155 DO PODCASTERS DREAM OF ELECTRIC CHOWDER?
The gang gets together in real meat-space for the first time in a long time, and it's anything but a love fest. Also discussed: Peacemaker, Archive 81, The Silent Sea.Support the show
I'm sorry, did I break your concentration somewhere between science and superstition such sigh to show you strange aeons. Strange aeons radio is on the air and sitting directly across from me in person is Eric Margaret. And then sitting right to my right is Vanessa Williams. I'm also here. Yay. That makes me Kelly. And you guys, were doing one of those rare event recordings. Yes. Oh, and I kind of love these. gives me a chance to make some dinner before you guys get here for myself some wine. You can probably smell my meat. I can't, but maybe take a big whiff. I can smell your wine. Right in front of me. Is that bothering you? No, no, no, it's fine. That's great. Maybe the meat smell but knowing that my brain has filtered it out. I don't even know it. Maybe I don't know what meat smells like anymore. Forgotten after all these years of not consuming it? Most importantly, were we. Yeah, oh my gosh, we're here. I can see your faces. I can tell you're alive human beings. You're not just recordings on a screen? Yes, yes. And I've got stuff to talk about. Oh, who? You both know how I feel about Facebook and social media in general, I think is going to be the fall of Western civilization. Yes. I think that it has instilled this sense of narcissism in all of us. To make people think that even the stupidest thought must be shared. So Vanessa, oh, my God, I knew it. Okay. You posted a couple days ago, I had a dream I was eating clam chowder. Now, if you wouldn't mind telling me and make this in percentage, if you can. Our narcissistic human being has to be to post that. That that is something that their friends I unfriended you after this. Like I do anyone who makes a post like this, but I'm just curious what was going through your head? Did not you did not? See, I'm going to really thought about that. No, I know, I think you have it wrong. I have run out of things to say. Clearly not know. I mean, it's been like weeks. I barely say anything for weeks at a time. And then I had a really vivid dream. And like the chowder was in my mouth and I could feel the potato and the clams with my tongue. And I was like, wow, this is like, you didn't say in your pose. Sir. You didn't say I had the most amazing dream that I could feel that. You said, I had a dream about clam chowder. Did it ever dawn on you? I might be a little bit trolling the whole situation of actually I did not okay, it should have that you are 100 No. 0% I was like, I don't fucking even know what to say anymore. I'm gonna say the stupidest, most mundane shit. And by golly, people actually responded. I was really surprised. There was nothing to respond to with that. Nothing. Yeah, you notice I didn't respond. You did respond. I responded. I was unfriendly. Yes. You took the time to do that. No, I did. I was I was, well, not furious. But I was. I was kind of why were you mad about it? Just because I put you up on a bit of a pedestal. I don't I don't post anything political. I don't. I don't post anything where I'm like, Look, it's me, like on in the Alps. And I'm so hot and awesome. Like, I try to be really like real like that though. I like to see people on vacations and having a great time hated during my life. I'm like, great. I wish I could do that ever. That'd be cool. You must have a fabulous life and more than anybody I know. Anything fun. Oh, your friends are not gonna appreciate that comment. Well, they know Eric is actually pretty good about social media. He captures his cats. That's the only thing the internet was created for. That's true. So he is staying true. Instagram. My Instagram is very cat centric. So I feel like we've got a bond or an actual Instagram thing for my cats, which I probably post 10 times more than I do my own. Yeah, that Instagram is soom your cats run it. They tried to follow me on my instagram, and I declined, because I don't feel like your cats need to know what I'm up to. I follow your cats, but I don't feel like they need to follow. They do follow Seahawks and print stuff. And of course, you know a bunch of those other cute cats traveling around the world do the final strange aeons radio. Yes. Oh, good. That's good. That's very important. Speaking of Eric, on the CZ media podcast, yes, I was. And I listened to it. And I was like, God, damn, I wish he brought 1/10 of that energy to his own podcast. That was super interesting. And you had all sorts of interesting things to say. And I was just like, geez, where did all this energy come from? Carlos brought the questions man. He wasn't engaging him and not just pinning him in a corner and throwing why. Let's not dwell on the past. Vanessa, you have an episode coming up? Oh, no, it just dropped today. Oh my god. Did I actually have been on the road all day. I didn't even have a chance to check in but I will be listening. Oh, God, I hope they're no different than your regular pod. I was definitely more inebriated on that podcast than I am on our podcast except for that one time, so it doesn't take a lot. One and yeah, that's true. I have become such a lightweight but uh, yeah, it was very chill. I was very loose. Zoom. Excuse me. Let me say more time. Sorry. What? Zoom bought a zoom podcasts where we are talking face to face but in very far away. Yes. Yes. Completely different. Houses. Yes. Like we have been doing? Yes. Yeah. Which by the way, my mom loves. She has loved our YouTube videos but of our live podcast during your face. No. Cuz she loves seeing your guys's face. I asked her this. I was like, Is it because you're seeing me? And she's like, No, they are so fun to watch. She's, she's sick. I mean, she birthed me she's spend time with me. You guys are new and exciting. She she's really enjoyed watching your interactions and the way that you know, oh, yeah, she loves her palm springs. Yeah, you're freaking awesome. Do you get me started on my mom. I have a crush on her mom. Yeah, she responded to me finally seeing a boob and said she felt bad for feeling sorry for me. She didn't know that I was watching boobs the whole time. Clearly still mom in it up. She didn't know she had a boy child. Sure, yes. I also then after you Vanessa recorded a zoom podcast with Carlos and then it. It crashed is his program crashed and he lost it all. And I'm okay with it. Because he spent the entire episode berating me for wearing full length pants. When I told him that I had gained weight F while I had COVID He said he noticed. So it was like, one of these episodes where I was like, geez, what is the clearly the Bloom is off the rose. That is that is very possible. He and I also discussed your guys's relationship, and I did tell him that you definitely didn't mind all the times that he was giving you shit. So Oh, don't tell him. I know. There was alcohol on? Yeah, that helps. Yeah. Okay, so what I don't want to do anymore. I don't want to be the nerd on the nerd program that talks about everything you hate. So I'm not gonna tell you how much I fucking hated Boba Fett last week, and how much I hated eternals. And hope that it did so badly. I never have to see those characters again. And not that they're definitely going to boot the next entire section of the Marvel Universe probably off of that. I will be furious. If they do that. We'll see what happens. I bet they won't. Yeah, I think Dr. Strange. See the new Doctor Strange is going to be more along the lines of will it be multiverse? And then what happens after multiverse? Yeah, yeah. What I am going to talk about is a program that I watched on Hulu called dope sick. Oh, with this at all. I've heard it's incredible. It is incredible and eye opening and it'll just make you angry. And if you're someone like me, it'll just make you angrier. Because when we finished the podcast, you guys have had to listen to me complain about vaccine mandates and all that stuff. And while I'm not terribly thrilled with the vaccine, and I'm very upset with the vaccine mandate, but after watching dope sick, I'll never trust a goddamn word that the FDA says ever again. You And now that I know they're all in cahoots with Big Pharma, and oh, it's it's one of those shows the premise of the show is OxyContin and the opioid crisis. So the most successful drug dealers to ever exist on this planet, it's and got away with insane Well, I mean, the company went bankrupt, but the people around the company are very, very wealthy, fine, they're just fired just by any settlement, just all of the things they were doing and all the tricks they were doing, I think you could find a pretty clear correlation to a lot of the stuff that has happened in the last couple of years. And so I guess what I would just say is, if you are getting your information about the virus or the vaccine, from your regular news channels, you need to know that you are being propagandized. That is not news. That is what the pharmacies or the big pharmaceutical companies are writing for the people who read news. So it's, it's just so distressing. So where where would you say is a good reliable source of information? Well, I think they're, you know, sounds crazy. But there are plenty of podcasts out there that all they do is news, dissection and stuff, like I mean, they actually talk about you know, them up to just don't find somebody that oh, this person says what I want to hear. So they must be honest, you know, find, look into them deeper to see what they're going on. Because, honestly, everybody on the podcast is trying to make money here. Yeah, especially if they're selling books, or T shirts or anything like that. They're not just there as a public good. They're there as hopefully disseminating good information. But they're also there to make money. I feel like the more boring the individual, the more truthful they are. Yeah, I've found a couple of sources recently, where I'm like, you've really sound like you don't care about the money. So you know