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June 27, 2024 Strange Aeons Radio Season 6 Episode 276
277 1982!
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277 1982!
Jun 27, 2024 Season 6 Episode 276
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277 1982!
Kelly's novel is live, and NOW he decides to learn how to write...
Also discussed: The Clones of Bruce Lee, My Adventures with Superman, Brats.

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277 1982!
Kelly's novel is live, and NOW he decides to learn how to write...
Also discussed: The Clones of Bruce Lee, My Adventures with Superman, Brats.

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Oh, I'm sorry, did I break your concentration somewhere between science and superstition, we have such sights to show you strange eons. Welcome to strange eons radio. That is Eric over there. Hello. That is Vanessa over there. Hello. I'm Kelly. You guys, yikes. I got a novel. Yeah, you do, yeah, dude, it's like a real like out now, oh my god, please. Everybody buy this book. That's right. Get it. Get it now, available, yeah, available in physical copy, like a real book, that's right. And if you did the purchase of the special serialized version, feel free to pick this one up to complete the set fully, actually, actually, oh no. If you are one of the 33 who bought into the serialized novel, do not buy this book. Reach out to me, please. I will get you a copy of this book. Nice So, but also, don't try and fuck with me. I know the 33 people Kelly did. Kelly continues to not know how to make money. People have said some really embarrassingly nice things about the book, and I'm absolutely humbled, and thank you so much for that. With that in mind, I took a master class on writing just recently. Oh, really. And it was interesting. I wasn't sure how it was going to go, because it was a kind of strange one on something called Copy work. Have you guys heard of this as a writing practice? This is where you take a famous author's work and you copy it, word for word. Now the lesson over the 12 days was it shifted. You know, each day. This is about characterization. Characterization. This is about setting. This is about internal monolog, all these things, right? And I thought, okay, and then as you're as you're copying, they're pointing out. See what's going on here. See how he uses these kind of phrases, all of this stuff, right? So I was like, I will give this a shot. First writer, Ernest Hemingway. I knew he was going to come up. I was waiting. I'm not a fan of Ernest, and having to laser focus on his writing was really hard because I was just like, why would you fucking use this word this way? Why is it in this order? This doesn't so I'm like, All right, well, but I had paid for it, and I was just gonna follow it to the letter. Do everything right the next. Author, Cormac McCarthy, okay, no fucking punctuation. I'm just, I'm getting angrier and angrier, and I'm like, I hope this is not just gonna be Ernest Hemingway and corn McCarthy through this the whole time. The next one I see pop up is Brett Easton Ellis. Now I think Brett Easton Ellis is an amazing writer. The part they want me to copy is out of American Psycho, which I think is the worst fucking book on the planet. And as I'm writing it, I'm just going, Jesus, I don't know how you got this published? This book. Sucks. This is awful. Oh no. It's a bit verbose. The next the next day, Suzanne Collins, Oh, wow. She did a swamp thing edition. No, you're thinking of Nancy Collins, brilliant writers. Suzanne Collins wrote The Hunger Games. Oh, you're Oh, first person present. Oh, wow. Which I fucking I hate this kind of writing. I'm just getting angrier, and anger stuck with it the next week or the next day, Ernest Hemingway again, but I'm reading this one as I'm writing. I'm going, Oh, this is pretty good. I like this story. This is interesting. And, and then the clouds parted. There you go. A golden beam of sunlight came down in the form of Stephen King for an internal monolog. And just a joy, yeah, just a joy to write his. What a great choice too, for users and and then the last one was, now, I can't remember. There was one story in there by a Japanese writer who I was not familiar with that was so interesting. And I'm not, you know, they're giving you 1200 words, 2000 words, right? They're not having you read the entire story. So. Right? But this was so interesting that I hunted down the short story so that I could read the entire story that was really interesting. And yeah, so I finished the 12th lesson was today, and it was kind of a bullshit lesson. Is now write a 2000 word short story using everything you've learned. And I was like, I guess I will just continue writing on my next novel. Yeah, was this actually helpful? It? I think the the entire idea of making you hand write out this stuff is so that you focus on what these words actually mean. Instead of, instead of just absorbing them through your eyes, you're absorbing them through your mind and your your fingers and everything. Yeah, and it did. It did point out some things. The interesting thing I thought was like, like, I'll never read a Cormac McCarthy novel again. I just like, I parking hate everything that I've read of his, and it's all because, you know, he doesn't believe in having quotation marks around dialog and stuff like that. Oh God, like, what? What's this famous one? We just referenced the road, the road, he also did, didn't he also do the Oh, yeah, you know, country for all non country for all men. Yeah, try to read that. Because I love that movie so much. Movie, I think I made it like, four pages into that freaking book before, I was like, I just, I mean, I made it through train spotty, for God's sake. I could not make it through that. I read the road and that, really, I don't read a lot of books anymore. I mean, if you're gonna make something that's so dark and horrible to read. That's even worse than the movie. And I also understand it's all art form, and people get what they get out of it. I like a very traditional, at least a traditional looking paragraph, you know? I love the way that looks. And so when it's when it doesn't look like that, yeah, I'm always thrown off a bit, yeah. But anyway, supposed to be thrown off. It's like Dutch angles. I think that that is probably exactly what those pretentious assholes who like that kind of stuff would say. But I would say also, I was the editor of strange eons magazine for 10 years. Yeah, read a lot of a lot of stuff, yeah. And so when you see stuff that's kind of out there, you're like, Okay, I'm going to reach out to the author and say, did you intend this? Yeah, you know, because I always want to to, you know, let them have whatever's going on in their head. But, you know, I wonder a of these people are often drunk or high or depressed while writing these things. Isn't that target. I don't know if you're talking about just artistic writers. I'm just saying like maybe that punctuation thing that everyone thinks is so purposeful, I wonder sometimes if maybe we're giving a little too much credit. I don't know how