Tarraco, which I love, and marcado marcado starts talking to the senator. And this is where things get going, really where things get going is we see a commercial for the show, and it talks about visiting the beautiful Falkland Islands. I remember the Falkland Islands as a war thing. But I was also 12 when this is happening, so I didn't pay much attention to it or anything like that. But they're positing it as a as a place to vacation. Right. In the real world at this time, it was under British rule. And it was not a very nice place to vacation. Interesting. So that that would that would clue in an older viewer, I think. Then marcado starts telling the Senator, you know, he's asking him, how many kids does he have? And the senator says he has two kids. And Mercado says you have three kids, but you don't remember because you gave one of them away. And I was like, okay, that's that's an eerie thing to say. And the senator gets, you know, huffy and storms out. I mean, right, right, right. It's a, it's just a great scene that makes no sense. On Intel, another viewing? Well, it's very, it's really interesting, because he doesn't just say you have three kids, and you don't remember one, he then also follows that up with in the coming weeks, you will remember right? And it will eat at you and like all this stuff, you're like, Oh, fine. Yeah, he's like, because because your heart wants to grieve, but doesn't know why. It's really good. Right? Yes. Really good. And he also says, you know, I, I wouldn't, oh, how does he put it? He's telling the Senator, that he's just a man who has completed his mission. So he's just, you know, he's just a cog in this machine. And that's, that's pissing him off. And then the next commercial Is this one of the things I want to talk to you guys about now that we kind of know what's going on here. This next commercial is from the Child Protection Department. We've launched the for them forever project. And it talks about the main energy source that makes the world turn the children. Yeah, that was weird. Ah, the children are the energy source that make the world turn. Right. And so I'm like, Who? Who are these commercials for? I know that these two corporations know what's really going on in this world? Is it just for them to kind of snicker at or is it for the viewer on a second? Viewing to go out? Geez, you know, is that what it is? It reminds me of like, those 70s those weird, vague, 70s ads, that's like perfume or something it's like, for the person in your life to make, you know, a smile, like something vague and odd. And you're not even sure what the product is, whatever they're talking about, and that had that oddness lifestyle selling as opposed to product seller. Yeah, exactly. Like, but there was also a hint that kids are disappearing or night, maybe not even in this world anymore. Yeah. So I was also like, is this sort of like, the kids are going to this thing or this place? And that's where the children are, or this is maybe tricking people into thinking there's still kids around? Well, actually, there aren't any, I was a little confused by that. They're still kids. But the kids I mean, you know, when we get right down to it, the kids are being used as a sacrifice. And that is the deal that has been made with whatever this entity is, is children. But the people who are making the sacrifices, that memory of their child is wiped and the the world's memory of that child is also wiped. But as we're getting closer and closer to the end of this deal, people are starting to remember stuff like that. Okay, gotcha. So for some reason, also von mercans The other corporation, they've sent the group tennis rip. I was like, with the intention of opening their minds to possibly remembering some of this stuff. I liked it because this is another not Rosemary's Baby there, which is you know, that they do that in the in the satanic ritual where Rosemary gets pregnant. So it's also a nice way to to make the viewer say, Okay, well, they've started seeing some weird shit, but it's always after they've taken the test. Yeah, exactly. So you don't know if what they're seeing is actually real. So on the show, well, in the safe house, we're told pretty quickly that Mercado needs something an item that he needs the group to obtain for him and he is going to then give them what they want. Now it seems that what they think is he's going to corroborate the the corruption and possible murder ties and stuff like that. But they also, they know they're talking about warlocks. Yeah. Pretty early. But the News host, when the word warlock is mentioned, he seemed surprised. And I don't quite get that. Yeah, I'm not sure about where he was. He just easy just a host that isn't quite aware of much of anything that's going on, other than his show is ending. Well, the producers have a lot more knowledge, or is he trying to stand in for the audience and be like, huh, like Warlock? That is strange. You know, as far as like, right, I wondered is if he was putting on an act for the audience. It felt like that there