what, I could go into any doctor's office and get an opioid prescribed to be no problem. And that's so unsafe. So that should tell you really what's really going on. That's kind of an extreme too, though, because my mom was put on opioids. And when she was spiraling down and dementia, and the doctor was trying to pull back how much he gave her. Like, I mean, I appreciate that. Right. But at this point, yeah, I'm not worried about just make the pain free. Right. So it's like he was fighting against giving her opioids. So it's again, it was taken everything and say, everybody's bad, and everybody at the FDA is full of shit. And everybody the CDC is full of shit. They're not. The problem is the FDA. Yes. The problem is, you're talking probably about 20 30,000 people work for that. Okay, well, and the people that make the decisions. That's where you getting into politics and big business. And that's where the problems come in. Absolutely. So that that's why you want to balance everything out. And anybody who says, do your research, my freeze purse, respond to bullshit, tell me what your research was. That got you to the point you believe what like drinking urine is good for COVID? And I'll see how you came to that conclusion. And are you full of shit? Or did you actually is this some real solid info behind it? Because just doing your own research can lead you down a path to total bullshit. And if you get in that echo chamber, and I'm not saying echo, chamber ARB, any echo chamber, you will be completely cut off. It's weird. If you go to wherever you sit politically, if you go to the other side, on Twitter or something and dive down into the comments. It's like it's an entirely different fucking world. We're living in two entirely different worlds right now. Unfortunately, it's becoming too. Yeah. You know, it's it's very much too, but that is also by design. Yes. Oh, yeah. That's an easy way to get people to lose their shit blame. I know your life sucks. Here's who to blame for it yet. Vote for my guy. Or, yeah, I'm not gonna fix it. I tell you, I'm gonna fix it, but I'm not gonna fix it. Right? Yeah. But that guy is to blame. So don't you don't want him or her? It's it's kind of what it all always boils down to. For me with conspiracy theories. It really is. What is the benefit? So when you look at a website, and you're trying to think, okay, is this honest or not? It's like, do these guys want a bunch of subscribers? Do these? Who's advertising on their banners? You know, what articles are they doing? Are they more divisive? How long have they been around for what are they, you know, what are they promoting? Who what books are they trying to sell or whatever. Like, there's always just looking at the money and the benefits versus the price like Oh, If they're not getting anything out of it, and it sounds like they're really trying to give you honest to goodness information that, you know, they actually scraped together because they're a scientist, I feel like that's probably a little bit better than the guy who's trying to give you drugs. Or telling you not to take drops pop up, pop up. Okay, I'm done with your hunger 100 Fucking percent. Yeah, I hate it. Because I have 5 million subscribers. Come on. After the show. I went on to a bunch of websites and was researching, you know, who owns what, companies, all that stuff? And, you know, unfortunately, Pfizer owns a lot of the news companies, but even the medical websites I was on then, you know, you'd scroll down and halfway down was an ad for Pfizer. Yeah, whether it was the vaccine or something else by them. And you were like, Oh, shit, well, I these guys can't be trusted now because they can money from the company that I get really confused. So when I go and visit my my mom's place, she watches the last CNN sorry, Mom, I'm outing you, churches of CNN. And in the ad breaks. It's so weird, because the ads are literally for like, Republican candidates. And you know, everyone who's watching CNN literally just listen to somebody scream about how awful these people are. And then there's an ad for them. And I'm like, is this what is happening? What is what is going on? Is it just money? That they're trying to get you more angry? Like, what I can guarantee you they're a shitload of people that watch CNN and Fox for hating it. Oh, interesting. But yeah, yeah, it all boils down to money in some way or some, it is, unfortunately, why you're not gonna find a real middle of the road news program. The same reason we're not gonna see in middle of the road candidate anymore is because the, the only way you get the money as a candidate is to you know, you have to appeal to the far left of the far right. And you have to be charismatic and to a certain extent you you do have to be an actor, you have to be able to put on a performance. And that means that if you're uncharismatic, you will never be a politician, which means you might be the smartest person in the room, you might have the best ideas, but you're not going to get elected and put in charge of the things that would actually be good for you to be in charge of. So it's really tough. It's a really tough scenario. Well, you're more paranoid than you were before. Great. Yes. Yeah. So you guys at the end of this episode, you can hear me screaming. You watch the pharmaceutical documentary? No, but I searched it up and I found it and I put it on my list. I was just like, enough. I was like, angry. Do I want to really have to, you know, gauge my days? Oh, man, when I when I go down, down those rabbit holes, I go full bore. I'm like, I'm gonna watch the next five documentaries. Just back to back. I'll be a genius. The thing that makes me furious is there is absolutely a conspiracy here. And the conspiracy is they don't really care about our health one way or the other. And it's all about money. And that's probably what every conspiracy boils down to. Yes. Oh, wait, money. 100%. I love people who were I literally had this conversation yesterday about people who are like, Oh, I don't know whether or not they're going to do another spider man. I'm like, How much money did they just make? How much money could they make? There is no all you have to do is look at the money like you think Hollywood has some other thing going on in the back of their heads other than money. You're crazy. It is the stock market. There's nothing else happening. There's no magic. There's no secret. It's literally will it make us money? Yes, no. And do we do it? Yes. No, it's and that's why you'll never see Marvel get Spider Man back. Because Sony's like. No, we're good. With this arrangement. We managed to make one of these franchises work. Exactly. And I do really think like, I can't imagine that Sony would be like, we're not going to No, we're not gonna work with Disney again to make over a billion dollars. To hear that there may even be an Amazing Spider Man three with what's his name? Oh, yeah. Andrew Garfield, Andrew Garfield to kind of finish his trilogy. And I'm like, I love him. I mean, I watch that. Yeah, I'd watch it. I mean, but I've watched pretty much anything with Spider Man on it. So your Marvel darks you ever we certainly all right. You've been listening to strange aeons radio news. Now back to our regular program. So that I guess that's what you were watching. Is it? Is it? Well, I checked out a film that both of you have seen, I believe. And I finally watched Ghostbusters afterlife. Okay. Ah, yeah. And I cried. Yeah, yeah, well, you're a big fan. maybe two well yeah, no, no, I really liked it. I I didn't have a massive problem with it. I think that ending probably there were like five endings and I don't know why they needed to keep going. And I was like, I don't Why are you now driving the car across a bridge now is why are we what is happening? Stop just stop. It's fine. We were there. We're good. We're done. But I didn't expect that film to absent absent fathers guys, it's uh oh my god. Oh my god. A lot of hard enough. There's so like I said, you know, it doesn't feel like the first two movies but clearly a lot of love. Especially for that first movie. Yeah. Which maybe, maybe that Ghostbusters reboot didn't have. I think the Ghostbusters reboot was an SNL skit. Shocking like always trying to be I don't know why I'm trying to be politically correct when it comes to that movie, but Vanessa then just goes nuts. Trash. It was trash. It was total trash there is tell me what anyone's blood character was anyone because it was what it was on social media. I don't think that means we need to give death threats to the African American actress in it. Well, that's a little far guys. But you can still say that movie sucked. Why did you look at me when you said that? I apologize for it on. You know what? I I didn't read your tweet. Everyone was offended. That that's my kind of. Sorry, I hurt your feelings. So I've got a couple but they've been talked a lot on the show. So I'm just gonna rattle off a couple quick ones. You guys have gotten me watching. Oh, good. Arcane. Yeah. It's fucking amazing. Yeah. Oh, God. It's gorgeous. That animation is really cool looking at that. And it builds to a really solid story. I know nothing about the game know nothing about these characters. So it's all built on the story that they wrote. And it gets really good, man. That bit where she likes the blue. Like, Oh, Jesus. Yeah, so that was really cool. I'm six episodes into yellow jackets. We started watching yesterday. And it was five or six o'clock at night. Oh, man, we can finish I looked at Oh shit. There's 10 episodes. To watch for another four hours. All you pussies. Come on. Oh, good. I'm nine in and it's Yeah, I haven't watched the one from yesterday yet. I did. Well, I'm happy. I'm not sure that everybody would be happy with it. But there's they they got signed for a second season. Okay, when Episode Five came out. This has been that was not. Not for Showtime. But cute. Yeah. It's like Beckster or something for them. It was making people's best of the year before it was done. Yeah. It's incredible. It's incredible, incredible