to use a comma. Oh, I know what to do. Well, I have myself a stream of consciousness this because I want to barf in this bucket. But I also have this great idea. William esperos, I have an amazing editor who goes over my stuff, and she will often, you know, send me a text or something with something highlighted, and she'll be like, this should be this. And I have been guilty on a number of occasions going, that's just style. I'm going to keep it like that. And she'll be like, Hmm, fine. Oh, my God. So yeah, I mean, we're all narcissists. One Oh art, yeah. Anyhow, so I guess my point is, I got a novel out, and then I started learning how to write. Oh, good job. That's like how we did our first film. Eric and I made a feature film, then we went to film school. So I have seen a few things here, though I'm not sure what I want to talk about first, some really cool stuff. I'm going to talk about a documentary called Bratz. Oh yeah, John Hulu. Andrew McCarthy, I think you might be a little too young to have actually experienced the Brat Pack. No, I yeah, I think I was a little, a little on the young set. I was just barely, though, because I'm aware of all the films, and I've seen the films, but it wasn't part of my teenage experience, right? I and if you weren't kind of that age, while that was all going on, you might not realize how important all those fucking movies were the soundtracks to them and all that stuff. So what this is, is a documentary about the Brat Pack, and it is Created and directed by Andrew McCarthy, who was one of the members of the Brat Pack, and he he had a real hard time with that, a. Label, right? He felt that it ruined his career, and he felt like he was never taken seriously again after that, and he kind of blamed Emilio Estevez, because it was an interview with Emilio Estevez that led this writer to then tag them with the Brat Pack, because Emilio was not acting like a adult, shocking, yeah, and he was the only one of that group that had problems. Oh, well, and that's just it. So Andrew goes and talks to Emilio about this. And first of all, Emilio looks so much like Martin Sheen now that I just about fell off my chair. Used to look like, oh, that's his son. Yeah, sure as hell is yes. And so he and Andrew talk very candidly about it, and and then he goes and he talks to Demi Moore, he talks to Ali sheety, and then he talks to the director of Pretty in Pink, and he talks to, you know, Leah, Leah Thomas, Leah Thompson, who is who even said she was like, I'm not Brat Pack. Yeah. She goes, I think I'm Brat Pack. And Jason, yeah, but she talked about what it was like growing up in that time doing those movies and watching what was happening to people and and how badly they were taking it. It's just a really, really interesting movie. Wow, cool. So, and then I immediately went and watched some kind of wonderful afterwards, because Leah Thompson is still so pretty, and she's like, 66 years old. So yeah, it's called Bratz. It's on Hulu. And it is actually kind of a companion piece, because he wrote a book a couple years ago that was called brat I think, and it was basically his, his life story, going through all that cool well, I finished out the second Avatar series Cora, which I didn't really love the first time I watched it through, and this is my second go, and definitely better the second time through, I was less irritated by I just hate steam punk more than fucking anything. I don't think the 1920s were that interesting. I don't think the turn of the century, in which case we started getting industrialization was that much fun, but it's features a lot of that kind of iconography. Are you saying sometimes people look back on the past with kind of a rose colored glasses ideas, or pink colored welding glasses? Oh so fucking cool guys. Love it every time I fucking see it. So it's not my favorite, but the characters in it are so good, and I love, love, love the first Avatar series, and getting to see some of those people come back, or even hear some of the voices and new characters was was helpful. I forgot, though, that it ended on like, kind of a lesbian note, like, Cora's like, I'm gonna go off and do a vacation adventure in the spirit world. Come with me. Um, Asami, who's, like, the hot chick who her and Asami are always fighting over this one guy, but they kind of make peace with it. I'm like, wait, they're playing hands and going off on the spirit world journey together. Yeah, interesting. If only I would have loved it more, if it was a little more earned, because I was like, Asami is definitely the biggest catch up that entire show. Like Cora made the right decision, but I do think they could have leaned into that growing, budding relationship a little more, even if it's Nickelodeon, they can't actually, actually do it. There's something about two girls fighting over a dude and then ending up with each other instead, that makes me very happy. Anyway, 100% I'm like, why? Mako, he's not that cool dude, like just fucking him and his goddamn scarf. Okay? Who cares? Bolin, at least, is funny. Ah, alrighty. Then, well, the self put my scarf away. So yeah, if our listeners have any suggestions for five month old, appropriate shows that I can watch in mass in the background while I'm taking care of my daughter. Then let me know, uh, put epic on your list. On Disney, yes, definitely gonna check out epic. Last episode, I mentioned the documentary, the clones of Bruce and so I go went on to watch the movie which the documentary borrowed its title from, the clones of Bruce Lee, starring Bruce Lee, Bruce Lee, or excuse me, Dragon Lee, Bruce Lee, with 1e Bruce lie, Bruce not Bruce lie. Lai, it's not Li. Li was not in this one. This is not confusing. Start over. Dragon Lee, Bruce Lee, 1e Bruce lie. Lai, Bruce. Bruce Ty and young C better known as bolo young, Oh, who's actually in a lot of these films. It is what it sounds like. It's a Bruce a bunch of Bruce Lee imitators were brought together to be in one movie, Bruce lie, a lie either I can quite tell if he they're a little vague whether he turned it down or wasn't fully available or combination. But they did not get him, who is arguably the most famous of the Bruce Lee matators. But you get a whole lot of them. And the idea is Bruce is dying or has died. So a doctor comes in and he makes clones of Bruce there's Bruce one, there's Bruce two, and there's Bruce three. And I tell you, this movie is a fucking hoot. It is so much fun. I i took martial arts from like seven years old to 16 or 17. And, you know, in a martial arts class, you kind of become sort of a dick towards martial arts movies. This one I would have liked. I think I saw too many of the Shaw Brothers, where they're flying all over the place doing impossibly cool things. Yeah, I like now, but at the time, it's like, this is not real martial arts. You must have been at parties, parties, invited to parties. What? No. But of course, I love Bruce Lee movies, and a few of these. I remember a few of these, and this one is awesome. It's so wonderfully bad and so entertaining. The Bruce Lee imitators are set to rock to go against crime. But