were a lot of times where he seemed to kind of do that response of, okay, tell us more like very leading, right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, and so on top of that, then there's the girl, Natalia, who is out, she's not at the safe house, she's in town at a phone booth. She's waiting for the crew to call her with the address that they assume marcado is going to give them or the or the, the item she's waiting for. But she keeps calling her boss professor, which is very confused. Wondering translations. I think that's the subtitle of translations I've gotten. I don't think that's exactly what you meant. Right? Right. So when the author is finally introduced, he's written a book called Michelle doesn't remember anything. This should have been a clue to me. Instead, because I did not know where this movie was going. When he first watched it. There is the movie, or there is the book called Michelle remembers, which is one of the books that started the entire Satanic Panic thing. Oh, that's right. It is. It is about a girl who claims she was satanically abused and ritualistically abused and all this stuff through memory recovery therapy. Oh, it was all it all turned out to be a load of bullshit. Oh, but it got everybody talking about this stuff is happening in America. And it was one of the first things was like 1980s One of the first things to talk about this and really get us ramped up on the Satanic Panic thing. And I thought they were just making a, a nod to it. But now I realized that that book does not exist in this reality. We're watching Right, exactly the if instead of this book exam, right. Hmm. So So I still have I hadn't figured this out yet. For sure. The author claims that Mercado is a cult leader and Warlock. And marcato says, Yes, I am. And that's when the news house is like, you know, excuse me. Eddie tells a fairly creepy story about his grandmother initiating him. Yeah, I was like always your grandma do to you. So remember, the show was trying to link the president and the kingdom corporate to the death of this John Doe. At the beginning of the film, we see this guard come upon a person either who has just killed a body or doing some kind of satanic ritual. Now you guys probably didn't notice. And I only noticed on the third viewing that the aspect ratio is normal, like 185 in that scene, even though it's still black and white. Oh, okay. It doesn't go to the four three or whatever it is Intel, it goes to the safe house. And I think that what's going on is because the the guard finds the body and there is a man crouched above him, and then that man just disappears. Yeah. And the body becomes a John Doe. Right. No memory of him from anybody. And I think that's because the widescreen is the world before he was disappeared. Oh, that's, that's interesting. And a technical problem that hoopla has, because I'm watching the going why are the credits cut off on one side? Although they don't have the right the opening credits are cut off on the side. The beginning? Well, that's a bummer to hear about. If you do the hoopla thing then understand you're missing something. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird too. Because I almost said You know, I need to go watch this on Amazon. I'm like, Why did I think that? Oh my god. So yeah, I definitely need to watch that again on a day. rent. So this is where the journalist found that they've been talking about. And the really interesting thing about the journal is the host. That's why I think he's more than just a host because he, his team is the producers of investigators and all that. And he says, You know, I have always had my investigators keep very detailed diaries in a certain style, all that stuff. This diary is in that style. This guy claims to be part of the team, blah, blah, blah. But he's not part of my team. Interesting, because I do remember, like, watching the film, and all these people are like, oh, yeah, so and so worked for me or so and so was part of this, but no one seems to know who that person was or what they were doing. There's this memory gap, but they still remember enough to know this person existed. Well, no, because he he says, based on this diary, this person worked for me, okay. He's never worked for me. He says, clearly, this guy didn't work for me. But that's because the guy has been erased. Right. And his memory of them has also been erased. Yeah. So yeah, God, I love this movie so much. After the Tannen route, one of the crew discovers a rip in reality. Yeah, yeah. That was picking out. Yes. There's picking out and color starts coming through, which I thought was really interesting use of color. Yeah. Is it because they're getting close to the end of this deal that we're gonna find about or is it because of the tenon wrote? Yeah, and there's a lot of weird. There's a lot of creepy things that happen when you know, people are in rooms with just weird figures and shadows and things in the background. I love that the first time I watched it on the third time, I was like, this stuff is only