04 AMITYVILLE 4: THE EVIL ESCAPES
Well, we're back at it with the fourth entry in the franchise, the one with the haunted lamp! Poor Patty Duke, who had to star in this turd, and poor Steve Holetz, our guest for this episode, whose only experience with Amityville is THIS flick!
The Amityville Horror, 3d Silence strange aeons radio presents The Amityville Horror Picture Show. That's Eric over there I am Kelly, we are your hosts on this increasingly strange tyranny of the Amityville film franchise. God damn, let's go itself which there are 50 some entries. As of this recording Everybody, please turn your phone off. There are so many episodes or there's so many movies because the Amityville murders of 1974 are public fact and there is no copyright on the name of Amityville. So anyone can make a movie with Amityville in the title. Each of these episodes features a revolving door of guest hosts and today I am thrilled to introduce Steve Hall. It's of the bone bath film festival as our Amityville The evil escapes. guest host two What's up, everybody how you guys doing? Fantastic. So nice to get you in here. Finally, Steve. It's good to be back man. Why don't you take 30 seconds and brag about yourself a little. Okay, Eric, you're gonna start the timer. Kelly runs a timer. Oh, that works. But we don't do timers in this one. Yes. blurbing for themselves. We really should have had a timer for when mica was yes, yeah. It'll all understand what he's talking about there. Right on. I'm Steve Hall. It's close to the bone bat show and comedy of horrors Film Festival. I also occasionally play in a band called social media. And I watch a lot of movies try to see a lot of live music. And very cool. Tell us about the bone that Film Festival. What is that? What is it that is a the world's only dedicated comedy horror film festival? We've checked? We do we've done 12 instances of this event which took place most recently on April 22. And at the SIF cinema Gyptian which was a big thrill for us. Yeah, very cool. And yeah, we are 13th edition will probably take place sometime end of April next year. It's a full day event featuring comedy horror shorts from around the world a feature to add also live music which is a big factor in doubleback show itself so we wanted to carry that over. My favorite part of the show for the festival is because he read my own festival say a lot of these shorts, the live music, it always disappoints me a little bit that a fair amount of the people exit during that part because for me that's the truly unique aspect. You put on a great show you put on incredible shorts and there are a lot of fun. And I was one of my favorite festivals I think I've been to every I've been to every one and but the live show is the part that I love the most that's the part that is like I could go in eventually probably with take a lot of effort hunt down all the shorts or whatever eventually but I'm never going to see the pine for the pine box boys are this year the ghost riders who had GoGo girls dressed up like mommy's and like video presentation for clips from something weird video behind them while they were playing like it was just so perfect for our festival then such a cool live event you'll never see again to your point you know that that really makes it helps to make this event unique. Yes plus you and garden give out more shit than any other festival I've ever seen. And if you're interested do the Kickstarters because Steve's enormous package is well shared and really good. Wow. Holy cow. I mean I'd heard that but I didn't think we were going to start talking about this. How long is the musical portion of the festival? Usually it runs like a 45 minute set. The pine box boys sort of do two different things they do their kind of evil bluegrass thing and they also do kind of sort of Tin Pan Alley jazz tunes under Lester T Ross graveside quartet that name so in the past we have if they come we'll break it up into two sets and let him do a graveside set and the Pied box boys said that is always a lot of fun. Yes. are so good. Okay Steve with every show We ask our guests what their Amityville origin story is so when when you first become aware of this is so funny Eric Eric's like hey, do you want to be on the anime? Amityville podcast? And like, I don't know anything about avatar bill. I don't know why you're asking me but so I mean, I grew up we're of an age where trailers on TV for Amityville Horror. I was aware that Lois Lane was in it. Yes. And then later on I, my one of my first work experiences, I worked for years and years of Waldenbooks. So during that time period, I shelved an awful lot of Amityville and a lot of Hans holes or a lot of these characters who surround the Amityville universe, but I've never read a book. And I had never seen a film until this film. You're kidding me. You've never seen never seen I hadn't to this point. Because at this point, I was like, Well, do I watch the first three, and then watch this, and it amused me to just go in cold. So I may watch it after the fact. And I've actually listened to all three episodes of the podcast. So I know pretty much what happens because I like to listen to you guys. But I have not actually seen the films so then you also know that there's no reason for you to really watch. You're fine. One and done. Maybe the second one. So glad you watch Part Five the next episode. We're trying to figure out who we're going to get for a guest for this and I think it's going to have to be like Tony or somebody who likes us because if we just come out with a favor for this one, we're going cold into this movie. You're gonna be like, Fuck these guys. Right? That's funny. Well, the movie we are talking about today is Amityville. The evil escapes from 1989 here it is your father it's gone. Trip maybe it's slaying? This is underway. Yeah, that's why it's perfect. Oh, damn. There was a standing lamp in this room. What happened to it? Sold a gem? Would anyone have a record and Elon must have money to burn this big all the way from Long Island dozen years ago, evil was simply a concept in my mind. But how Shunammite de Ville has changed that concept to reality forever but 300 years no one has lived on that ground without tragic consequences. Now I believe that the evil in that house could trance migrate into that land. I saw daddy last night it was a dream or another house or another person at the earliest opportunity they shouldn't mess with the disposal once you've secured the switch definitely got some jam down here can machines too evil is searching for souls. And it will trans migrate into the most vulnerable person in its environment. This house and all who are homeless? It is the fourth entry in this