storytelling. And anybody who hasn't checked out yellow jackets get and enjoyed at least the first episode of last month good way. And the first episode is available for free on Amazon if you kind of want to see if you'd be interested in getting your 30 day free pass for Showtime. They said Showtime has said that they have seen a record and record number of subscribers since the show started snowballing. Good. So that's really cool. Another one there are well we haven't mentioned it before. So I'll see if you're going to talk about if you don't. Oh, well. I found archive 81 this weekend. Oh weird. That's not the one I was thinking about. But that was the one I was going to knock out. Oh, talk about another one if you did, what? Damn. I welling I was watching. I I should just text Eric and see if he's watching. This is his favorite kind of show. Pretty close. Yeah, three, three or five and three or four episodes and I don't remember how I literally went on Netflix today and saw number one show his archive 81 And I was like I don't know the fuck this. And that's all I know about it. You need to watch it because it's about a guy who restores video from old videotapes and stuff like that. And it's also slightly a ghost story. Although I think that's maybe some time travel involved. There's definitely a demonic cult. Yeah, it's it's very just weird and hard to nail down and I love shit like that. So, you know, in the same way Yellow Jackets is Eric Have you gotten to something supernatural yet in the show? Yes. Yeah. I mean, that came out of nowhere, seance Yeah, yes. And then you're like, Oh, we what? Yes, yeah, that is illegal dead in this cabin here. So it's a it's a Blumhouse production. Yeah, I was like, damn, but the lead guy was In a movie I talked about for something like technology gone awry or something I was like, I remember watching going the best part of this movie is this dude. Apparently Blumhouse agree with me and gave him this old talk in archive 81. Right? Yeah. gave him the main role for this movie. I love him because he's a black dude. He's got kind of an unusual face that makes him look like he's very earnest all the time. He just looks very interested in what you have to say. If I was gonna get plastic surgery, I wouldn't be like, Can you lift my eyes or you know any of that? I'd be like, can you make me look like I'm paying attention to what you're saying? This guy looks he's he's got such a warm face. And he was in a movie called uncorked that I loved the way he played a guy who was trying to become a sommelier. Yeah, and it was really, really good. And he was really good at it. So yeah, rkV 81 Love it. Nice. Well, I started watching I'm kind of I guess it's the the soul sister to squid game. And that is the silent sea. Yeah, I've heard some good and some bad. Not bad, but boy. I'm like, three episodes and I love sci fi. I mean, it's hard to, for me to not like sound like you love it. I don't love love it yet. But it could. It could. Well, me still, I'm gonna keep going and see if anything really, really sparks. But right now it's kind of like a I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, we'll see. It's no squid game. But it has people from squid games. So it's like, Oh, hey, you're really cool. Yeah, the guy who plays the like, sort of thug, dude. He's like, the head of some corporations. So he's like, kind of a white collar dude and this and then arrange. The guy from Trenton to Busan is like the head of this exploration Moon team. And he's like, he has secrets and he's dark. And he has a tattoo, but he's still got that really nice, sweet face. You're like, No, you're gonna save us all. It's fine. The one that made you cry at the end of Train to Busan is uh, you know, yeah. Like, oh my god. Okay, since you mentioned archive at one, I'll mention the one that I thought you might mention. Okay. Peacemaker. I was waiting. Watch two out of three. I'm watching the third one yet but Jesus that is holy shit. So much fun. Yeah, I mean, what a ridiculous show. Oh, yeah. But as soon as they start the dance number through the credits. You're like, oh, okay, I get it. Now. I was I it took me a little bit to get it the first time the first episode. I was like, what the LIVING GOD DAMN hell am I looking at right now, as you're watching these people do a really silly dance. But that show is. It's great. It's absolutely great. This dance is made sillier by the fact that they are all so serious like that. And some of those people aren't but as far as I can tell, so far, I have like pretty much no role on the show. And I'm like, one sentence. My finger getting bigger rolls, but Johnson has no rhythm and neither do like three or four other people in it, which just makes a little modesty look great. You know what? He's really good at faking not having rhythm. I don't know. You know what John Cena has which I just didn't realize is like incredible comedic timing. Yeah. Deliver a really? Oh, you should see blockers. Oh, really? Yes. The scene alone of him talking when he goes but chugging oh my god, that is such a different movie than you expect. We're talking about it's hard because I thought it was all of hard. It has the worst title. The trailer was god awful for that now now I want to see it watching partially because you know, like John Cena from something else. I don't know what the hell we've seen it wasn't that but we're like, oh, let's check it out. And it was so so different than what to expect. Oh my gosh, awesome. I'm loving Peacemaker not just because of it and all the music I loved in my team. Very good. Very good. All the all the glam rock and everything. But just the well first of all, it is so filthy. That I was like wow, this is really filthy. I chip arm. Just like I am a little surprised. They let all of the like DC lead all of these lines go when he's bad mouthing Batman. And I was like, wow, that's a line. I don't think I thought I'd ever hear. I didn't think I'd see a vagina and by golly, golly, I did. But you know, on top of that vagina, you also get an an eagle hugging a human Eagle heartwarming is so good. What a great character add on. I just thought Eagle the whole time I'm like, don't you kill that fucking Eagle? No. Yeah, that won't happen. I heard an interview with James Gunn, they were asking him about the dance scene and he was saying, you know, I know a lot of people are gonna skip it. Now I'll skip the credits every time. But I can tell if he was being sincere. He said it changes slightly as the story gets a little more serious, you wonder. He goes the dance starts seeming very sad. And I was like, oh shit now I'm gonna be watching for that. Yeah, it's been played every time I've watched it. I've watched all the way through dance and each time I did have a moment was like, is it slightly different? No, it's not it's the same but like every time they introduce somebody new I was like, I feel like we're paused on them like half a beat longer but maybe I'm crazy. I might be crazy that would be super interesting if they changed it that slightly I want to put them on a time timeline now I'm it's gonna happen. I'm just gonna cut them right and see what changes layer. Yeah, change the opacity and just scroll through and see what changes. That opening theme is from the band wigwam, which was banned I loved like 10 years ago. Just some, you know, for whatever reason in Europe, they have latched on to that 80s rock sound and they just keep cranking out bands that keep having big hits over there and being completely ignored over here but be like that kind of music. You get in a lot of it. And Peacemaker. I complained to Eric that there was no way that that firehouse album had been released in vinyl and then Eric went and found it on eBay. $600 Korean press or something like that like okay, so apparently that butterfly was a vinyl kind of sore. Yeah, we're just eight people and took them good point. I guess we'd say 100% on the strange tomatoes meter. Yeah. Really easy. Yeah. All right. Why don't we take a break Vanessa you can jump on Facebook. Tell everybody maybe you'd like to have a tomato soup dream tonight or piece of the water in this water bottle and how it's surprisingly not metallic. Oh, riveting stuff as usual. And when we get back we're talking about Mind Control and Hypnosis. This is an expert on the SP E SP extrasensory perception mind over matter. Now Kreskin and Milton Bradley have devised a game about E. SP. Crest skins E. SP, with Kreskin zsp you may reveal your feelings on love, finance, and career on travel and other fascinating subjects. What results would do fine with Kreskin as he as you can spell out names and words. Guess ages, play lie detector and more. Play questions. And we have returned. Listeners we've just spent long 20 to 30 minute break. Vanessa literally stood up when we took the break through her headphones down. The fuck you and this fucking podcast stormed out. And then I I was perfectly willing to let her go, quite honestly that Eric said you gotta go. So I spent the last 20 minutes out in the rain. So that I wouldn't make fun of her Facebook posts anymore. One of them just don't unfriend me. I have very few real friends. And so we already went through all of this and I said that I would be your friend again. Okay, can we just get back on to this episode? This is why God raters are all good. What the audience doesn't know is it's been 30 seconds. Theater the mind Vanessa. I'm a tutor. Okay, but truth. Truth of the moment. I don't mean that kind of truth or, I mean, like a real truth telling. Okay, Vanessa, this was your genre. It was yeah, it was. I guess I should talk about it. All right. Well, this week, I decided to steer us into a suggestion that was given to me from one of our UK listeners, a friend of mine. Tom Kirkham, thank you so much for your suggestion of mind control slash hypnosis. So how much how much money did he pay you? Man? Are we supposed to be asking for money? Well, no. Well, it just seems to happen here. People have value out of what we're doing. He's in a band. He might be able to make us