put in here to give the casual horror fan something to go, oh, this is creepy. Because it doesn't need to be in there at all. But it does give you an idea that they're being closely watched or monitor yellowed. Or maybe another reality is just on the other side of the veil. Yeah, there is there's that great scene where the woman is standing at the window and she opens it and when she opens the curtain, you can see behind her a shadow of a man but there's nobody there. It's yeah, I mean, I I'm not saying it's not effective. I just think that somewhere the writer director was like, I gotta give some creepy things building up to this. Otherwise, it's just exposition. Yeah. I think it happened before the I think we pass the moment if we're not, we can keep going. But there's a bit where Maria hears her name being called and finds the tape. Is that a weird, creepy, scary word? And she never says, tells anybody about it. What she finds is like a Walkman. But if you look at it closely, there's no tape in it. It's saying her name, but there's nothing in that. Oh, yeah. I saw the Walkman. And I was like, Hi. I'm surprised. She doesn't say anything to anybody. Like, Hey, why did somebody record it feels like a trap. If you secure brought in here. And you were trapped. She does ask one of the guys, the guy who found the rib. She does say to him, you know, were you calling me out in the courtyard? He's like, no, she was like, Don't fuck with me. And why would I fuck what's interesting, too, is at that point, she hasn't taken any drugs. And she's the last to take drugs. So anything she sees that's weird or feels or hears. That's weird. It's like, you know, that's where you start to question whether or not this is a drug or if these things are real, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's also revealed at that time on the show that are not on the show in the safe house that that one guy is asking Maria, a question about the number of children people have. He's had a dream where he's heard the phrase, the future is over. And he can't figure out where that's coming from. But it keeps showing up in commercials and stuff like that. And he's got it in his head that this has to do with the missing children. And so he's asking Maria to verify how many children each person has. And she is verifying that she's he's got it written on a sheet of paper, and she knows how many everybody has. So so we've been introduced to this author and he starts talking about the the devil and film this is when I finally started perking my ears up because he's talking about the old man, Rosemary's Baby, and then he says, uh, uh, possessed Andrea de Baca in The Exorcist. And I was like, well, that's not who was in The Exorcist. And I realized, okay, so there's something going on here where they're not on, this is not happening in our reality. It wasn't until the third viewing that I decided to look up and see if Andrea Del Boca actually existed. She is an Argentine actress. She was a child actress in the 70s and 80s. She would have been the person who would have played Regan if if, as we find out when his areas is only Buenos Aires and there is no rest of the world. Oh, which is, which is what we're gonna find out here shortly. And marcado then follows this up immediately with asking the author where they live. And he says, When is Aries? Yeah. And he's like, and where's that? Argentina? And where is that? And the guy kind of stumbles? Yeah, he doesn't have an answer. He says the world. Yeah. So South America are right. And this is when I started to get really excited because he says, It's been four years since we stopped living in Argentina, let alone Buenos Aires. And the author asked him to explain that and he starts saying, you know, I couldn't explain to an aunt that this is a television studio, because it wouldn't understand what I was saying. So he's saying, you know, you're not going to get what's going on right now. Because you firmly believe what you believe. He said that I'm going well give it a try anyway. does start to kind of explain it and then the author kind of shoes him off and and then we get that amazing nosebleed scene. Oh, yeah, I've noticed I was eyes everything. And on the third viewing, of course, I was like, I'm firmly in the camp of this guy as a writer director is brilliant, right? So I pause it. It happens at the 42 minute mark in an 86 minute film. And this is called what Eric? I'm not sure it could take a few minutes to midnight, no mid act to reversal this. Okay, screenwriting 3x structure you have something happened in the middle of Act Two that twist the film and this guy, nails. Man, it almost? It sure does, too. Yeah. This is where everything starts to change. They take a phone call on the show. And to start off as a nice lady, who then says to marcato, who has no children. Do you know we fuck your whore daughter in every possible hole available? I was like, Oh, my lovely. And Ricardo lets everybody know that. That wasn't a human color. And I just love that it's got like shades of The Exorcist