franchise I guess although it's hard to I'll never link any of these movies to any of the other movies. This is only 10 years after the original came out. Seems weird. Yeah. Still continues to do for movies. That will not be the case as we get into these 10 months to do 10 movies. It currently sits at 13% on Rotten Tomatoes. It feels about right to me. Yeah, sure. You go with it. No budget or box office because this was a made for television movie. And it was Neff work television. It aired on NBC on May 12 1989. I'm not gonna ask if you saw it back then Steve because I know you did not. I did not either. When did you finally see this? For this podcast? Yeah. Last week. I watched the Amityville as talked about before so I won't say it again. But my dealing with Anna Ville was better enough that I never watched another Kenyan. That's pronouncing it more how it's spelled are Amityville is the island where the sharks are I don't know. That's that's how I know. That's Amedy code. This was written and directed by Sanders Stern. He was the screenwriter of the original Amityville Horror. He has 32 accredits almost all television shows and TV movies. But that makes sense because remember the original Amityville Horror or as Eric likes to call it, Ella Ville that was supposed to be a made for TV movie. And they liked the look of it enough that they went in reshot made Margot Kidder shorter boobs and put it on theater. So can you just fill in for me? Did stern have anything to do with two and three now? So this is the first one that had the writing continuity to some extent, from the first film that is a generous way of putting I would say that as well. We'll talk about that in a minute. I'll just say this about Sandra stern this same year 1989 He wrote and directed a really cool little creepy movie called pin that a lot of horror aficionados like about a a anatomical doll. That's a pretty good one. Yeah, it's hard to believe it came from the same guy. It's also claimed to be based on the novel Amityville The evil escapes by John G. Jones, which is a collection of short stories of items that were auctioned off from the Amityville house. They are all evil. Of course, you go. This bears no resemblance to any of the stories from that Amityville, the evil. There was no there were no lapse in any of the sub stories in the starring and this was weird Patty Duke. In some ways, I think that this this film actually works better as a fucked up episode of the patty Duke show. And as a member of the Amityville Horror, I wish it was called the patty Duke show. The evil escapes. It would make sense. She has 140 credits, mostly television, including 106 episodes of the patty Duke show. She was also in the TV movies nightmare. And look what's happened to Rosemary's Baby. Which was a sequel, a made for TV sequel to Rosemary's Baby. Really, really bad. The awkward title of the team from Look who's talking, which is really I don't know what Bruce Willis was doing in this film, but I guess he was looking for a paycheck demon voice Janeway it is also in this she has 93 credits. She was in strange conquest house by the river and the treasurer of medical bay Zooey trilling is in this she's 26 credits. She was in Dr. giggles night of the demons to and leprechaun three. Okay, on Zoey Trilling, were you guys both amazed at how much she looks like Natalia Dyer from Stranger Things she looks a lot like her. But I have to admit I am I am not attracted to either of them then they share this this weird kind of look. They I wouldn't say they're traditionally attractive girls. I don't know that your attractiveness to them as anything to do with them being resembling each other but okay, but that creates a a network of similarities that are recognizable, right. I you know what, here's the thing. I didn't place why I was so attracted to her. until just now Steve. So thank you for that. I'm glad I can help you build that down. made it happen. And then Aaron Eisenberg is in this with 27 credits. He's been in house three puppet masters three and for you nerds out there. 47 episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine as the Frankie nog. Okay, the NASA criminal you know, I don't know, but probably not. He passed away. Oh 2019 At the age of 50. Wow. It's still plausible, but probably not like probably not likely he was doing the convention circuit and everything he has had. He was born with, like only one kidney or something like that. And he's had health issues all his life and, and finally he passed away. It's getting weird as I get into my 50s to see people pass away at the age of 50. And because I'm sure at 20 I was like 50 He lived a long life. And now I'm like 50 don't seem like that. Let's get into the story on this boy. Kay, this is fucking wacky. On a dark and stormy nights six priests enter the infamous Amityville Horror house and go in to exercise it like they put a a posse of priests together and said we've just had enough of this house. I love that idea. I thought that was kind of fun. I was just like, I want to see the meeting that happened prior to this. Yes, exactly. Where there's an Amityville story for you. Oh, oh, by the way, I'm gonna be pitching three Amityville films at the end of this episode. So I want you to all I may have hoped for that. Oh, well, we'll come back to oh my but just just talking about this. So to your point the six priests go into exercise the house and get their asses beat. Oh for sure. And the reason they get their asses beat anybody should know this. From King diamonds. Abigail you always sent seven priests. Oh pixie easier to manage find the devil is six and God is seven never if you want to get a sandwich fucked up sin six priests to make the sandwich. That's not gonna work. I should have known this. I was just listening to striper and it should have been on my radar. It was not like fundamentally they just were going about it wrong. Well, let's before we even get into that, let's get into the fact that at the end of Amityville, three, the house explodes. Yes. So yes, okay, I've got an explanation for this. So this either takes place before that because the house is empty. All right, yes. stuff in this one. And in three he goes in there and the house is empty. So first of all, you guys I have watched all of these movies now. a shit ton of times and I live Amityville Horror, you can see that I have an Amityville Horror replica house here with the light up windows on the top. The other thing is this Amityville 1992, which is episode six. It fucks with time and we will find that the clock from that can change everything and maybe the clock is what brought the house back from being exploded. Not sure why not? One of the priests