a Song of Songs. Yeah, we will. Yeah, you volunteered him for this. You'll never forgive you. Yeah, he definitely doesn't have a baby due in like half a week. But once that happens, yeah, Song anyway, plenty of time to just sit around. Gonna be doing exactly. I'm gonna pretend like didn't disagree with you. Um, so, for this for this week, you know what I was really thinking about a movie. And I was like, you know, I haven't I keep meaning to talk about this one movie. And I'd really like to, but you know what, every time I pick a popular movie on this podcast, I get shit. Or my co hosts. How it would be. It would be really good. If I really picked something people hadn't heard of and seen it was popular. So okay, and we're back listener. What you don't know. Don't worry. Don't race me. Alright, this is my time. My time Kelly. We'll get you in a minute. All right, so I went with the 2014 film listening. next suggestion, kill the dog to kill my dog My life depends on something new. What's the worst that could happen? The only thing fast enough to decode the human brain is the human brain. Whatever it is, you're really thinking goes to the wire these guys don't let him die. What was it like? Better Than Sex? Ladies and gentlemen. They have just invented telepathy. The ability to read man is a matter of national security we'd like to offer you some employment with the company. Scary world is headed. Do you realize how many lives this will save the power to implant thoughts. We just unlocked it all for them turning around technology and stuff I've done something very bad. I need to set it right. We never meant to create a weapon. The cavalry is more important, changing or changing. This is the end of freedom. No. It's the birth of freedom because they had a really cool trailer and I hadn't heard of it before. Have you there? Have you heard of it? No. listening, listening, not listening. It's 2014 and there's a bad title. Got a lot of awards. Had a pretty fun looking trailer. From question. We'll get there. Okay. Not anyone I would have actually respected. That's for sure. Well, a few places. Um, Rotten Tomatoes score would have been good if I looked at this ahead. 17% from critics of the 12 people who watched it 42% From audience 250 people who watched it that is mighty high. You guys need more exciting content in your life. 42% and 42% Wow. It's really weird, but I would say 17 is way closer to probably what is yet. writer director combo. Khalil Sullins was behind this project. He has made one film oh, what film was that? He has produced two other I wasn't. No I can't even go there. Continue. Sorry. It's pretty two other films including terrorize and speed of light. No, I have not heard of them starring a bunch of people who are have been in nothing I've ever heard of, including the start Thomas Stoppard as David Thoreau, good. Trust me, the names are not genius. He's been in 12 projects, including shed of the dead as a zombie, jingle and bells, Christmas star as the voice of Jingle and a bunch of just in these, basically everything's just shorts and nothing, nothing. It's nothing. Also rd air who plays his kind of co star as Ryan Cates. He's been in 17 things now. One of which I'd heard of all Indies in shorts. Amber Marie Ballinger as Jordan. She's been in 44 things. She was really interesting. So she's been in a lot of shorts, a lot of TV movies, but she's really one of those people who's in pretty much every commercial. She's been in over 50 commercials. She was in 29 episodes of Hollywood is hard a web series. She was in the death and Return of Superman, a short film and she was the Dorito dream girl and I believe it must have been one of those Dorito commercials on her IMDb which is incredible and clearly written by her. It starts off by telling you that she was the Bellevue high school record holder for the high jump like as in Bellevue, Washington, I'm not sure into that at Bellevue, New York and I mean, it really wasn't set records. name. Her name is Amber Marie Ballinger Amber, if you're listening, please get back to us. We want to know if you're local. Yeah, Lisa would like to interview you. She's actually really incredibly cool. Like as far as out of all of these human beings on here. She definitely took liberties with her IMDb bio and it ends with as of 2018 Amber's is a scream slash, his scream slash singing in a post rock band, digging in her garden scrolling through Instagram, working three jobs to buy organic food and abandoning all hope for an acting career. I kind of like this. Yeah, I know, right? She's pretty freakin cool. And then Christine Haberman as Melanie she's been an 18 things. Her IMDb has pictures of her with and without glasses. Oh, I know. It's like it looks such a head shot joke. It's like clearly one session or whatever. But she's wearing glasses, one of which is not unlike Oh, girl. And last but not least Steve Hanks as Matthews who's kind of like the southern government dude. He's been in 37 things, early TV stuff, including one episode of Dukes of Hazzard one episode of TJ hooker, one episode of Charlie's Angels and 10 episodes of bad cats. This is not a young guy, then. No, he's he's an older guy. And he also doesn't really have much of a career but at least I'd heard of anything he'd ever been in. So I got really excited when he came up. So the story we start with a guy walking on a trail, he is looking for answers to a problem he has and he discovered some monks seems he was trying to find the monks. He gets there. And he's like, Yo, I need to learn how to meditate to fix the problems that I created in the world flashback to previous time. We're in a blue blue room, as in it's color graded very, very blue. To tell us something I'm not sure what other than he's down on his luck. David is having a lot of problems with his wife, who he has grown distant from. They're both they clearly had like a cane in high school or something because he is in college. His best friend Ryan, who is living in a yellow color space is broke. And living in a studio apartment with his grandmother seems like there is one bed, she never gets out of bed. She's always in the same position. It's very, very strange, but they love each other. And it's very sweet, I guess. And they are both geniuses attending school and hoping to advance their theory on using tech to read minds. They decided to steal a bunch of computers and build their own lab in David's garage so that they can do trials on each other. They're basically trying to jumpstart slash launch their project, beyond the constraints of what their school is letting them do by stealing a bunch of equipment, which definitely will not become a problem ever. Now Ryan finds himself smitten with this hot chick who walks by him in school named Jordan. She, he notices her as as she walks by as him and David are trying to haul off another enormous piece of equipment that they've stolen with a like light blanket over the top of it. And he says and I quote to her very tiny ass. Those Bunsen burners are too hot to handle. What was the writers name on this? It's like that similar to Khalil stolons. And it was, you know, maybe the only thing he ever has ever written so he was doing the best big fan of Bunsen burner. Ian's Yeah, got that but the first thing I think of as a Bunsen burner, which looks nothing like an ass, no, I know but you have to and then you have to do the backwards math back to bonds and then go Uh huh. I just finally saw boob I haven't quite gotten yes yet. It's gonna take you guys where does not look like Bunsen burner? Well, generally, if you're gonna make a really bad ass joke, like there should actually be a But but you're looking at what the camera and I mean look this girl girl is gorgeous but there is not an ass on her. It is she's beautiful legs. She has a beautiful face she I think has an okay rack I'm not sure seems fine, but her butt is not the quality that would jump off the screen at you. So it was very shoehorned. I will say. I almost hear somebody booking a acid implant right now. Don't do it You You're better than that. So anyway, after taking her out on a date, Ryan invites her to the garage. Now David is pissed because they have agreed to a no girls rule. There's even a sign behind them occasionally he man, what is it he man woman haters club? It's basically I don't know, maybe so they don't like fight over her or have you know, conflict. I'm not sure what the no girls rule is about. But the good thing is, it turns out she's a genius. And she can help him help them both push these ideas further and go past the limits that they're running into. So they find a way not only to start to read each the brain that can get like kind of one word, which sucks because you think 1000 things a second. And she's like, well, what if, and I quote you use slash you need nanotubes? Behold, nanotubes that is the solution. I don't know what that means. What are they trying to do? Again, they're trying to be able to read the human brain. They're trying to be able to use tech that only print out what people are thinking. Okay, yeah, so nanotubes so the other problem is that computers are too slow to pick up and process through like coding, what the brain is saying. So she suggests Why don't you use the fastest computer on Earth, another human brain. And so they decided to hook up human brain to human brain, so that one person can hear the thoughts of another person. Lo and behold, it actually seems to work. Now. In the meantime, David's relationship with his wife is becoming more and more strange. She's a it's just awful to sit there and deal with watching these scenes. Like she's just pissed at him the whole time. It's like the Angry Wife, but it has no personality written for her whatsoever. She's like, I'm now I'm working a shitty job. And now we're come back and you guys are just in your garage, and you want me to go on a date with you and I'm all dressed up, but you're in the garage. And there's a hot chick here for no reason. And I'm angry because I can't deal with a hot chick existing anywhere within a two block