right there with you know, we're just gonna say filthy horrible things about your, your relatives and stuff like that. And I will say that this is kind of a slow burn up to this point. There are some creepy moments and it requires a lot of concentration to keep up. But right here, man, it starts cooking. Yeah. And complexity that's put in the early part of the film, sets everything up. And now you just go yeah, now you're kind of just holding on is there starting to be some weird revelations and visions and memories start popping up and everything. Mikado reveals that the world as we know it will end the dream will end he says and Glasgow doesn't want the dream to add Glasgow is the president. Remember? Alaska was also the name of Alaska come from I wrote it down somewhere here. Won't come across. Yeah. So now it's just after the author gets whisked away. Coming back from commercial break, and the host is like, we're told that his wife has been notified and he will be all right. Yeah. He wants everyone to know he's a okay. But that'd be that flash we get it starts as a nosebleed but that he's holding his face again. Or he's holding his hands against his face. And wherever the blood is coming from is like his eyes or something awful. Yeah, I love it. So Mercado then attempts to explain what's actually going on and all of a sudden the screen goes to static and they're off the air. Yeah. And this is when the crew decides to do their little seance type thing with the blindfolds and Maria takes a 10 and route finally, and Lisa some pretty cool and crazy visions and memories. The memories then go to an aspect change ratio change. And that's because that's the real world, or at least the real world of theirs before the other member of their team was raised. Because that's the man she's talking to Oh guy who wrote the journal that they have no memory. Oh, I was wondering who this guy was they kept interacting with I was like, Who is this dude? Right? And so he's laying out all of this stuff. And it's actually the information they need. They were hoping to get from Mercado they get it through the tenon ruse, which is what von Mertz was trying to make happen. Yeah, it's open their brains enough so they can remember the real world they get the address for this object that they're supposed to pick up. Yeah, and I'm I'm very confused by the people who have the bad during one guy. Ends up a big pile of ash. Yes. Oh, Yeah, so that's that's the cool thing and Maria's dream memory is she's talking to them and all of that stuff. And she looks around. And Abel, the guy who's been kind of running the crew the whole time. He's not in this memory of hers. And she says, Where's Abel, and Natalia? The girl at the phone booth who's in this meeting? She goes, who's able? And that's when we started realizing, Oh, shit. I don't think Abel was ever supposed to be a good person. When when he takes the 10 and routes, he's the one who started seeing the demons and all that stuff or the Warlocks I guess, and he's the one who gets the tentacle through the doorway vision. And he's the guy who somehow turned that guy to dust. When Maria wakes up, or it's actually not Maria, it's the the last crew member, Maria is holding her throat like it had been slashed. And she's still alive. She's killed Abel. Abel has turned the other crew member to dust somehow, because he's a warlock, I guess. I was, I think I forgot which one was able while I was watching it, and I was like, we were able seem nice. Yeah. I don't know that Abel even knew. He was a warlock. I feel like he was maybe triggered. Yeah, he's the one with the heroic mustache. Which one was the squirrely one, the like, nervous, tall guy. That's the one who finally comes out of the dream and sees Maria holding her throat and the guy in the dust. He was the one who starts at the beginning saying I didn't see any warlocks. Oh, was he the one who went to the camp? No, that was able. Okay. So I think whatever happened, he will keep saying or keeps not saying what he saw. Yeah, yeah. And I think that that's what Mr. created. Okay. All right. Um, I'm slightly worried. There's a lot going on. I know. letterbox you can look at the actors, right? Their character names. Oh, no. Cuz I kind of know who I'm thinking about. And visually, you know, but but it's also it's a very complex film. And it's really hard to keep track of like, why did that guy just die? You know? Yeah. Yeah. The the revealed memory is one of my favorite scenes, because it answers so much once you realize that the man that is talking is the one that none of them can remember. And I didn't get that until the second viewing. I did not get that at all. Yeah. So now they're running out of time. Of course, this whole thing is is a ticking time bomb scenario, and that they've only got until midnight. They don't realize this, but there's going to be a deal made and the world. marcato says the world will end. But yeah, what he means is the world will reset the deal will be renewed. Yeah. So the use of the 60 Minutes to Midnight. Every form