his father Kibler. Frederick lean, just seems like he could have spent a little more time on this name. It's, I don't know he. He is upstairs and he starts blessing the room and there is a lamp up there. I guess you call it the weirdest looking lamp I've ever seen ugly fucking lamp. It repeatedly told that through the end of the movie, how ugly it is. It's shaped almost human like it's got to appendages that come off a big huge globe at the top. Sort of looks like a tree. Yeah. Yeah, I don't get it. I don't know why it would have been in the house to begin with, or why this couldn't just be a cool old looking lamp instead of this thing. But the one thing I loved is, it's like the House decides to put all of its energy into this lamp through the cord. And that little ball of energy goes through it. I was like, how do I go like a rat going through a snake? It's hilarious. It's not the only time that that that image comes up in this film. No, right. Yeah, I think that it's a really cool effect. Yeah, it's a great device. What a weird idea. It conveys what you want it to convey. Absolutely. It's like they took like a boulder like a marble. You know you call a boulder and what they call them anymore. And it's stuffed through something to create that effect. But I have a soft hose and they throw it through with like a fishing line or something like that. Yeah, I don't know. I loved it though. Yeah, we talked about the lamp. It's it's got the two arms it also in bulbs. It is. It's distracting. And how stupid looking at is. No, yeah, yes. I'm not sure if we're supposed to believe that. Like, everything in the house has suddenly just gotten evil by being in the house. Well, how could you be if you didn't plug it in? Like lives? According to the world the world's own rules. To evil toaster. Yes. Evil potted plant? Maybe not. Well, then you haven't watched Amityville 1992. I have not clearly is not a plug in clock. It's a it's a big, just a mantel clock. Okay, twist to wind oldstyle Clark know how the evil got in there. I think that it just kind of emanates from the house and gets in. Because Moses didn't go like like a plague. I would have liked any backstory on this lamp like the guy who made it maybe 100 years ago, trying to figure out the log. Yes, exactly. Like anything to show why this stupid lamp looks like this that I made this for my daughter, you know, and then she was accidentally electrocuted by it. And now her spirit lives in or something? Anything? I am Groot, and I am a lamp. Yes, he does look like a Groot lamp. Once this energy goes into it, the this very stupid demonic face shows up in the bulb. And we're gonna see that with eyes coming up again. And Kibler is thrown across the room. I'm not sure what they're implying here if the lamp was just a normal lamp until the house put his evil into it. I think who knows. I have no theory on that. Well, because later we're going to find out that they all feel that the house is clean now. I was like, okay, so it just all dumped itself into the lamp and then that big old marble was all the evil. Yeah. So a few days later, the real estate agency decides to have a yard sale. I'm just going to interject on that. Really. The Amityville house yard sale. You know who's gonna shop that? Not Most people. I think that you get a lot of looky loos in there and looking for you know this, this lamp has little blood splatter on it, I'm definitely taking that. But otherwise I don't get it. And I don't I don't get the idea of people rummaging through a yard with all of this stuff and I don't know when the last time you were at a garage sale was but if you saw a lamp and it said $100 on it, you would just pass but you had these two elderly ladies in their best Eropa size costume. A row besides parkas oddly. And they they're they're shopping like you do and the one lady wants to send it to her sister as a as a gag gift. That's what I mean she talked it down to I think $50 or something or 75 but and then you're going to spend what $300 or more to ship that stupid. Here's the other thing you never talked about is that somebody at some point is constantly moving this 300 pound lamp up and downstairs. You've got two houses people almost exclusively by elderly ladies. I'm not sure how that happens. Steve I'm going to get back to this claim of a 300 pound lamp towards the first one I'm I'm so just angry at this storyline Now Sandra Stern is a well respected writer of television he should know all the rules and everything this whole idea that they're going to have two ladies who are really unconnected to the rest of the story. Buy this lamp send it to somebody who's going to now have the story of the lamp Why can't this person just buy the lamp bring it to their house her daughter is the one who's coming in it's just why why this extra moving piece fill time for this slot they needed for TV but that you could have done better than that for what you needed to do maybe their set house was in California their set house definitely isn't Yes. But that doesn't stop any of the other movies which were also set houses in California Yeah, yeah. Just got to build the facade of the Amityville house like you know we've got right here on the table and exact put that anywhere you want Mexico City while checking out the lamp, the lady cuts her finger on it. And it is something where I guess I would say Oh, I'm going to have that part destroyed or sawed off or you know filed down or something like that before I mail it to my also elderly sister and having had I grew up in a house where my parents brought back like wrought iron lamps and furniture from Mexico Yeah, all of them were in the 70s every bit of furniture had like these black metal spikes on it you can cut yourself seven different ways from Sunday that was totally normal back then. That was before we save a fight everything how did your younger brother die really tripped and fell on Oh yeah. fell on the lamp. I remember my brother had one of those I'm sure it was from Mexico one of those like miniature shields with tubes crossing swords and like a mace an actual Morningstar mace hanging from it and everything. It's like what the fuck why would you give that to your kid got hit with it. Let's see what happens. So she she cuts her finger on the lamp you know before she mails it off and over the course of the next day or so the finger gets so infected shit and so bad that the delivery boy like, like jam. Terrible that you get that looked at it? Yes. She will later die of this wound. Tetanus that's what the doctor says is tetanus. What was evil tetanus? But he wasn't familiar, I guess at least in Amityville. Three the chick there gets impaled in her car everything this death