of course, the professor, or whatever, who made them becomes twisted because he feels he's not being recognized enough for the good he did with bringing these Bruce Lee's back to fight crime. So he starts to make them battle each other. Oh, to the death, and it's wonderful. It even has a great training, not quite a montage, but a training scene with a very, let me tell you, a subtle ripoff of rocky music. It is awesome. So I can't wait to continue to dive through these amazingly, wonderfully interesting films, the clones of Bruce Lee. Okay, I'm not sure I've got a couple of things. Oh, something you could talk about quick. You could do too well. Yes, I can talk about them both quickly. I'll just say really quick. I watched a live performance of Queen that just came out called Queen rock Montreal, that is so good. Remember when you and I and Rick went and saw that in theater? This is that was like from 78 or something. This is from 80. So it's got a lot of their kind of poppier hits in it live and just amazing. That's not what I'm going to talk about. I'm going to talk about the fact that, surprisingly, one of my favorite cartoons has returned to HBO Max, and that is my adventures with Superman Season Two has started. Oh, nice. And this is just a really fun cartoon. I'm really enjoying this kind of new take on everything. This is basically, it could be called Clark Kent the college years. His roommate is Jimmy Olsen, and his girlfriend is Lois Lane. And they, they all know he Superman already, and so they're helping him with everything that's going on. Oh, nice. And it's just the animation is really solid, and the stories are good and fun, very cool. Yeah? Like, oh, I'm enjoying this so much more than any Superman movie I've seen lately. Fair, fair, yeah, bars. Love the end. Well, the animation end of DC continues to deliver. Well, not quite, because they fucking did that killing joke. No, just recently, no Crisis on Infinite Earths. They did that was not great. It was awful. Have you gone back though, and recently read Crisis on Infinite Well, no, but don't agree over here, I read it a couple years ago, gone, all right, this is fine for 1981 still better than any current X Men comic. Yeah, probably, yeah, that's true. Well, gosh, I've got the embarrassing thing I can talk about or just stop right there. Also, Eric made a new rule, if you can talk about it quick, you can talk about both. Oh, there you go. Maybe I'll do that too. Well, yeah, so I watched bridgerton Because, again, I'm a girl, because it's for your daughter. No, she was not. Turn towards the TV for any of that, I will tell you what. Always surprised at how girly you are. Sometimes I know it's the worst. It's something that I have hated about myself for so long and hidden away. And then one day, I was like, It's okay, I have a uterus, and sometimes I just have to watch the shit I just do. So So I have, in fact, watched all of bridgerton and caught up on this season, and it's just hilarious to me. The only thing I really want to mention about it is, besides, it's good. It's continues to be bridgerton Blah, blah, blah. They're known for having, like, hot sexual scenes, which I am always grossed out by, because I'm weird. I'm like, they're kissing. Oh, stop, hold hands. I guess, fine. I don't know why we've just seen on screen. So every season they try to really amp that stuff up. And for this season, they their couple only really messes around, like twice. So they filled in the gaps by having one of the other siblings, like, experiment sexually and have a threesome randomly with like these other characters. And they kept going back to this threesome. I'm like, You guys are just you don't you're desperate. It's desperate. It's like, fuck, we need more sex than this. So Well, you know, they they removed that from the movies in a large portion theatrically released movies are kind of light on sex and nudists. And people still want to see it, so they gotta put it somewhere. Netflix, this show, this show is all about it. Everyone. That's what really got the first season. So popular is everyone's like, oh, like a dumb little, you know, romance ass, apparently was. And then they were like, holy shit, masturbation in this show. Okay? So yeah, and I think that people were like, Oh, you're actually going to take a romance series and actually show some of those elements. So I don't read romance books for this reason, but it's fine, whatever the story is, still interesting to me. Did you want to mention the other thing? The other thing I watched was the documentary called dancing for the devil, which is about these Tiktok dancers that got pulled into a cult. Yeah, and that was pretty fascinating. It's, I think they're going to do a season two, because they ended without managing to actually get the last main girl out of the cult. And everything evolves as it does with Netflix. I've seen other documentaries that they've done, two parters with those teenage boys who killed and their dad was killing people anyway, like, so there's, I know there's probably just gonna do another season done, like, in a year or two, but it was pretty fascinating. It was definitely interesting about how you can slowly but surely get swept into a cult by narcissistic people, where you start off being like, Oh, this guy is, like, being cool, and he's wants to give us money, and he has, like, some spaces he'll rent out for us to do these, like, professional looking Tiktok vids. And he happens to be a preacher, and so he's inviting us to his family dinners, and they happen to be saying prayers. Doesn't matter. And then, oh, he's really comparing a lot of this stuff to godliness, and all of a sudden they're not allowed to talk to their families anymore. They have to go to church all the time. It's this one guy, and he's making up shit as he goes, and is apparently sexually abusing various members, always a portion. That's the only reason anyone starts a cult. As you do. You gotta have a lot of wives. God demands it really. God cares so much about how many people you have sex with. It's very important. Yeah. So it was definitely fascinating, because it's so recent, you would think like, people are a little smarter, and we're like, in a social media age, so like, people might know somehow not to fall into this. But nope, we're still people. There's that that is proven to be absolutely false. More information means more it all depends on how you do it, where you get it from, yep, what you do with it, yeah. And if somebody just says it with enough conviction, you can just follow them to the ends of the earth. So, and that's called dancing for the devil. Dancing for the devil. If Molly crew was a Asian. Man, yes. Loudness. Snoop, Okay, I gotta then. I'm gonna do a couple real quick, damn it. This is not going to appeal to a lot of people, but I know at least one person will like this. The I did a weird purchase on eBay. There's this set of five prints, blu rays, of live shows, all his appearance on SNL, and a few other things. And I was like, well, let's see what these are like. Holy shit. The quality is insane. Ron, he's talking to you. I