radius of myself. Beautiful writing love it. Um, anyway, direct quotes, I'll bet would not be surprised. He also is not helping his daughter with her volcano projects. And that's very sad. And on top of it, in fairness, Jordan is the girl the new hot, smart girl is occasionally randomly showing her nipple to him and wearing a red bra around the garage for no reason. So it kind of makes sense that there would be attention but that wife doesn't see any of this. So I'm a little surprised she and I shouldn't say the Jordan is only hitting on David, she is also mostly hitting on Ryan. So it's an equal opportunity hitting on situation. Now, um, so when shit hits the fan, it gets cray cray, obviously Ryan's grandmother who he shares that small space with dies. And he can't even afford to get her caskets. At the same time David is getting evicted from his place, which means his wife and kid are getting evicted. Everything is really, really getting crazy. So David tries a sort of last minute hope of trying to patch things up with his wife by putting the machine on her hoping that his thoughts will convince her that he loves her so so much and she doesn't need to worry and they can like, make everything work. But of course he has random thoughts about having sex with the other girl. And his wife is like, I'm cool. We're done by and he's like, I don't have sex with her is she's like, well, that's not what I saw. And he's like, Yeah, but I mean I'm I thought about it, but I didn't do it. It's just like okay, cool. Goodbye. Ryan decides that they need cash really bad. So invite some rich dudes over to check out this crazy setup that they haven't tried to just get some cash flow going. Which unfortunately leads to them getting found out shut down arrested. I'm not really sure who these people are, who are like arresting them and how doesn't really make sense how all this is happening. Don't worry about it doesn't matter. Government's getting involved. Turns out. Jordan was a spy for the government. Spoiler alert on a movie I'm never going to watch. She said nipples I might give it a shot. It's Half a nipple. I've become quite a fan since last episode. They are they're pretty fantastic. Sorry, mom. Um, anyway, so Jordan was, of course, during those mind bending sharing sessions, she was implanting these ideas in their heads, so that they would start to kind of play off of each other and give certain things away. And, you know, inevitably end up in her clutches, I guess, by getting them to think that she was really sexually into both of them. But now she's in a nice government suit and hanging out with a southern guy who wants to develop their tech. And we'll clear all of the criminal records against them and give them all the money in the world that they want, so long as they just to help him do what the secret government thing is doing. Which is a giant conspiracy to overtake people's brains by injecting brain reading formula into children with vaccines so that they can manipulate the world globe. The rest of the film, David comes up with an idea to fix this because he feels awfully guilty becomes a monk sabotages them, everyone dies, the end. I'm telling you what happens because no one should see this film. Here are the good things that happen. It's an interesting idea. And Amber Marie Ballinger who plays the plays Jordan, who's like the nipple check. She's kind of interesting. And I think there's potential on there. The bad things, the dialogue, lens flares, randomly for no apparent reason. Color Grading never really got to sushi. I don't know if it's character based or location based. I cannot tell you But damn, if it is not some there's green at one point. I think there's purple and I'm like, where am I? And then when he goes the monk, there's no color grading and I'm like, what does this mean? Is it because we're present day? Or is it because monks any has clarity? What is this color grading mean? The text at the start of this film, you're like, oh, it's gonna give us a location it goes. And it's like flips across the top of the screen. And like, what's the location? No, it is the actor's name. And it will continue to do that for every additional actor. And I'm like, oh, it's gonna say Belize. Or it's gonna say Cambodia. Nope, just keeps telling me people's names I've never heard of the trailer was full of lies. The trailer tells me this is a story about friends who get telepathy on their own because their magic brains and the government gets ahold of them and starts doing mind control operations. That is not what I actually sat through. When Ryan is hanging out with his grandma. She has a really big brain. I cannot stress how big the brain is this a it is a phrase for something else. Not it is an enormous burrito. Okay, on a plate with an enormous burrito so I I mean, was she able to eat it? Are you able? That's a bridge too far. Sorry. I'm just saying this breed. I know old people and old people can't eat a lot of food. And he gave her way too much food and she was not gonna be able to get through that burrito and I was really fixated on this goddamn burrito. There is a giant needle that they keep sticking directly in people's spines and no one flinches or notices or cares. It seems just fine. Sound design really bad. Um, they're trying to cover up they're talking because the government's listening in by putting a record on really loud to the point where we as the audience have no idea what's being said. at all, and at one point comically the kid says, I can't hear you, daddy, which is fine. neither can we. So it's the tortured wife shit is awful. I don't love when vaccines get crazy. ideas put into sorry, Kelly. I just look like here are a few more fun quotes. There is pretty much no trivia in existence on this. It literally doesn't have a Wikipedia page. So and the only thing on IMDb The only piece of trivia about it was that it part of it actually was shot in Cambodia. So there you go. Um, here's some fun quotes. The only thing fast enough to decode the human brain is the human brain. What was it like this experience better than sex? Little girl looking up at her mother. While the guys are joking around. That's what she said. wife saying to the wife saying to the husbands, what's more important changing the world or changing us? David after telling his wife that there is a giant conspiracy and the entire world is going to get inflicted with government altering injections that will force everyone to basically become a maybe human bomb. or, you know, whatever. She says, I'm sorry, you're so stressed. And then handsome divorce papers. Very, very great. And when David comes back as a monk and hangs out with Ryan at a coffee shop, he says, holy shit, and Ryan says, holy shit, David says not quite just semi holy. See now, you make him sound like this. Is it entertaining? Terrible movie with these great lines? I would say if you have enough alcohol in you, I Okay. I have a question. Yeah. Eric, when you have decided you're going to watch a particular movie for this podcast and like 20 minutes in you hate it? Do you just go I'm sticking this out. This is my pick. It depends on the kind of hate I have for it. If it's like a troll to hate, I will stick it out. But this sounds like one that you know, there's a lot of you had no fun. Well, let me be clear, I have a really hard time walking out of movies. There was once a time that my brother calls we're sat through a movie and it was so bad. He looked over at me and I pulled out my book and started reading it. The theater in the theater using the glow of the cinema screen to bounce off the page so I could read. Luckily, there was a fire alarm and that made it a lot more than you. Like we got to get the fuck out of this and we need our but everybody needs to get out of it. And help everyone. That's nice. Um, no, I was committed. And by the time it was done, I felt like I needed a PSA. How did you even hear about this? Really? It was I just was googling slash looking for different articles on really interesting. Mind Control. And it was like a list it wasn't a list. Alright, listening. That's a bad title. I mean, I like a tagline was hide your thoughts, which I thought was too bad. Which what was it? I want to hide your thoughts? I do your thoughts. That's better than your thoughts. Okay, look, I'm just gonna take one second. Tell me that doesn't look cool. I'm showing you a poster. That looks pretty great. poster. Yeah, and the trailer also looked pretty good. And I was like, at some point, this movie is gonna kick off. I'm sure that and then I was like now it's just a student film and I must know more. I mean, I don't know this guy never made another film so I'm guessing the reviews were just so bad. He just shamed Waltons way right back out. Well, we know how hard it is to make a feature hard unless you make a lot of money doing it you're probably not going to get a second chance. Well, that's my phone. There's nothing else really exciting to talk about. Oh, I guess it did come out on two theaters on September 11. Because you know conspiracies and freedom. Freedom guys, but pends on what year was it? 2001 Because a lot of people something else they were watching that it was it is 2014 All right. Yeah. All right. Yeah, no, no excuse. I'm sorry do I'm gonna go next. Sure. Cuz I had a weird ass one but it's not a bad movie. Yes 1976 hardest class. Shan Shan designs in the ether taco mist contenders in the just counted size incidents and and on the other default communists rosin don't call the sisters but it's done from from in there. There aren't a valid thing tonsoftickets knowledge this fun dancers deaths. fits neatly on fairy dust. Shine. If beautiful and soak a seat a soft. Speaking of debts, debts, shrinking function debts He says from Werner Herzog Oh, that's what it sounds familiar. But this was rotten tomatoes at 92 from critics 72 from the crowd. Make sense? Don't know what the budget is, although it did make $20,000 in Taiwan. That's pretty good. Actually specific. Yes. All the box office I could find. And like I said, it says, Sorry, a