I'm not even sure I feel like we can counted towards the body count of the house like death by tetanus. Yeah, death by mysterious circumstances would have helped that better. Right. And the lamp arrives at her sister's house on the same day that her sister's daughter Nancy and her three children. Amanda, Brian and Jessica move in with her. The dad in his family just died and they need a place to say also, I don't know there's so much overriding going into this story I'm not sure why we have to complicate everything this way. I do know that you know Jessica the little girl is going to start thinking that the lamp contains the soul of her father and stuff like that. So that needs to be in there. But all of this is just there's just so many extra moving parts in the story that need to be there the venom her mom has towards her with the marriage and I was like what what is the point of this? Yeah, nastiness. It doesn't move the start doesn't do anything for the story and just makes the grandmother look like a horrible person. She really is the bit His grandma in the world just complains constantly about baking a lot of cookies is grandma. No, no, I already know that I hate her because she has a bird cheese and I fucking hate people who have birds. I'm like, Look, cats and dogs are fine. Once you get into flying animals, I feel like you've got something that you want to prove to people like look at me. A little cooler than people who like cats and dogs, and just really annoys me. I'm a horrible Insomniac and I want a lame excuse for why I can't sleep my bird kept me up at night again. Everybody thinks the lamp is hideous and including the other animals in the house. Yeah, the bird Fred goes crazy when it's turned on and the cat pepper goes crazy. Yes, I just with every movie I'm angry or an angry at this podcast idea. You can lean into it a very seven films and counting. Is that right Dean? The plus you're subjecting yourself to multiple viewings well, because I don't want anyone to feel like I didn't give this the the respect it deserved. Okay, so before you claim that the cat's name was underwritten, our cat's name is pepper. I just want to lay that out on Front Street. I before you insult me, I said my family. I said nothing about Kathleen Kapur and I'm not even sure if it's pepper because in the IMDB the cats not listed. Also gladly, yeah, clearly this was under the table after but also they seem to be calling it pepper. So I'm like pepper pepper. And in the articles I read there was one Pippa and while hepper and I decided that pepper is not a word. And so it probably is not the name. And it sounds similar to a real word. So I'm going with pepper. Sure. And of course the little girl seems to be drawn towards the lamp. So the next day, Fred is found in the toaster. And the toaster is right. Yes. I'm not sure how he died because he's not toasted. No. And I don't know if he's not toasted because this is network television. Or what they're trying to say. If the lamp is just a real asshole, and it's like get scared of the bird to death, but I'm also going to hide him somewhere where you can be crushed. Makes no sense to me. Oh, wow. Everybody starts talking about how the appliances in this house are going crazy. But nobody says How did the bird get himself into the toaster then if nobody did? It just flew headlong. It was a suicide. It's never brought up. You don't think it wasn't the daughter? Well, there's she exceeding but I mean you won't get to it but she's affected by the lamp. She absolutely is. Now I suppose that could be the the thing that they want us to draw conclusion to but then they should have gone Look, everything else in this movie is super obvious. They should have done a little look on her face. Like, you know something like look at the camera. Like what I did was weird note that I watched this movie. You know there are blue eyes. And then there are those kinds of weird blue eyes that are sort of freaky. Nate foster blue. Yeah, almost everybody in this movie has a version of those. They're all freakishly blue eyed. Except for the little girl of the youngest daughter is like brown eyed and like set because she's gay or greenish brown or something. I don't remember, but it wasn't that weird blue. But everyone else. Look, I'm gonna come out and say it. Everybody in this movie is weird looking. That's accurate. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, they're just you know. I know it's 1989 so it's not the high waisted jeans that are bothering me. It is their faces. Their faces are freaking me out. Except for Brian's recipes. He will be missed. Also, grandma has a housekeeper. This interest introduced she's not thrilled about the lamp. And I really thought they missed the boat. It's 1989 so racism is totally allowed. How come she is not the racially magical housekeeper that has like some kind of voodoo passed or something you know? Or a Mexican woman who's got some kind of Santeria or you know, all of this stuff completely missed. This is the whitest movie in the world. Yeah, that's true. There's nobody have any color. It is heavily female though. That's a good point. Very female cast okay. So the handyman is assistant shows up and the daughter clearly has a crush on him and distracts him enough to get his hand mangled by the older guy. to dispose the older daughter Yeah, at this point I kind of thought that the the amount of Gore was surprisingly robust for a TV movie from 1989 I felt the same way to when I when I first saw this was made for TV. I thought it must have been like HBO or something. But no NBC or NBC. Yeah, I thought, you know, I remember watching this. I had moved back from LA, but I did not remember it being a movie. That's the other thing it doesn't seem like the movie I watched at least didn't seem like it has a commercial break spots, you know, where you see, they think it did get a rerelease on video and get got an R rating. And I looked at our rating on it. So I don't know. If they would have added something in and gotten oops, we maybe we should have not put this on TV or whatever. But I'm sure it's more just a marketing ploy. Or maybe it was one of those late night movie things. They showed it only after 10pm or something like that. I don't know. I could recall. No, I remember it being you know, regular time. It might have been, I don't know might have been nine o'clock or something like that. But it I know. It is violence. It's not nudity. I was gonna say you know, they could have they could have thrown in a little little nudity there. But given that our choices would be underage women or a women over the age of 40 Then maybe we did well. Patty Duke Oh, although you know what Patty Dukes