of the counter right on that. pantalla classic Hitchcock. Yeah. So they, they start putting together their memories and everything. They realize that their memories are all fucked. They can't remember what year they graduated. Remember, he's asking Maria about the kids again, she can remember that. Nobody, nobody has the kids, but he's like, what year did you graduate? And she starts breaking down because she's been fighting the whole supernatural part of this mentally. And she's, she's like, Fuck, you're right. There is something horrific going on here. They realized that the children are being taken their sacrifice to the being in whose dream they're living right now. Right. So that was something I did definitely did not get was the the world they're in is a bad world and they should want it to end. Yeah, they want out of it's kind of a pocket dimension. Yeah, that just includes Buenos Aires. Yeah. So it is kind of interesting is like, is the real bonus errs still chugging along, side by side with this or what's going on? They've been totally taken out of reality into a right what is the rest of the world is going on? And Blizzard right? Yeah, that's that's a neat question. I have no answer for that. So to get Natalia has been waiting for this phone call, they get the phone call to her. The address, she rushes and gets the item. We don't see what it is. We know now that it's the iPhone. But when she sees it, she remembers. Oh, that's right. She realizes, Oh, this is not the real world that we're in. And we know that because she then gets in a cab and she's calling them and saying I remember everything. Tell them to stay on the air. I've got the phone and all that stuff. She doesn't say the phone but so marcado was explaining that Blasco has made a deal with these evil forces and he'll just continue to make the deals forever until we are all just dried up. You know, we're our our life energy sources is fueling this. This pocket dump Attention. So then Natalia shows up and the item is an iPhone. That's it. Yeah, that's the first time I watched it. I was like, Oh, well, so we're not even in 1987. And then there's another. Another big clue right after that he quickly calls his daughter up. And while he's confirming on television, all the charges against Blasco, he's asking his daughter to go to his bookshelf and pull a thin book, things we lost in the fire, which was a, a best seller from 2016. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And to read a word that is written on a piece of paper he had hidden inside. All of this is happening, of course in the last two minutes before midnight, which is when the new deal will be struck. And so Mercado starts to say the word and he's asked everybody who's watching it to turn up their TVs as loud as possible, so you can hear it from outside. And that's because you have to be able to hear this word to break the spell, I guess, and the word is cut off. But it then jumps from it goes to the last two surviving Maria and the other guy, the last surviving crew members in the safe house. They're hearing the explosions of New Year. They're stuck in this world that is made the deal again. We go to the studio, the aspect ratio has changed and we're in color. Yeah. And marcado is turned into a puff of smoke. He's, like pieced out somewhere. He's like, Fuck off, you know. And the host is looking at his hands. He's, you can see that I was like, Oh, shit, I mean color. This seems familiar. It's a really easy, neat effect. I mean, Wizard of Oz did it, you know, to show that you're in a different world. And then it's just the people within earshot who've been released because Natalia, we our final scene is Natalia standing there, and she can hear car horns and all of this stuff, and she's surrounded in color, and she's standing on the edge of the street. And that's where it ends. And I was like, oh, shit finally realized everybody who did not hear Him starts their new cycle of living in this fake. Buenos Aires. Oh, reset the reset the energy for right whoever heard the rest of the word, not just the first half, right? I feel like I understood 30% I loved it so much for the writing. You guys know my view on politicians. I think they're all incredibly evil. So this just really work fed into my feelings on on politicians in general. And isn't there a current corrupt politician called Blasco? Am I crazy? That would be interesting. Not that I was like, Oh, is this modern? Because like I thought there was somebody. Alaska was the name of one of the characters and Rosemary's Baby again, I think probably be the neighbor or something like that. And Glasgow is a is generally used as an evil name because that's the demon that Ileana from the X Men. That's his. That's right. Yeah, he was Glasgow, so that must be in in some biblical thing where that name is mentioned. Okay. I loved this movie. I thought it was fantastic, too. I want for me for a movie to feel good. I want to feel something from it. I don't care what that something is. It can be whatever. That movie supposed to be