Werner Herzog who also directed how much wood would a woodchuck chuck? Really? Yeah, I heard of that one. Nosferatu the Vampyre? Yeah. And my best feed, which was about his relationship with Klaus Kinski. Who's freaking insane. I'm not saying burners, maybe just get a little nutty. Yeah. Yeah, he's an artist. It was written by Herbert Aachen Spock, based on a screenplay by Werner Herzog. Wait a second. It was written by this guy based on a screenplay by Werner. That's what it's like. Over and over, especially when you're the director. Maybe he was really what I did and wanted to spread it out. I don't know. That's why That's why I included that because it's like, I appreciate makes no sense. He also wrote punch drunk beer Chase and Hicks last stand. That's my favorite. HC and his last and very powerful stars Joseph beer. Bill sharp. Or bill I wish was an E and seven I because I can pronounce it very differently. He's in daughter's bye bye, Bavaria and beer Chase. Also. And every almost every other person in this movie has never been in anything else. They're Stephen Googler. Who has nothing else Clemen Schultz who was in Nosferatu the Vampyre. Ah, what'd you just say? This was 76. Okay. So, this is a weird fucking movie. I'll start out with a basic description describe why it's so bizarre. This starts off unsurprisingly, with a guy sitting in a field, watching his cows herd by in a Deep Fog. And he just sits there and watches them all through the credits. And then if you've seen a word of hers, I went, you know, this might be going. And then there's a long shot of fog covering a valley as it moves down and the music playing and there's a he's describing the falling and the edge of the world and flying to the rise of a new earth and miss in the Hegelian Herzog. Now, the guy on the left Oh, gotcha. Narrating and followed by a very oddly 70 sounding music. It's like this weird electric folks. 70 It's really strange. It's not bad, but it's like, very weird. Eight minutes and 30 seconds into the movie this end. So now we've got Joseph, who's the lead guy that was watching his cows, is trying to convince the villagers that no, they're not seeing giants. But a thief and a murder will close. We're going to cross the bridges into town in a moment and pans up to two bridges and you see one person trust each of them. I don't know who did what. And the complication of the film is this is a small Bavarian town where they specialize in glassblowing specifically a rare Ruby glass that's red in color and the one person who knows how to make it has died. Me left no instructions. You'll have no hay never told anyone how he did it. So everybody's kind of trying to figure out what they're how they're going to live their life now because this is how they made most of their money. There is this really cool shot. I don't have to talk about story much, because I've given you the story. You've just heard it. Also. Werner Hertz. Yeah, exactly. Yes, sir. God, this is an incredible shot across a working glass factory where you see all surly after you find out this guy has died. It's kind of sounds like a weird rent reference to make. But remember that mannequin challenge from a couple years ago, where people stood still, while a shot was done of them. They kinda Yeah, they did like weird things like playing ping pong or something. This is akin to that, because, but it's it's more emotional because nobody's moving because they just don't know how to deal with what's happened. It's pretty cool. There's this train scene when two men are sitting at a bar arguing or something and they sort of get in a bar fight, where the one guy sort of punches the guy in the face and the other guy pours beer over his head really doesn't progress far from that. There's a reason for all of this. And I'll get to that when I'm done talking about the movie, which is only like this there are scenes shot this movie is shot all over the world and a lot of little ways. Like there's a scene of very obviously Yellowstone Park, which I looked up to afterwards and it was but it's only like, three or four minutes. Movie so he traveled from Bavaria to America to shoot Yellowstone Park. Wow, was it a was it a geyser or something or more like the clay pits? Okay, so it's but not didn't didn't have Old Faithful or anything like that. It's just this weird fucking way. Yeah. There is a strange scene that I have no idea what it means. I could probably watch the movie again. I'm guessing I would feel the same way. Because there's this guy points out, Oh, I've got a letter for you. And they bring in a couch. He takes a knife and he opens up the couch and pulls out like, what looks like packing paper shreds? Like you might put me in a birthday bag or something. It's like, very much not. Well, he's very happy about it. So it seems like him I guess, oh, my God. Because he looks inside and start saying strange things about what Oh, I see what this means. Okay, sounds so Lynch rather than that's weird. That was very weird. And there's also there's a storyline going on with the guy who is either the mayor of the town, or the wealthiest man in town who's trying to figure out how the glass is made and how he's going to survive now that he can no longer sell this glass and he's looking at it and frequently breaking it. Oh, god. Okay. And it goes back to another scene as things have progressed a little bit, where the glass similar glass blower scene again, except now they're actually all blowing glass as a lot longer, and these were real, apparently real glassblowers who really knew their shit. And so it was, it was really impressive to watch. Nice. Eventually, of course, the money man decides that it must be blood. Turn the Ruby class it took thick. That's true. He's insane. There's all kinds of weird little scenes going on. And people in bars talking about stuff. And for the remainder of most of the movie, there's a fairly large bar. And the guy from the beginning is just sitting in the bar predicting things, talking about what's going to happen. And people get pissed at him because they think they're wrong. And me it's it's an experience. It's not a story. And where does the mind control come in? Here's where we'll get to that. So the movie actually has nobody do any hypnosis or mind control However, every cast member but one was hypnotized by Herzog before they're seen and not trained. Everybody in his theory is hypnotized while they're on screen except for the belief guys because got tons and tons of lines hypnotized. I mean, do you have details on how they were hypnotized? Where they hypnotize to be their character? Or what do we do is it would hypnotize them? He feed them their lines, because these are all amateurs. None of these people are actors, except for the main guy coming down the line during hypnosis. Yes. Okay. And then they recite that line. So watching this film and knowing that it's really weird, because everybody is very glazed looking. And occasionally somebody sits in the background making strange hand gestures or they kind of just walk around for some weird reason there's some people don't really look to hypnotize but some people look really really under like there's like the the man and waiting for the rich guy is just this is really weird scene that I'm wondering if that was an accident, where he's kind of leaning near the wall waiting for whatever orders the guy is gonna say. And the painting falls and he catches it and puts it back up. It's like, that was an accident. That was really wow. So when like that bar fight I was talking about. That's why it's so weird because nobody that neither of them got up. Neither of them stood up or did anything. Neither am really raised their voices is in theory, they're all hypnotized. So like they were with a given there. I mean, was it you probably don't have a shot. Nobody knows. Did you just say action and they already knew exactly what the scene was like. They knew they had to get into a fight. Very little blocking, if any Not a lot of movement of people in the scene, so I think that helps them some. And so they're just largely reciting their lines. I wonder if this was like, was this a way for him to have it so that people would memorize something without having to be like badly memorizing stuff? I think it was just Warner. Our hurts are going this this is a weird idea. I've got to try this seven days, man fucking Yeah, no shows and all that you are the craze. So he got away with it. I'll tell you this, though. In 2020 What years to think 2022 If you say to me, have you seen that? Verner Hertzog mind control movie I'm gonna be very discipline. Yes, it definitely is not that it is heavily hypnotic. And the he also does some things like one of my favorite segments in The Shining is when he drives his little big wheel around in a circle. And it's almost like he's hypnotizing you to get ready for the changing to the scene, that opening scenes with the fog. And the guy sitting there watching his cows has that effect too. So it was it was a very relaxing to watch. Wow. What a crazy experience. It's really interesting. Some of the reviewers consider it probably the most Herzog movie ever made that very few of Herzog people have seen. It's one of his least viewed movies never even heard of it. Yeah. Herzog hypnotized the actors themselves claiming to have fire the professional hypnosis, hypnotist for peddling New Age bullshit. Yeah, hypnosis is not exactly what he's doing. But see one of the German Film Award for Best Cinematography, whatever their version of the Oscars is, it's gorgeous. Of course. The film follows traditional Neo realism with unstylish documentary scenes so that the glass blowers are he went to an actual glass blowers like so it's got this further scenes like that, that are just drilled into reality that feel completely real completely documentary footage. And then it goes into the realm of like, whole surrealism with that scene with a guy with a guy who get in the bar fight. One of the guys in that fight died. Wait, what? No, he just died in the movie. A heart attack or something. Oh, but there. It might be awake when all the people are in the bar. But his friend who he got in a fight with decided he needed to be there. So he goes off and brings his corpse back in and dances with him. Uh huh. So, yeah. Lady shrieking at a harpist playing in the dark. Jesus Christ. Well, this sounds Oh god, yes. The final scene was shot at the same location as Ireland scaling Islands, which was a sequence in Star Wars The Last Jedi, the main characters actually based on a Bavarian Nostradamus the things he was saying, Were from this Bavarian soothsayer or whatever you want to say. And he was actually a cow herder, too. So that's why you Adam as a cow herder. The movie was shot in a very a few miles from where Herzog was raised. In the village of suckering. Apparently he considers himself Varian Herzog. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Is that is that is where I'm from? That is what I'm about. I'm not German. You're not German. If you're very near Bavarian. Yeah. As a as somebody who has been very important I can. Oh, there you go. Yeah. So yeah, so yeah, like I said, he's shot locations around the world, including Yellowstone and various weird places. He is, Herzog makes an appearance in the movie carrying some of the Ruby glass. Great. All this makes me happy to be a proud owner of a Verner Herzog Star Wars bobblehead. Fun question oh, what does the the guy who decides that blood is the way you get? does that play into like in killing people to get? No not really? Oh my god, you started giving her that just sort of gives all of it to Ruby glass that he can find to somebody to put in the lake. And don't know if he's trying to raise the value of what's left or if he's just lost it and wants to destroy it all so nobody else will ever learn how it's made. The movie is not full of build up and pay off. They should have slaughtered all those cows in use the cows do well they bookending right if you start with the cows, cows, just they started with the guy being philosophical and ended with this and Vanessa just said that she had a better ending the Verner Hertzog did I didn't I didn't say those words. I was waiting on Vanessa cheese justing ideas that's all by the way, the way that you get red color in glassblowing so there's something called Gold salts. Oh right. So you like heat up the gold and it makes like are these gold salts and makes it slowly squeeze the blood out of it? Alright, Dr. Stone makes them Squeezy. Nice. By the way, Eric I'm mildly furious that you couldn't follow the rules on Vanessa's fine had more hypnosis in it than any other film made. I'm gonna allow it I'm not mad this is crazy. Well of course you're gonna allow it the tall grass was your road it's so much road let me tell you. Hey, Carlos. I remember you've heard like you cut some things together you should go back he passive aggression. Go back and find the points where Kelly said Well, I'm not following the rules for this title. I tried so hard to make the movie the center work for this. Have you guys seen this from 1982 ish British, so creepy. I got to figure out a way to make that my my sub genre choice is so cool. I watched it while I was sick. Instead, I cheated a little bit on this talking and I chose the movie. The fourth kind Can you state your name for the camera to Abigail Tyler. Okay, where would you like to begin? I'm actress Mila Jovovich and I will be betraying dr. Abigail Taylor. This film is a dramatization of events that occurred October 2000 Every scene in this movie is supported by archive footage. Some of what you're about to see is extremely disturbing wake up in the middle of the night almost every night there's nothing unusual like there's one thing there's an owl at my window or pig a white owl just looking at me never seen it before. Tell me when I was a kid just staring at me. I seen it a lot every night this week three to tell me about the to like a normal person that voice speaking Sumerian the oldest language in human history. You can go into any Sumerian exhibit and see etchings and sculptures of men in spacesuits and oxygen masks rockets that look like Apollo duction theories you mean alien abduction there are more missing people in no other town in Alaska would you say you were someone or something? came into my room took me away? 2009 budget of 10 million loss office. Have you tell me you tell me 1000 I don't know. It might have done it might have made all the way some money. Yeah, I think it was $7 million cry. What was your rotten tomatoes critics 17% Yeah, well, this has a beat. Oh, Rotten Tomatoes. 18% Okay, but your audience only had it at like 40 something 42 I was Oh well that beat mine which is at 41 very similar Yes, it was the same critics obviously. Guys directed by Allah today on soon Sunny. Of course it was who has directed Falling Skies 10 episodes of Star Trek Discovery and tons of genre television did a bunch of stuff that we like, you know, so, and he did a bunch of stuff that we like after this. So it was clearly the success of this film that kept him working. It was written by a tune day and a man named Terry Lee Robins, who wrote the cover the way you started saying that I was expecting another incredibly complicated listen, I'm wearing my I'm wearing my cheaters and for whatever reason I didn't capitalize Lee and so I was like Terry ice Robin said can't be right. I bet he thinks it's the ice. This is all he wrote was the fourth kind in the cavern. And all the tune day also directed the cavern so this was some buddy of his starring Mila Jovovich. See if I can hold this far enough away to 59 credits, including The Fifth Element Monster Hunter, and of course, she's Allison the Resident Evil movies. Alliance Curtius. Now you guys know this guy a lot. And we pronounce his name various ways. I'm telling you with authority. It is Elias. piteous is 90 credits. He was of course, Casey Jones and the Teenage Mutant Ninja ninja. I think I call them Le s or something. Yes, it's Elias. The prophecy skinwalkers Haunting in Connecticut, he has done just a ton of stuff and fully half of it is genre stuff. So I don't know if he's just a fan or he likes a paycheck. Well, you know, little thing. And also says well, Patton 114 credits, including the puppet masters, which I just watched while I was sick, do not watch Armageddon, the Mothman. Prophecies, Halloween and Halloween kills. Still working. This guy is big time. Wow. Okay, so you both seen this movie. Based on your reaction to the title when he announced it. I assume you don't care for this movie. It is in the bottom five films I've ever seen. Wow. I don't remember my Wisata need to see more films. Okay, so right off the bat. Mila walks up to the you know the screen and speaks directly to the camera and says this is a true story. And she is playing dr. Abigail Taylor. And then it goes into a old video from the 90s purporting to be an interview with the real Abigail Taylor and she starts recounting her story. So the movie is in tow with Dramatis eyes dramatize incidents. drumettes is Hold on a second. More wine will help. That that is the solution to your pronunciation issue feeling good about this dramatized air incident starring the actors, but then intercut with actual video footage from the 90s. And it's, it's pretty convincing. Yeah. So right off the bat, we get Abigail being hypnotized. Do you see what their goals are? Not to try to remember the face of her husband's murderer. Okay, you guys gang. He was stabbed through the heart right next to her in their bed in the middle of the night. And the trauma was so much that she blocked everything else about that night. Okay, sure. Yeah, yeah. This is super important. Meanwhile, Abigail herself is doing a study on sleep deprived individuals in our hometown of Nome, Alaska. I don't know if you guys know anything about Nome. Alaska is very tiny. It is out in the boondocks is literally on the edge of the permafrost at the top of the planet. I'm sure Vanessa has been there. Sure. I mean, she got there and she was actually ticket close. So she's talking to her patients and she starts noticing this one thing they all seem to have in common. They all talk about waking in the middle of the night to see a white snow outside their windows watching them for hours at a time. And I will tell you this imagery is pretty fucking great. It's very unsettling and it looks just like the head of one of the alien greys that we are also familiar with. So you know exactly where this is going. Yeah. She suggests to one of our patients that she hypnotize him, hypnotize him. Do you see what I did there? Follow the rules. I remember so only like two people have been paid by by AD. I don't know. 10 minutes into the movie, Kelly, I don't know how you cheated. It follows the rules. I felt like their mind control slash hypnosis means they had to be hypnotized to do something that hypnotist wanted them to do. And this is not that No, no, I just wanted it in there just like telling people I cheated because it makes me feel like a bad boy. Okay, I'm sorry. Yes, you're very I'm so upset. How dare you? Really? No. I don't do much to I wish you would follow the rules. How could you betray my trust like this? Alright. Okay, thank you. I appreciate that. So she suggests one of our patients that she happened to remember something and when she does, he starts going into hysterics about whatever he saw that night. And this is all intercut masterfully with actual video video footage of her doing this. And it's like split screen. So you see the actor doing this, and then the actual video footage, but then to really make it cool. They change the split of the screen. So it's like sliding across the screen. You're seeing a little bit more of this and a little bit more of this and I'm like, Wow, check out this editing. This is not a Blumhouse film, but is clearly influenced by paranormal activity. Is that the shitty is that it isn't before paranormal. No, no, no. This is universal trying to get in on that. Oh, sure. Okay. So anyway, he goes into hysterics, and she finally gets him out