boobs would have probably brought in a lot of yours. I think there's two things I love when this kid gets his hand mangled. The blood splatters all over the daughter is pretty fantastic. And also she screams and makes no move towards the switch to turn it off. She just screams while the kids in fairness, she just moved in. There's a lot of switches around. She doesn't know what switches. We just watched us in there flipping the light on and off while the guy's hands getting queued up into the garbage despoiling, just watch the kid tape the light down. I like that. He's like you always tape this switch down. Like you do. No, I've never heard that. Anything now you could turn the fuse off or something like that. But you tape the switch down because it might accidentally come on. What if this switches down in the up position? It's screwed up, then I suppose you're supposed to attempt to use this switch first and then figure that out? I would hope so. I don't know. It's obvious. Did we? Did we skip the chainsaw thing? Or is it I have? Order? Let's see. Did I skip that? First that happened? I think the chainsaw thing does happen before that. Yeah, the kid goes down and pretends to play with the chainsaw. Chainsaw comes to life. So dumb. It's so ridiculous and fun. It's it's quite bad. And it's also one of those Evil Dead two hand possessed moments where he's clearly making the chainsaw do everything but acting like the chainsaw. Self. It's what do you what do you love so much about? Oh, it's just because it was so ridiculous. And then the lady the grandmother come down and yelling it. Yeah, Betsy appears to lunge at her with the chain runs towards her. She avoids by ducking and then he cuts like one of the beams of the stairway out. If I was going to come back. That wasn't a load bearing beam. I guess. Was not. But it was so long. It was yeah, it just kept going and going. He saw I saw these now. I need to stop this now. I need to try to stop people. And he sold about four cords of wood. Yeah, they are set for winter. Now. It's I mean, I thought that the evil chainsaw was a bad, right? Yes. Because that's why it was just dumb and ridiculous and cracked me up. Which is you know how I watched most of this movie? I guess that at this point. I'm completely on bitchy grandma's team now. Because it is impossible to believe that the chainsaw started by itself and then you know, why not just drop it then? Yes. So listen, you know, I was trying to help you guys out but you can't live here anymore. I can change my basement. It's kind of a deal killer. Yeah, I mean, I didn't mind you killing my bird. I'd only had him for a couple of years. Those fuckers live forever. The destruction of my basement via chainsaw seems like a good enough reason to kick you out. And it's never really broached again. No, it is broken again because they start saying all the electrical appliances in this place are going crazy. The gas power chain is part of the electrical appliances. Yeah, I'm guessing well because we do see that the evil of the light bulb does go into the house he has got the bar the cable bar on the reverse shot of the previous signal. Yeah, I have it was it wrong then to make the assumption that Sandor started didn't really do a lot of handyman work around it. Not really super firm on how different appliances work chainsaws and things like that. Keep a chainsaw in the base, you maybe had a handyman or you call the guy, well, nothing went wrong. Other things are going to start happening where you realize that the evil has no bounce. That's true. It is not a slayer with no boundaries. It has. It's not stuck in this house. So let's see. Oh, after the kid, so grandma comes back from the hospital after dropping the kid off there. And the daughter and the granddaughter is sitting there and she says he'll live and the granddaughter starts weeping, you know, in relief. And I'm like, Yeah, well, I mean, he Yes, he has lost a hand a lot of people lose hands and live Yeah, it's not the type of thing I would be going will he live? It's like you know, are they going to you know, He'll never play piano again. That's what I wanted to hear. We couldn't reattach it. Yeah, no shit I don't think they pull up a finger something won't but yeah, well, there's the pipe later they emptied out the trash. I'm sure after into a bucket and took that to the doctor with Yeah, so Nancy calls a plumber to fix the pipes. Because the the Okay, finally coming back to the original movie. The pipes are full of some kind of black goo. Yeah, there you go. And that feels like you know something from the original Amityville Horror at least. So not just the electricity in the house is going to infect the entire house. But the plumber the lamp murders him by drowning him in sewage. Okay, so is it just me or was this entirely slow motion avoidable death? So Lucio Fulci ask why you think they'll blood and tarantulas across the floor and just lying there catatonic. Like, you can totally got die from this. If you just literally did anything, Steve. I think you're forgetting that the wood beam falls on his chest and pins him in place sorta. I don't know. I feel like I was not convinced by that wood beams placement. Well, it's it's one of the things it's one of Eric's least favorite tropes. It does seem like he could have been fine if he had turned his head to the side and closed his mouth. Yes. Yeah. I didn't like the pipes bulging in the same way that the court bulged earlier. I did like that pipe effect that was actually worked. So you know, all of the effects seem to be kind of informed by Bugs Bunny cartoons but didn't a hand come out with the Guti? Yeah. There was a whole hand. Okay, dude. But yeah, that was totally luteal full CI just how slow motion and then gloppy the death was I liked that was maybe my favorite death in the whole thing, just because it was ridiculous. Well, this sets up the scene that is my favorite scene, because then the van or the lamp possesses the plumbing van and drives it away. Make them think that he has left and like this is brilliant. And I will be coming back to this at the end of this because I want to know how far this man went. So of course, we've through this whole thing. The youngest daughter Jessica is drawn to the lamp, she started to believe her dead father's spirit is inside of it. And this is kind of definitely the Amityville playbook. It plays with your relationships and loved ones. And so I'm kind of like i i buy into this as far as continuity. That aspect is through a through line. Yes, yes. That's, that's the nicest thing you've said about this. And meanwhile, Father Kibler, I love my wife says resembles a young ship, what's his name? Your clothes, and if