hope you're listening. The quality is ridiculous. It looks phenomenal. It sounds phenomenal and well worth picking up. Okay, so I was pretty cool. Main reason I got it is my first Prince concert was love sexy, and this concert is one of the concerts there. Cool. The other thing, have you ever read the book The warriors that the movie's based on by all Europe, yeah. Have you read it? Yeah. It's fucking weird. Nothing like the movie. The base storyline is like they got the guy he preaches over to a little bit, the gangs come together, and then they kind of go home. But this, it's really weird, huh? It's like if somebody said, I'm thinking of writing a book about this. And then the filmmaker was like, Okay, I will make a movie also about this, but I shall not look at your book. So are you? So you read the book, then I'm in the middle of reading it. It just came out. It's been republished, and is also an ebook now, so I've been reading that, and, man, I found that a tough read. It is, yeah, it is. I'm back and forth with shit. What's his name? The amazing horror author just had a new book come out about Paul Tremblay. I bet you're talking about like, Oh, don't know if I'm gonna get through this before I just abandon it and read his book. But, I mean, like, the sayings are weird the way, and it doesn't feel like it doesn't feel like it's, I don't know this slang. It feels more like he is making this shit up, absolutely, like, based on Clockwork Orange style. No, no, that. That's, that's a tough read too, but it's, it's interesting, yeah, it's a little more interesting to read. It's just, you need the glossary. This is not complicated slang. It's just weird, strange shit thrown away. Yeah, like, instead of wearing real, like, gangs usually have the stereotype of the way they look in the Warriors they wear like little pins on their hats that indicate their thing, not nearly as cool as, like a whole baseball uniform situation. So much more fun and like the scene I'm in the middle of reading is when they like they run into that second level band. Well, why? If it's such a big meeting, why would you invite anybody? And that's similar, yeah, but the the interact, it's weird. It is just very, very strange to read. That'd be a good documentary to see, you know, or not even a documentary, a book on maybe, maybe the Warriors, isn't that big. You've read future noir, which is the making of Blade Runner, one of the best making of books ever written, and it's so interesting because they just keep going back to that original script, which was really close to the book, and then it just kept evolving, because they realized this is not going to make a good movie. And so you can kind of see the evolution of how things change and why they become this way that needs to be done for that book, because it is who bought it and then hired a screenwriter and then said, okay, sure, this is the movie, or this is the book we bought. Yeah. I mean, like the lead gang, gang is the family, is the name of the gang, and they've got and they structure themselves that way, kind of like, I'm the dad. Now it's Wow. It keeps calling all of the gang members warriors, yeah. So I was like, Okay, I think I know, like, you know that that is so much cooler than the family? Yeah, I feel like there must have been a production meeting, like the key and peel Gremlins too. It was just like throwing out ideas. That's what this movie is going to be about. Now, a gang of guys, half their face black and half their face yellow, and they wear baseball outfits. For some reason, a radio station knows everything that's going on and tells everybody about it. It's so cool. Roller skates, you got it? Overalls you want? Mimes Absolutely, yeah. That's a, that's a very weird book Making me Yeah, yeah. I just really want to rewatch the movie now. All right, why don't we take a little break so I can calm down from that, and then we'll get back. We're talking about 1982 I don't want to grow up by my Toys R Us. Kid, they got a million toys a Toys R Us that she can play with, pick up the baskets. Now at Toys R Us, the new et cartridge, only, 3397 help et phone home with the Atari video game system. Now just. 124, 87 so go to Toys R Us and have a blast. And we're back. This was my sub genre choice, and it's because I couldn't come up with anything, and so I chose an entire year, 1982 and guess what? I had such a good time with this. You'll see me doing this again. Excellent. So I'm gonna put 10 minutes on the buzzer for myself, and I'm gonna talk about from 1982 cat people, I didn't think you were ready, but you are. I knew it when I saw you with him, your whole body burns. Make love with me. I'm not like you. I You can't escape the nightmare without Me, and I can't escape without you. You Ooh, this is, of course, the remake cat people. It had a budget of$18 million a worldwide box office of $7 million Rotten Tomatoes. Critics give it 64% the audience gives it 45% directed by Paul Schrader, who has 28 credits, including hardcore American Gigolo and dominion, which was one of the exorcist prequels written by DeWitt Bodine, well, not really. He has 33 credits, one of which is the original cat people. And then this screenplay, written by Alan Ormsby, who has 21 credits, including dead of night, my bodyguard, popcorn and the substitute, starring Natasha Kinski, 76 credits, including to the devil, a daughter Tess Paris, Texas and dark satellites. Malcolm McDowell, who has 293, credits, including Clockwork Orange, Caligula, blue thunder, class of 1999 two episodes of Firestarter rekindled, which was apparently a Firestarter TV series that I had no idea existed. You're not alone, also starring John Hurd, 183 credits, including Chud after hours, big home alone awakenings and 2177 the San Francisco love hacker crimes, okay, and Annette O'Toole, who has 98 credits, including 48 hours Superman three, 136 episodes of Smallville as Martha Kent and in this movie, is also Ruby D ed Bagley JR and John Larroquette for a minute. Weird. You guys have both seen this remake, right? Yes. Okay, so we're introduced to Irina, who is a beautiful young woman who was apparently raised by adoptive parents and is now meeting for the first time since childhood, her older brother Paul, who lives in New Orleans, Paul has come to the airport to pick her up, and it's already a very sleazy scene where he's walking behind her and checking her out as she moves. Now, she is gorgeous, no doubt, but this is her brother, and he knows that he's looking at his sister. Paul lives alone in the city, and he excuses himself after dinner with her and takes off on his own because Paul has arranged for a hooker to meet with him at a cheap hotel. But this is not just some sexual trust. No, Paul is a cat person, and I don't just mean a person who loves cats. Vanessa, wait what Paul turns into, via bladder effects of the time, a were Panther, I suppose you would call him, which is like a were. Wolf, except he turns into a beautiful, full black panther. He attacks the hooker, but she escapes with her life, and now Paul, in Panther form, is stuck in this hotel room. Vanessa, I'm