about you after watching Schindler's List, you should probably feel like shit. Sure. After watching Amelie, you should feel happy. After watching this, I think you should feel a little confused. A little curious? Scared? Weird. Vanessa, your thoughts on the film now that the spin explain but also like, when I I get to feel new to love this movie. I didn't hate it though. I think I just it was a lot to keep up with. And I knew there were some translation issues. And I wasn't always sure if something was being kept from me on purpose or through a lack of proper translation. And so my mind I think what's really impressive to me, is that because I didn't understand certain things, and my mind was just kind of warping to like, make sense of everything. And struggling to do that. I became I feel like I became like a character in there. I was not noticing the iPhone, I was not noticing that I was stuck in the world again. You know, like these are things that I think if you're catching on to the details, and you're in it, and you're in the know, you're like the characters were watching, but if you're not, then you're placed firmly with In that world, I don't know. It was really interesting. I feel Yeah, I feel a little bit like I would want to watch it again. I really don't feel like I have a good enough. I don't want to judge it. I think it's a very, very well done film. But finishing watching it. I wasn't like that was an incredible movie. And I totally understand why Kelly is making us watch this film. Because I did not like a weird film with a weird title. I started to watch and I really, really weren't really sure. And then going back and watching. All the way through. Oh, okay, I get it. Yeah, I, I mean, I consider myself a fairly smart viewer. And it took me three times to really grasp everything that was going on in this film, Mike Davis of the Lovecraft ezine. He saw it and knew exactly what was going on at the end of the first thing, I think, but he's much, much smarter than me. He also depends on your background. I think part of the reason it seeped into me and I I reached a lot of what you're talking about, not everything. You mentioned some things on Oh, okay. Yeah. But the overarching thing was, there was a period in the 80s where my mom was deeply involved in the New Age movement, and the New Age thinking and the the forgot the name of a Chandler, Chandler's the channelers who would stand up and speak like from Ramadan, whatever the names were, and very much in that, and there's a lot of that in this movie. Oh, yeah. There's tons of that shit. So it was the kind of stuffs like, oh, okay, I remember reading about this kind of idea this that we as energy beings, we have certain kinds of existence and we think we exist this way but we actually exist this so a lot of that was ingrained in me as a kid. So I cut a lot of that aspect of it, but the the mystery the way they put the pieces together and stuff about okay, whatever I missed, I know I've missed some stuff. Yeah, you've cleared up a lot of it with that. I definitely want to watch it again and good God Almighty, please let at least shout factory or somebody of their ilk. Get a hold of this and do some packed blu ray, because this would be fun to interview somebody I would love to hear an audio commentary or here that's that's the problem. There's interviews with this director and then I was really excited. They're all in Spanish. Yes. I was just like gosh yet because I'm sure he was explaining shit that I would like to know when you were talking about the IMDB reviews as well. Let's see it letterboxes. Everyone, I found it pulled up with Spanish gaff, I'll just pass on that for now. He needs to just submit that interview to like rev.com and for five bucks, get the translations just stick that I'll make you an SRT and stick it right on there for you to read. We'll see saw that, you know, there's not enough reviews to even give it a rotten tomato rating. The IMDb user reviews, there's eight of them. We did see that it was the highest rated horror film of 2021 on letterbox. So that tells me I hope that somebody's paying attention. It'd be nice to give this guy a budget. And you know, I'd be totally fine with an American remake of this by the same director and writer you know, there's a there's a fair amount of reviews for it on letterbox. Wow. Yeah, that is wow, that's a lot. But it's a 3.8 which on litterbox is pretty high. Okay. I don't I don't use letterbox but I mean, I can't wait to see what this guy does next. Yeah. You know, I, if this cost a million dollars, I'd be stunned. Yeah, no kidding. I, the only my only complaint was the tentacle effect, the digital tentacle effect, which looked cheap. And I think could have been pulled off fairly cheaply with a prosthetic tentacle like Rick Tillman. And Greg did those those things, I think a something that looked a little more real. You know, I don't know. But that's a pretty small complaint on a movie that, you know, you could complain about a lot of things in here, but you can't complain about