something is in anything, see, we're extra experts on this show of forgetting someone's name. So he did remind me of someone and I can play sensations of the Body Snatchers, Donald Sutherland. Really? I thought, yeah, that is not who I would have said that's interesting, huh? I liked that. They wasted their time making this guy a good looking priest and then gave him no kind of romantic interest with the wife or something like that. It's like why can't this guy just be someone with a little more age so that we feel like he's got it's worth being invested this heavily in this thing because he can't stop thinking about the evil of the house. And he's been investigating which all results in the lamp giving him a crank call and then melting the phone's handset. It is excellent stuff. Listen to this. It is literally the most amazing piece of evidence of evil. There is a witness to it with him. But nothing is ever done or said about it again. Hey, you remember that time that phone melted wonder what that was? Weird. Yeah, well, that's what you think. But you don't know that the melted phone is in the Annabelle Museum of evil. Now right. Perfect. That ties back into the warrants and you know who investigated the case right? Fucking hassles. So Father Kibler travels to California to warn the family. This is a we're getting into the third act of this movie. Yeah. When most of the family is away, the lamp murders their housekeeper. And so strangles are with its core heights are in a closet. Well, I think it's just up the attic. Right? Yeah, but probably because they've moved it into the attic. And oh, yeah, because she was 300 pound lamp. It's so easy to move. I'm going to come back to your 300 pound claim, Steve. Because they do act like this lamp is very heavy. Yes. The police show up they investigate dissection and a heart attack. But I asked you when you're strangled by a chord don't you generally have like strangle marks around your marks? Yeah, you would think Yeah. To go with bloodied knuckles and all that stuff. I I really wished that these cops were like in on it somehow. And that they come there they see like the marks around her neck and was like, Well, clearly a heart attack. There's a shot as they walk into the house and one's got the Amityville original Amityville book paperback back pocket. Oh, this might be. Father Kibler contacts Nancy, and trace convinced her that evil has taken possession of the lamp. This is the scene where I thought we were going to get some kind of like a romantic thing when they kind of meet well first See, he goes there the little girl invites him in and then he can't make it in throws up. That's also a nice Amityville trope is the priests who are vomiting because the place is so evil. Then he meets the mom at like a dinner. Oh, yeah. And I wanted it to be like, you know, sparks flying or something. You know, forbidden love something because when you think of Patty Duke, you think sparks? Well, I haven't. Okay, he got me. I just like okay, they've made him a young handsome priests. She is, you know, single all of a sudden. Ladies got needs. That's right. Waiting for Eric to make some kind of joke about how he wouldn't be attracted to a of age woman. By age I am. I'm past all that kind of thinking. Are you talking about? So this is I mean, Eric and I went to the same film school. This is how you know, we're in the third act of any movie as everybody is running now. So they rushed home, only to find that the lamp has completely brainwashed. Jessica, right. And they run upstairs to I guess what's supposed to feel like a exorcist or poltergeists kind of ending where things are moving by themselves and all that stuff. And she the little girl literally floats towards the priests like, you know, The Evil Dead demons or something? And then stabbed him in the shoulder? Yeah, random. It was also like, Steve, a slow motion easily avoidable stab I think I think he could have moved out of the way. No. little girl's floating towards me and has a knife. So there's all sorts good stuff going on. The priest is trying to exercise the lamp. Everything's going on. Grandma comes and saves the day by doing what Steve? did. She unplugged the lamp. She grabs the lamp, she easily picks it up. She found a picture. This is not a 300 pound lamp. And then it turns into a 300 pound lamp again because it wraps its cord around the priest and starts dragging him like, you know, Captain Ahab and Moby Dick. Right? And so all of a sudden this lamp that she could easily throw out the window is heavy enough to drag him across the floor. Now we know but this is still the time period of like so In his 80s That's incredible mom's lifting cars let's see if they're changing Wyatt she was she had that super strength from I must save my daughter and my my grandchildren who I hated up until they fucked up my house. They've been, you know, messing my groove up, but I still have to save them and I'm gonna throw this three independently up out the window. Well, I'd like to think that she had like a moment of clarity where she realized Fuck, I brought this lamp into the house and I have caused all of this problem, but yes, she was her sister. Well, she'll tell you the damn thing somebody sends me that I'm going ah, funny. Guy rolling up next to the dumpster at the end of movie. I feel like I would have liked this a little better if she had grabbed the lamp and like thrown herself and the lamp out. I think that would have been a sweeter, stronger ending. And also then problem solved. The kids inherit the house and then they're back on their own getting all the evils clear. And then they go back through the house install side opening windows and screens in every window. Because you got to have that when Amityville is around the side of the window would be a good thing because the lamp knocks the older daughter out by slamming the window down on her head as she sticks her head out because there's no screen to stop her from going all the way up there. It's like safety note from me. Yeah, so anyway, she lists the lamp easily. I feel like this lamp is 15 pounds myself. And probably the movie ends with the family thinking their ordeal is over the camera pans to the remains of the lamp showing the evil within has now possessed the family's cat correctly Okay, that was an immediate laugh light for me in a in a still photo photo. glowing red. Also funny. Now that's the end of the movie, right? Nobody is going to address the fact that the plumber is still dead under their house. Oh, yeah. No, nobody ever found the plumber. That's right. I'll find that they'll find them eventually. But it's unpleasant. All right, I want to pitch you my movies wasted sequel opportunities