using the vernacular of the time so you can mentally change that to escort or sex worker or whatever works for you. Oh my god. I'm sure that your Word will sound just as bad 20 years from now. Oh my god. So now we meet Oliver, Alice and Joe from the New Orleans zoo, who are called by the police to capture the Panther and literally put him behind bars, which they do at the zoo. When Irina wakes up the next morning, she has no idea where her brother is, so she sets out to see the sights by herself. Eventually, she ends up at the zoo where she is quite literally fascinated by the New Black Panther they have there. So fascinated Is she that she's still there sketching him an hour and a half after the zoo is closed. Now, you might say, certainly there are some kind of tests they have to do with a new animal before putting him on display, especially if they've caught him in a cheap hotel. But I'm telling you, it was a different time. This is clearly all about work. Oliver, remember, he shows up and startles her and quickly takes her out to dinner and then offers her a job working at the zoo's gift shop. So Irina meets Alice there, and Alice and Oliver kind of have this thing going on. Alice takes Irina to lunch, and during their conversation, we find out that Irina is still a virgin. This exposition is shoehorned uncomfortably into conversation. I think there were probably any number of ways we could have gotten this information somehow else. But this writer also thinks that you catch a city Panther and put it on display in the zoo without even giving it as shots. Also the Virgin stuff is important information and needs to be out there after lunch, Irina goes back to the Black Panther in an area that is now shut down. Joe, the other Zookeeper, he's trying to get food to the Panther, but once the cat sees Irena, it goes insane, attacks Joe and tears his arm off, then escapes. Joe bleeds to death in front of Irena, which I guess is what you would call a bad first day at work. When Irina gets home that evening, Paul returns, but he no longer seems so brotherly. He claims that he was in jail during his time away, and he also tries to have sex with Irena, telling her that he's the only one who can touch her and she's the only one who can touch him. Irina runs off with Paul chasing her. And there's a little bit of something going on here, because she has leapt from her balcony and landed very easily on the ground with what you might call cat like Grace. And Paul is doing the same thing. She's able to flag down a police car, but when the cops finally start listening to her, there's no one chasing her. The canine unit, however, is going fucking batshit crazy, and when they let it out, the dog leads them to Paul's basement, where they find a cage, chains and parts of several bodies. You a background check on Paul shows that he's been in and out of mental institutions since the age of 10, when his parents killed themselves. Turns out they were circus performers, and Paul grew up around big cats, thinking that Paul might have been the one keeping the escaped Panther from the other night they call the zoo, and Oliver and Alice come over. The cop thinks that Paul meant to kill Irena, so he suggests she finds someplace else to live, and Oliver, being a nice guy, offers her to stay with him. Sure, things are becoming weirder and weirder with Irina, though, and in fact, one night, she slips out of the house naked and finds herself chasing after a rabbit, which she kills and eats. And then Oliver sees her come back to the house naked and covered in blood. So she's in love with him, but can't have sex with him. He's in love with her, but she won't have sex with him. And Alice is also in love with Oliver, which is bringing out a very bestial rivalry in Irina. Paul finally does attack Irina in Oliver's house, trying to have sex with her again. He explains that it's the only way they can live just as their parents, who are also brother and sister, live together as husband and wife. Well, I don't think he understands how cats work. After a struggle, Paul is turned back into the Panther, and as he's about to attack Oliver and Alice show up, and Alice shoots Paul with a shotgun, killing him, by the way, when Oliver tries to autopsy the Panther, he's horrified to see an entire human hand in his stomach, and then the Panther spontaneously disintegrates. Not sure why that happened, but I liked it again. I don't think he knows how cats work. Will Irina and Oliver find love and make love. And will that be the thing that triggers the full Panther transformation in Irena? Will Irina beg Oliver to kill her, and when he won't, will she beg him to free her by making love to her once more, stating, I want to live with my own and will all of this then get thrown out the door, when in the final scene, Oliver stops the new Panther cage at the zoo where the recaptured panther is obviously now Irina, trapped forever as a panther, and definitely not living with her own but caged in a zoo. What the fuck Oliver? Damn. Yeah, I remember thinking this movie was pretty fucking stupid when I saw it in the 80s, but I enjoyed it a lot more this time. It suffers from. Too much sex, if you can believe that, or if you can believe me ever saying that about a movie. It's definitely sleazy and sexy and weird, but the ideas are pretty flimsy and just do not hold the candle to the original cat people directed by Jacques tunier for valuette. So good. There are only two scenes that are even remotely connected to the original film. That's a scene where Alice is being stocked in a darkened swimming pool by a panther that you can hear but you can't see. It's probably my favorite scene from the original movie, and it is the best scene in this movie. And the other scene is literally just a bus pulling in front of the camera with a loud sound as a jump scare. Wow. So effective 40 years after the original film and 42 years after this film taglines, I'm gonna rush through this an erotic fantasy about the animal in us. Trivia. This is my favorite piece of trivia. So I just want to get it out. Okay, a story goes that director Paul Schrader and actress Natasha Kinski had an affair during the production of this movie. Schrader fell in love and planned to propose to kinks key at the rap party, but she didn't show up and cut off all communication with him. After three months, Schrader finally tracked kinks key down in Paris, where she bluntly told him, Paul, I always fucked my directors and with you, it was difficult. Paul Schrader regretted using the cat people title after a negative reaction to this movie occurred, comparing it with the original cat people from 1942 but what the fuck did you think would happen, Paul, did you see 1976 as King Kong? I'm not going to talk about that one. I'm not going to talk about that. Oh, I like this producer, Wilbur Stark, had purchased the rights of the arcade, oh, oh, nice. It's okay. It's okay. I want to hear he had purchased the rights to the RKO library and intended to redo all of their horror classics with universal however, the relative box office failure of this film and the thing both RKO and both 1982 put rest any future remake plans. And then one more thing I like at the film's premiere, producer Ned cannon reputedly said to Director Paul Schrader, Paul, if I have to sit through this shit, then you do too. You made it. That's it. Just a fine sign of the film. Future fields. Future there. Oh geez, yeah, yeah. Well, one last thing, and Ed O'Toole talks about the fact that they use Cougars that were dyed black because leopards are impossible to train, but I could find no information that backs up that leopards are impossible to train. The cats in this are so gorgeous. Is just like, wow, really cool. So cat people. Vanessa, it has been a long time since I've seen Cat people. I would say, you could wait. Yeah, I guess I it's not going any further up my list. Keep the memories. 