the acting, which was really good by a bunch of people who are, you know, pretty loose. Were like theater major. Yeah. They were really good. Yeah. And the writing is, you know, maybe too tight. Because, you know, it all starts to make sense, but man, there's so much of it. Yeah, that you really have to pay attention to it. I just I mean, I've made it my mission to get this in front of as many eyes as well. First of all I think this is a really neat you know, first feature film from from somebody who has a lot to offer us too bad I mean screen boxes coming up it would have been nice if shutter or somebody a little higher on the arcade game did but I did read something I think HBO has picked it up that would be great yeah I just I can't say enough about this i i wish that I could write like this for anybody who says that like horror films are stupid or you know easy I'd say this is the smartly This is an incredibly smartly written well written well thought through intelligent film that well a lot of I mean, what's his name? He thought it was the worst horror film since mother but somebody somebody 22358 Look it does take work and there are a lot of people who do not want to have their phones give them work and that doesn't mean horror that means anything if this starts to spread out I can guarantee you the like the Joe Bob page will hate this film. Yeah, there's so weird no gore. No, it's literally just horror, the horror of you know, kind of peeling back the curtain potential. I even feel that you mentioned the tentacle I felt that was kind of a mistake. One of the few mistakes thematically made because all the other weird shit appears abstractly pretty much in the background and you see it but you don't quite know what it is. And look, here's a giant tentacle. You know, they had gone the route of in the mouth of madness when we see the tentacles under the door, you know, just ropey weird looking things instead of something that looked very much like an octopus tentacles. Right? Then that could have been way to get around it. But I'm certainly not going to tell this guy out to make a movie. I mean, I was pretty forgiving of it because they're all on drugs. Anyway. So what is real and what isn't real is already tough. I would totally do Tanis route with you guys. That would be fun. I don't know probably behind folds. Blindfolds, were there because you're supposed to do it. And like what are deprivation tanks or something? really deal with all of the horrors of your mind? No, thank you, but but I'd sit around a table and do it with you guys. And then we find out that Washington sits sits in his own little pocket and we're doing nothing I haven't suspected already. Cascadia Israel. Okay, guys. Who's got the next topic? Oh, she Yes. Was mine that I didn't even think about that. Oh, me we're gonna do Oh, that's right. You know how much I hate the fucking award shows and giving award for art and all that stuff. I do know how much you hate. Guess what? Yeah, that's right. We're gonna do an episode of the Charles Dexter awards and, and strange aeons radio pick our favorites from 2020 Till a long time readers, right of strange aeons magazine will remember that it used to show up in that magazine. Occasionally. Yeah, you know, the whole reason I decided to bring this back is sp Mycoskie, Miss kowski, who was an author that I liked very much. She sent me a message the other day saying, I still cherish my Charles Dexter award. And I wanted you know that and I said, Oh, the magazine hasn't been gone for a while. But I should bring that back. And she said, please do. So that's what we're going to do. This is kind of a spur of the moment thing this time, but I think next year, we'll set it up for the readers to or the listeners now to, to vote on and they'll award these, these fine, upstanding people and all that sounds good. Oh, okay. So we're doing that next week. Call in 253-237-4266. And let us know if you like this kind of episode. This is kind of what we do. When we go to the Live episodes, we pick one film, we all discuss it. Now this one I took the lead on because I loved it so much. Generally, it's a little more spread out. But if there's something you know, a particular film you'd like to hear us talk about, and you've got some extra cash in your pocket. You can send that our way. And we'll we'll do an entire episode on that film. If that's something you like, you can also let us know that you hated this and that's fair enough. Bring back the egg timer. People say all right, yes. So thank you for listening for liking and sharing posts. Like I said at the beginning of the episode, recommend this if you like, if you like what you hear and you think somebody else might like it. And if you watch it and get a totally different take on it or something we'd love to hear voicemail or a social media post about what you got out of this film because it sure has potential to be interpreted weird ways. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so thanks guys. 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