to for the next film, you know, realize that somebody out there is gonna listen to this. Write that down and you're gonna see let me preface this with Amityville movie ideas copyright 2023 Kale Young. Okay, first one Amityville cat, follows the further adventures of polar the cat that has been possessed at the end of the movie. I figured he gets taken in by another family starts causing havoc. Also, they named him mittens and mittens Ville cat, Christ. You know. It's too ludicrous now to dismiss this as a possibility of a film. They've been to friggin space. It's possible. Okay. Okay, if you don't know, I feel like I I'm in the room with the Amityville filmmakers, right. And I'm like, okay, okay, I got another one. I got Amityville plumber van. follows the further adventures of the van that just drives off after the plumber has been killed. Right. Oh figure that the van shows up at houses that have legitimate plumbing issues. And then it just makes them worse. Nice. Evil, yes. And it can travel the country. So this mysterious little plumbing issues all around the country. All right, Eric, you've just typed into my neck. Oh, all right. Amityville, plumber van meets Amityville priest, which is the further adventures of the priests from Amityville. To that was possessed by the evil of the house. And then, of course, while they traveled together, the van and the priests, they have come across pepper, the cat, and then they all roam from city to city causing all sorts of trouble. In this movie, I figured that pepper, he wears a priest collar for his collar. Ah, nice. You know, I sit here and I think of these things, and I think we could have done the movies of Stephen King the movies of John Carpenter. Wes Craven explored them thoroughly and deeply. But no. I felt like this needed to be okay, well, now I have one Wait a second. I'm not done. You're not done. Well, okay, if I forgot I'm gonna put four down here. And it will support group which is just a group therapy session with all the priests that have been blinded, burned, possessed, attacked and sickened by the Amityville house and its furniture and it's just a round table where they're all trying to one up each other with the abuse they have taken at the hands of the Amityville house and you get some smartass kid running around on the outside releasing like tons of flies and at some point, squirting blood on the walls and running away. Steve, pitch me your movie. Okay, so you know nowadays obviously, the six priests screwed the pooch they didn't get anything done in exercising you From the house and nowadays we're in a more secular society we're in you know when we need an expert we call like the Geek Squad for Best Buy so I'm thinking Bed Bath and Beyond has a secret cadre of furniture cysts that will show up at your house and get rid of your evil lamp and or divan furniture may have and this could go into just a series of these furniture exercising experts I love that it's Bed Bath and Beyond perfect full chi not there I think that all of these ideas are better than a lot of what we will be dealing with as we get further probably yes, I did. I did say I will give the credit to this movie for one thing, which probably helped spawn all the other friggin things that are going on the expanding the idea of it being a haunted object. So now it can go wherever we want it to it can go in a plumber van or in a cat or well that's going to be that is the premise of the book Amityville The evil escapes it has a bunch of short stories. What none of them are lamps, not lamps, not clocks. Bars, definitely not confessionals, which we're going to find in the next movie. Okay, so let's do what were the the pieces of furniture and detritus that were disseminated in the short stories. Were they full evil? Or were they a percentage of the full evil? I don't remember how was the evil? This? Like, to Amityville? 1992, that clock can do things that never happened in the original. Yeah. And in fact, might be the reason for the original. If, if that makes sense. So it's like, all of these things have their own superpowers. They're like a League of Evil supervillains. And then they all got together like the house is some kind of magnet for bad items. So are the flies a result? Or are the flies themselves also evil if your clock was full of flies from the Amityville house, you know, would it be the flies that are evil or the clock that is? I don't remember the clock having flies, but I do remember that they brought flies in onto the lamp for some reason. Yes, there was flight. Yeah, there's flies everywhere in this series, right. That's kind of a book I was talking to Gordon Gordon actually read the book. And he said what he thinks he thought was cool was that there's like a fly on the cover. Yeah. And then as you're reading there's more and more flies throughout the novel. So nice. Yeah. Let's let's get into what we normally get into a. Do we like this movie? No. All right. I wouldn't watch this movie again. But for 13 on Rotten Tomatoes, it was oddly watchable. I didn't you know, I didn't feel like turning it off. It definitely was watchable. Yeah, it had plenty of entertaining elements. Because I gotta tell you, I I liked it more than some of the other ones we've already watched. I was going to say this. I think this movie is better by far than the Ryan Reynolds remake. Maybe better than the original. Really it more entertaining. I mean, it's more fun to watch. It's more it's more of a story. It's more of a story. Yeah, it's just it's got all the right elements to be entertainingly bad. So I was okay with that. Yeah, I mean, my first note on watching it was expectations low Hey, you know, the credits are very nicely put together and the music's okay. So that's where I that was my starting point. So hitting that, at that level is not too hard. And they did that. I thought, I mean, nothing is beating and I think that nothing is going to be Amityville. To me. That's pretty good. That is probably the best I think that Amityville three was a lot of fun. Yeah, stupid as hell but so many. So so far in this franchise for me, it goes to 341 Yeah, I think one is the worst. The worst. I think it's just awful. Yeah, it's it is one of those amazing movies that gets worse on repeated viewings. You know the first time you watched it's like, oh, it's not too bad. It's kind of scary kind of creepy. You watch it again. Go What the fuck was I thinking the watch again? Go. Okay, I'm done watching this movie forever. I could find I could find no trivia on this have any real interest this is just a movie that really you know, didn't didn't impress anyone 13% felt fine to me. Actually. I think it's bad. But you know it. Really