10 minutes. Um, I originally was like, Oh God, one year, how am I gonna find anything, especially if I can't do anything successful. Turns out, there is a huge quantity of awesome movies, and it was pretty tough to pick, so I went ahead and went on a whim with 1982 Swamp Thing, which I'd never seen, government agents, scientists. Soldiers, Master criminals, secret formulas, monsters and midgets, none of them belong In this swamp. Only one thing does the swamp? You huh, you're a kind of struggle, the Swamp Thing. Adrian Barbeau and the Swamp Thing, an outrageous pair in the incredible adventure that grows on you or all over you, the Adventures of the Swamp Thing The comic book legend lives. Uh, free on Amazon Prime. But be careful, because there are two thumbnails, one of what you have to pay for, one that you don't, oh, it's the difference, nothing. The one that you have to pay for is SD. I did not pay for it. I backed out and was like, I think I. Get the I'm going to check this free one, and it was the same one. Rotten Tomato score of 60% from critics, 41% from audience. Yeah, pretty high for critics. Budget of 2.5 million. Box office, kind of unknown because it went to video slash LaserDisc. Those numbers are harder to find. Uh, directed by Wes Craven, who has 32 credits to his name for directing and 57 as a writer, but for directing, we have discussed him on the show for a last house on the left, deadly friend. And I think we also Eric, did you do serpen The rainbow? Somebody did? Yeah, I'm pretty sure did at one point. Okay, cool. He's also known for, of course, Nightmare on Elm Street the hills. Have Eyes people under the stairs and scream one through four, starring the beautiful Adrian barboa as Alice cable 165 credits to her name, including Escape from New York the fog and becoming John Carpenter's wife now x she's in creep show. She does a lot of voice acting, including for things like Batman, The Animated Series, and now games like Starfield, hollow Halo four and Spider Man two. Also 24 episodes of Carnival and 66 episodes of General Hospital, which I did not know Ray vice is in. This is advice, or wise, WISE. WISE as Dr Alec Holland, 254 credits to Ray's name. He was, of course, Leland Palmer in Twin Peaks. He was Leon Nash in Robocop. And recently, 91 episodes of fresh off the boat, which I also did not know. And Louis Georgia Jordan as arcane. 89 credits, including octopus, e GG, letters from an unknown woman and many, many French productions because he's French. Plot, government worker, Alice Gable is sent to a remote the remote bogs of somewhere in the south to help a science bioengineering project run by Alec Holland. She's a top computer person. She's some kind of smart person, and able to help with some malfunctioning sensors that are just like giant plastic domes with a circuit board loosely inside. However, the swamp is not her scene. She makes that very clear. She thinks that this is just Hicksville, nowhere USA, but she does have a sharp wit and enjoys a good banter with Alec. But after meeting Linda Holland, she she tells him he should just keep his eyes on his wife, only to later learn that Linda is his sister. Woot, she can totally flirt with them. It's fine. Meanwhile, Anton arakane is obsessed with Holland's research and sends out goons to take down their remote lab in the bogs and steal Holland's work. He's on a quest for immortality, and believes that Alex research will do just the trick. But when the goons get there, they kill Linda, and in the struggle, Alex smashes his own formula on himself, which is highly flammable and explodable. He's then super on fire and runs into the swamp, jumping in when the goons go after him. They are taken down by a strange, strong swampy creature. Cable is able to escape with Holland's notebook containing the formula, and thus begins the bulk of the film, where his goons chase her, get her, and then she's saved by Swamp Thing, like four times, at least, it's so insanely boring, we do get introduced to Jude, this cool black kid who's running a local, like, grocery store kind of thing. He just steals the film. He has such a fun performance, great one liners. He delivers everything with this kind of cool demeanor. And it just makes it so much funnier. She tries to, like, get a coke can out of machine, and she's kicking it. And he goes, that ain't gonna do anything. You gotta punch it. It punches it. And, of course, the coat comes out anyway. Finally, cable realizes that the Savior from the swamp is, in fact, Isla Holland, 62 minutes into the film, kind of beginning the plot, who is fused with the chemicals that to create, basically, a super version of himself. He purposely gets himself and hurt caught, apparently, so that he can confront Arkane, because you must go through not around. Arcane, has the notebook, of course, now, and masters the formula. He puts it on his goon and himself and creates two monstrous beings. Alec then has to fight to escape and save himself and cable. And there's boobs thoughts. This the coolest thing, and this is definitely the black kid also I love at one point, Alex gets his arm chopped off. And he has to, like, grow a mind back out of it. And that's really cool. The last 10 minutes of the movie, where we get these weird, like, Beast creatures that have this big fight that it almost feels like. Dr Moreau, even though the costumes are all pretty terrible, really fucking bad, like you can see the seams still the most fun part of the film, also the wipes they use freely, the cheesiest wipes in history. And I'm talking editing wipes here, diagonal we got the curtain wipe. They finally, at the end, use a clock wipe. Oh, it's beautiful. I was like, writing down every time they used to wipe, it was incredible. They'd get like, kind of, you know, at first they were just like, left to right, left to right, left, right. Then it was diagonal. And then all of a sudden, I was like, Whoa, a curtain wipe. Holy shit, you guys. And then three more curtain wipes, and then the clock. I was like, Fuck yes, somebody had a good time. Not me. The pacing. Pacing is awful. I just the her getting captured over and over and over again. It I literally was like, having a hard time paying attention this movie. I was like, I could do something else on my phone, because it is the same movie again. It's not