it's real crime is just kind of boring. Right? I found one trivia No, no, that is truly trivial. The did a little bit of shooting at the original house. And the only way they were able to do that Because I'm three, they apparently trampled the hell out of this. The woman, the owners rose garden. Oh, so she did not want them to return. Right. But the director promised that the things the same producers, that whoever was involved with that shoot would not be allowed on set. I would purposely avoid them thoroughly and she said, Fine, you can shoot here. So I came across that too. And it's not even at the original house. It's at the house that they built the facade of after the ranch makes more sense. What is because I did that one news. Blue blurb at the end, I think the third series right and there's the the owner was very much uninterested in anybody approaching that house at all. Yeah. So yeah, they've taken out the the eye windows and everything now and tried to really change the look of the house. I watched just recently on I think it's called a paramount plus or some No, not paramount. Oh, might be paramount. Plus, it used to be epics. Everybody's rebranding. So tell what channel it was. But it was called it was a four episode series called Amityville and origin story. And each episode is about an hour long, and it goes into the original story. And then the story of the Lutz's and all of their stuff. And as I'm watching this, I'm getting angrier and angrier because they're treating it all like fact. And then finally at the, the fourth episode, they go through and they they discredit everything they basically say, so this is what has happened since all of this happened. And they talked mostly to the I think he was the middle son of the Lutz's. And he and George Lutz did not get along. They were suing each other and all of this stuff. And then they had this weird thing where at the end, the kid acts almost like he cast a spell on George, and that's why he died or something. It was that sounds vaguely from a while ago, it just came out. Okay, then it wasn't though I saw I saw something with the kid from a long time ago, where he was very weird. I'll say this, I thought it was really nicely put together, edited really nicely. And just some great opening credits. And the stuff that they were talking about was pretty interesting. But like you can see here, I have high hopes. I picked that up at cryptic con, I've been reading that. And that is written by the prosecutor of the DeFazio. Case. And he is laying everything out. And it's stuff that even in the other things I'd read has not been talked about. And it's just, you know, it's all a big huge scam. Yeah. And I I'm really disappointed in how many people are still like holding on to this and hoping it. I don't think they're stupid. I think that there are people who really want to believe that there is something other than the tangible in this world. And so, you know, a haunted house seems cool. Yeah. I can understand it. I want to believe Yeah, exactly. Okay, well, I think that's pretty much the episode. Anything else that you guys wanted to talk about? About this movie in particular? Um, nothing I got about you. I don't think so. I think we covered it pretty good. Yeah. Steve, can we count on you coming back for another movie? Sure. Why not? Yeah. You won't bother to watch any of the movies in between. I might not You really won't have to. There is zero continuity between any of these films as I say from I want to see what other ones like Amityville zombies or Amityville shark, or like one of these ones. Nothing to do with anything. You're going to be very disappointed. You said that because those are the movies we will be bringing you back for the shark. You need to watch Amityville to the possession. Okay. Yeah, you will enjoy we'll do that. That's a good one. Uncomfortable creepy stuff. Right? Not necessarily just horror story wise, but yeah. Right. So Steve, tell the people where they can find you if they want to find you. Bone bat.com Fantastic. Eric, what about you? Strange aeons radio? Yeah, we got some shit going on there. Yes, we do. You know, I hear there's a cool new website. Somebody's writing. Right? Yes. So you can find me on strange aeons radio also and my website written by kale young.com Where I'm selling some my chat books and stuff like that and soon a novel. Excellent. So okay, that's it. We'll be back in about a month and we'll be talking about Amityville curse. 13 minutes. All right now back in November 1975. Six people were killed and a an awful mass murderer. And those it got to be awful in a small town in Long Island towns called Amityville. The murders took place in this house. One year later, George and Kathleen lots bought the house and they moved into it with their three children. After living there for 28 days, they were convinced the house was possessed by some kind of an evil force and they left their belongings and they fled and they were really terrified. The events that supposedly took place there during those 28 days had been had been put down in the best selling book. It's called The Amityville Horror. And there is now a movie out are about to come out of the book, Georgia and Kathleen Lutz are with us this morning to talk about what happened during those 28 days. And Amityville. And James rollin. Super young man, actor. Thank you. Yes, much. Pleasure. Good to see you again. Jim. He plays George Lutz in the movie and Jim is with us this morning. And it's great seeing you again. Lutz's Good morning to you both. First of all, the book in the movie depict all these kind of weird, strange things that happened in the house during those 28 days when you were there. What kind of things George happened physically? What were some of the things that happened to scared? Well, at first, just moving into the house was fine. It's a lovely house, and we enjoyed moving in. Within a week, Kathy's hand had been touched by something that we discussed and couldn't explain. It was just something unseen. It was an in the daylight or it was, yes. Okay, we also had hordes of flies that would appear within two rooms. And no matter how many times we would kill them, they would reappear. Right now flies can be a real problem in this part of the country in the summer, in any house. And then no matter if you have two or three or four within one room, that could be commonplace, but when you're talking over 100 positions, the winter you're talking about how many over 100 For a long time, and then you go around and kill them. They'd be lying on the floor. We'll come back. An hour later and they would be there to be continued on the next episode of The Amityville Horror Picture Show.