good. It's the of course, the costumes are bad, but I'm glad they tried, I'm glad they tried something and her boobs. Okay. Look, she's a beautiful woman. She has great boobs, but this is insane. At one point they literally tie her to a chair, but have her boobs on top, outside of the ropes, resting upon them like there is no point in which chart boobs could be in this film that they don't make sure they are front and center. I do also like, though, however, that they end the film with a nice thank you to Radio Shack and the credits. So I remember when this came out on video in the late 90s, and I was working at Suncoast. Parents flipped the fuck out because they're all expecting this. Like kids the TV version they'd seen and did not realize the nude scene barbell has so like, do you know what's in here? Like, yeah, I'm a dude. Was a teenager when this movie came out. Of course, I know what's in there, but yeah, a lot of people were not, not happy. The version I saw actually did not have it. So I don't know if the paid for difference, but yeah, it's, it's definitely, it's interesting. So a little little bit of fun trivia was Craven was unaware of this swamp thing before being approached to direct this because he had no access to comics while growing up. They were frippin by the church I was raised in. He found the comic book idea fascinating, though, and after reading the series, was ready to fully jump in. Stuntman Anthony cesir, who also did Freddie in Nightmare on Elm Street, burned himself by basically trying various chemicals and then running around the family swimming pool, setting himself on fire and then jumping in to figure out the right formula. They filmed the swamps in the swamps of South Carolina, and it was fairly miserable. It was during the ferociously hot summer with a very, very high humidity, and there was a black Caterpillar plague. So there were trees of big clumps that would just drop on your head and sting you. Was Craven tried to keep Ray Weiss in costume throughout the film so that he could emote as Swamp Thing, but he just looked so clearly different from Dick DuRock that they ended up using none of the footage until that realization that Craven shot the entire scene featuring the Swamp Thing twice, once with each performer. I'll just wrap it up with a couple more small things. Adrian barbos, topless scene was shot and intended for use solely in the European release, and therefore not included in the American cut, it was just one of those gratuitous breast Ness says director Wes Craven on the DVD commentary, while the PG cut teases a brief profile shot, Craven believed the full scene was an absolute definition of gratuitous Wes Craven didn't work again for nearly two years After this film's release, saying I felt, I kind of felt like I had had my chance and kind of blown it, it would probably never work again. Normally, I feel that almost every after every single film. So there you go. Can you go back? Who? Who was the writer on this? Oh, I did not mention the writer, and I did not look it up. Oh, I don't think it was Wes who wrote this. Yeah, yeah. It is written by Wes Craven, yep. So much potential for this movie, yeah. And all he had to do was follow the first four issues of the original comic. It feels like he. Maybe did the first issue, maybe he got through it, yeah, and then he's got arcane turning himself into a monster. And if you go way back to those original Swamp Thing, it's actually like a castle full of monsters, because he's been experimenting on humans forever. And I get the they didn't have the budget for that, but it could have been something else. Yeah. I mean, that's, there's two very distinct Swamp Thing series, yeah, periods. And that first one with wrightson's art, is just freaking amazing. I mean, come on, man, yeah, it's a fucking horror comic. Was it? Len Wien, when we say yeah, the writer, yeah, good stuff, yeah. And then that new, did you ever get into the new Swamp Thing series that got shut down like eight episodes in, yes, and that was looking very cool, and then they kind of blew it. So I do know that James Gunn, that's one of the first things they're doing in this new DC is a swamp thing. It's going to be a full out horror film. Oh, good. Okay, it should it should be. Eric, are you ready? I am ready. 10 minutes, buddy. I have got from 1982 Shocking The Living Dead Girl, you I know this is came out in August, 25 1982 I don't Know why that was listed. There is, surprisingly, no official review on Rotten Tomatoes of this 44 from the crowd, which is fine. No idea budget or box office. It's available on canopy and to be this is directed by Jean Rolin, who you might know from Dracula's fiance's or two orphan, orphan vampires, the grape, grapes of death. Oh, I saw the grapes of death and Requiem for a vampire, plus a whole shit ton of films. He's done a lot of movies, and he's also the writer, and he was the writer on all of those same things. Jacques Rolf also as a writer on it, well known for the escapees and Mont Dragon, right, right. No, okay, and Gregory K Heller, who wrote Alphabet City, I think I've at least heard of starring Marina Piero, softly from Paris, The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Miss Osborne. Not where I thought that title was going, taxi love, and she was an extra in Suspiria, like, Okay, uh, Francois Blanchard, who's in little Dracula. Babar, yes, the cartoon, yeah. Police, destination, Oasis, Bucky O'Hare and the toad wars and Mike Marshall, who said, I hate actors the Day of the Jackal, I'll sell my skin dearly. Oh, don't look now. We're being shot at. So wow, you'll love this Italian slash French, that Spanish title, sometimes, movie starts with a group of men looking or taking an oil barrel deep underground. They're calling it chemical waste, and stored with about a dozen barrels. They leave it behind, and they drop the barrels they put on, like these masks and stuff. And guys like, why are we doing one of the guys like, why are we doing this? Because there's lots of gasoline around here. Mike, okay, and they walk a little ways to two very pristine looking coffins, which are apparently the people's Castle, who's, well, not castle, but their house, who's a ways away. This is where they're buried, connected directly to This waste thing, which also has an exit out to the i. Regular world anyways, in which they walk in and there's a bunch of candles lit not that much gas, but they start looking to rob from the coffin, and one of the barrels breaks loose and leaks heavily during an earthquake and revives the Living Dead Girl. Simultaneously, the acid hits one of the guys, falls on the ground and falls in it. And it's sort of a light version of Robocop with his face all getting all melty. So I don't know what this shit was, but apparently can revive the dead and burn the living one of the corpse, or the corpse who wakes up and she immediately stabs one of the guy, the other guy in the eyes with her nails and blood. And screaming ensues. And a lot of it, I'm like, Dude, stop screaming. The other guy, it gets melted, so he doesn't get that. And a third man who comes down to see what's going on also gets his throat torn open by her nails. After this, we're introduced to a couple that appear to be photographers, although the woman says she has no interest in being a photographer. Then she proceeds to go out and take a lot of pictures. Okay? She does one of the picture that captures her interest is a picture of the Living Dead Girl is walking through the area. They're taking photos and in her no shoes, oddly fancy looking dress to be wandering in the woods in. So she becomes fascinated with her and tries to figure out who she is. The lady wanders the Living Dead Girl wanders into a home, which she quickly realized probably is where she lived before, because she knows she heads directly to particular things at the same same time, though it is being sold. So there's a real estate agent showing people around that they just sort of just miss each other as they're walking. And the real estate agent, the people leave, and she continues to go through the house and reminisce about flashbacks of her and a woman as little children, doing a blood oath that if one dies, the other will die after them. That's a dark one, okay, but and then so this is all wrapped around a little music box that she finds and plays. So the real estate agent, knowing it's an empty house, to invite her boyfriend over. And so they begin what you do in a genre, then film sex begins happening, and then she finds them and ends up killing both of them. And John Lennon's known largely for his structure and his ability to make cool shots, not necessarily great make Louise, the cool shot in this film is the real estate agent is injured, but not dies, and she runs out the front of the stairs and falls at the top of the stairs, head down, and there's this huge archway door that opens up that the living dead girl walks through. I'm just like, Holy shit, that is a specular looking shot. Her friend is selling the house or something. I don't know why, because she calls the house. All she hears is the Living Dead Girl sort of making some noises, but then she hears the music box, and from that, she decides, oh my God, my dead friend is alive again. So she runs to the house so she can take care of her and help her with whatever she needs. Oh, my God, of course, she finds them with the real estate folks and her boyfriend all dead and bloody, but she agrees, hey, I'll stay and take care of you and help you clean up this mess. This house has that enormous basement I mentioned, which she walks down to and then gets to the coffins and is like healthy shit. Meanwhile, the photographer is asking around town and everybody, not everybody, but several of the people know who she is, and say, Yeah, that's so and so she lives in this house and died two years ago, whatever well, well preserved corpse for somebody that was dead for as long as they applied. So she goes decide she's going to go to the house and see what's happening. Will she make it to the house? Will you be impressed that there's one blonde, one brunette and one redhead. Is the three stars? Excellent this movie. And will she forever live on as the living dead girl? Is she the evil person she fears she is? Eventually starts talking again. Pretty good film, I guess in a lot of areas, it's considered genre. Lin's like one of his worst, but I have not seen a lot of his movies so, but this is, I mean, yeah, it's ludicrous, as many Italian horror movies are. The setups are make no sense. The basic storyline of is she of zombie. Is she a vampire? Is she some kind of a ghoul? It's never really answered, so you don't quite know what she is or why she comes back from the dead. None of that really matters. The acting is okay, except when they go over the top. And it is so much fun, this ridiculous, melodramatic over the top, acting that just works in this kind of context would not work in many other films at all. This was one of my early self education film things that I started when I discovered scarecrow video because I'd heard of him. I'd never seen any of these films. Check this one out. In my head, this was a really pervy film. I'm kind of like, is this really as pervy as I thought? It was filled with all kinds of strange lesbian things and stuff? Nope, not really, probably, compared to what I watched in Twin Falls, it was filled with all kinds of nudity, yeah, because there's definitely there, but there's no real sex, except for the real estate agent and his and her boyfriend. And the rest is fairly which we call casual nudity, I guess. And there's not that many scenes. So it's like, Guess this hit me very differently when I was in my early 20s. But see what else we got here. The film looked okay. There's something saying it was remastered in 2012 I don't know whoever remastered did the greatest job, or if it's just source material is fairly bland and needs a lot more love than it got, but it looks good and structurally as well. Shot it is well set up. There's lots of neat momentary images, and a lot of things go well. It was banned in Germany for a while because of the violence, and it's been re released in the UK and stuff. In 1994 the genre Len met his attack the Italian actress who stars in it at sitchies That's been a long around, a long goddamn time. And later, his agent proposed for the lead in the film, and he agreed, since he'd been impressed with her and she had such a strong personality, which is what he needed for the role. Oh, and this was filmed simultaneously in English and probably French. I think it's a French film. The English language movie, though, has been lost and is not available anymore. Oh, my gosh, whoa. But I'm going to assume this is where Rob Zombie got the title for a song. I would think so, yeah, because I've never heard of this movie before. Oh yeah, no, it's a it's good enough, it's atmospheric enough that I could definitely see him being a fan of the film. There's a lot going on. Really good luck going out too like, oh, I don't, I don't know about that, but okay, let's roll. Keep going. Keep going. I don't know about that. Cool 1982 guys, wow, better than expected. I remember it well. Just saying, Vanessa, that means that the next sub genre I pick is yours. Ooh, okay. Well, how about we do something like crowds Gone Wild, maybe mass hysteria, Girls Gone Wild, crowds Gone Wild, crowds of girls. Crowds could be, I guess, if this can be anything from colds to hypnosis, drugs, illness, whatever. But big old crowd going, Yeah, mass hysteria, okay, I like that idea. Mass historian, everyone's really into history, just tours, tours of old things. Well, fantastic. Okay, that means that this is the part where we thank everybody, all the listeners out there who are participating by liking, sharing posts, speaking or discussing films on the strange eons radio talk page, calling into the strange eons radio hotline, which is 253-237-4266, and especially if the way you feel like helping out the show is by donating money some kind of value. We call that the value for value model. We don't tell you how much to donate. You decide that for yourself. 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