of the hypnosis. And although he's shaken, he seems to get himself under control. And he's like, Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. And she's like, Okay, well, that was weird. So that night, he goes home, he kills his wife and kids and himself, sir, screaming in some kind of weird, unknown language. And this is all edited together with real footage of the incident, because they've got like a police cam outside the house, and you see him like, threatening and then you see him shoot, and they blurred out the faces of the wife and everything. So it's like, it looks, you know, it's a pretty good effect, I gotta say. So the next day, she's back at it, hypnotizing the shit out of another patient. And this guy says, going into convulsions and shit. And it's a little close to the way the first guy acted. So he sent home with police escort, this time to kind of monitor the situation. And I love that the cops are like, Yeah, we should probably keep an eye on this guy. But nobody's like, maybe we should just stop hypnotizing them. But yeah, he thought that this is a problem here. So anyway, so now she's on the case. She's trying to figure out what's going on and everything. And in her own late husband's research, remember, he was stabbed in the bed next to her. She finds the name of a doctor he had contacted, and she calls him and they meet and she finds out that her husband was having these similar kinds of dreams with the snow, owls and such and all that shit. And when the doctor starts listening to the tapes that she has of her patients, he concludes that the language they are speaking is Samarian my forehead language, which raises the question, How would you know what Samarian sounds like? It is a dead language, no one that knows what it sounds like. So that should make you start scratching your head as you're watching this. But anyway, from here, we start going from incident incident. There is a pretty great live footage seen of one of her patients. She goes to visit him at the house and he's having a hard time and everything and she hypnotizes him opening his mouth impossibly wide and the footage they're doing the live footage and he starts levitating off the bed but then the footage starts you know getting all grainy and shit like you know something supernatural is happening so you can see it, and it is all done to very good effect. So she decides, guess what, that's enough she attempts to go home and fuck right off, but the cops show up. And they say the dude she had just seen had contorted himself so badly that he broke his own spine. And the cops want to arrest her for being responsible for the horrible things that have happened in this town. Finally, because of her bullshit hippotherapy. does say there follows a rather unsatisfying piece of actual live video footage from a police dash camera that suggests a massive spacecraft above her house for a minute and then her daughter disappears, seemingly abducted by aliens, but the cops are gonna pin it all on her. After this, it gets incredibly stupid, because the cops then talk to her about the murder of her husband. But then he holds up a picture of her dead husband with a bullet hole in his head and explains to her that he suicided himself. And he and her doctor have clearly known this the entire time. So they've been aware that this woman who dealt with the trauma of her husband suicide by believing he was murdered, has been practicing therapy and hypnotherapy in their town. And you, you all are like, oh, now I'm starting to think that cops are kind of responsible for a lot of this bullshit. Alaska yo, yeah. Okay guys, so this whole story is fucking bullshit. The basis of this was the amount of missing persons reported in this tiny town of gnome. But when the Feds got there, they concluded that most of those cases were caused by the rampant alcoholism in the town and people just wandering off into the tundra. So even if you like me would say that sounds exactly like a government cover up bullshit story. The live footage starts falling apart if you know anything about know that far up. When you get to the permafrost the world is basically flat and clear. You can see forever the trees can only grow to about eight feet tall because there is nothing to feed them. So the the town probably looks very similar to the town from 30 Days of Night, right? But in the live footage we see we're showing mountains for us and all that shit and it just does not exist up there. You know where it does exist. Vancouver BC yo. Yeah. Yeah, so trivia. The fourth kind is a reference to scientists JL and Hynix famous categories involving the sightings of UFOs. Close Encounters of the Third Kind also refer to this scale. Do you guys know what the first second third fourth kind is? Absolutely not. So first kind of seeing it. second kind is something leaving evidence of a visitation. The third kind of contact the fourth kind of duck was yeah, pretty big. If I haven't made this clear, this movie is a giant fucking hoax. So the movies hoax interviews have angered the families of real missing persons in and around Nome, Alaska for trivializing their loss. Melanie Edwards, Vice President of power rock, Inc, an organization representing tribal peoples in Alaska. By the way, the town of Nome is over 50% indigenous people and not one of them show this. Anyway, she described the movie as insensitive to family members of people who have gone missing and gnome over the years, universal has refused to discuss the movie without organization or with local journalists. According to the Anchorage Daily News, no mites didn't much like the film exploiting unexplained disappearances of Northwest Alaskans. Most of them likely perish due to exposure to the harsh climate science fiction nonsense. The Alaska press liked even less the idea of new stories about unexplained disappearances and gnome area being used to hype some kind of fake documentary by the way, universal set up a bullshit site where they had articles from but they list actual gnome newspapers. ads, so no newspaper like got on their case quick and they're like, Hey, take this shit down. What are you doing? The screenplay for this film was featured in the 2008 blacklist. You guys familiar with the blacklist? Oh yeah, it is a list of the most like unmade scripts of the year. So this was apparently a very light script, it turned into a pretty shaky movie. And then finally, the real doctor Abigail Tyler was played by the actress Charlotte mill shard. In the end credits she appears credited as dr. Abigail Taylor, and in the final cast list with her real name, but as one of the Noma residents, I looked her up. She's done a couple other movies even lately, and she is weird looking in this movie, but she is quite attractive in real life. It's weird how that works. A little bit of makeup, you know, wash your hair. Take those lashes off. Exactly. That ponytail. Don't forget the stairs. No, I got to walk downstairs. I wanted to do this movie. Because I keep seeing this pop up on people's lists of oh my god, have you seen this movie this RFI and they act like it is real is a big fucking hoax. It's it's a hoax in the manner of Blair Witch Project, but not done as well and then not revealed. Well, this is okay, so now you've hit the reason why I hate this movie. Because not only is it a hoax, but it ends with so so I'm sorry is unethical. It ends with a missing child and saying this child has gone missing if you see her. Here's I think a phone number. Am I correct? Yeah, I think it's something Yeah, no. Is it a hoax, but they push it and push it to a point where it's like, not only is this a shit movie, but you guys are freaking people out and making them concerned and thinking, oh my god, there's a little missing girl in Alaska. Like, are you kidding? It's not worth it. Well, now, part of the problem is if that had been done by Eric and I on a budget of $10,000 Obvious Well, yeah, but also facts if we've been able to. People think that And then we'd be fucking heroes. Because it was just like, oh, well, we wanted to, you know, perpetrate this hoax. Yeah. It was done by Universal Studios, somebody Universal Studios. And I think that there's a, there was a moment there's a flash in the pan around Blair Witch Project where people were like, yeah, we can do this crazy thing where we trick a bunch of people through the medium of cinema. And you know what, that's fine, but it's still a cheap fucking shot. And it's still really it kind of cringy in retrospect, and people shouldn't keep doing it years later, with much bigger budgets. It doesn't. It's never really worked on that level. Again. What Blair Witch pulled off was because it was nobody had ever done that before. And that was new. And it's just like a moment in time. We're way too nasty and cynical anymore. I would say savvy, but cynical was also another way to say that. A lot of the articles and the research I did were from 2009. So there were people immediately trying to shut this down. Yeah. So and it didn't, you know, it did well, financially. But obviously, the critics and the audience hated it. So one of the things I thought was so, so interesting is that Mila Jovovich is a good actor. Yeah, she's good. Yeah. She is not nearly as good as the gal who's portraying her in the live video. And that is part of the part that makes you go. Is this real? Right? I was dating an awful human being when I saw this movie, and I saw her with her and she was absolutely the person that universal was aiming this for because she bought every fucking thing about it. And I was just like, I don't think those mountains could possibly exist. And she was like, Why do you want to ruin everything? Want to ruin everything? Just his relationship? Oh my god, you're gonna ask for this get taken out later. Yeah, please. added that up. Fellas, please. Just call Carlos right now. Um, that's my movie. I was glad to watch it again. Because the the really frustrating part of this is that there are some great scenes in this the guy who's levitating off the bed that raise the hair on my arm. Yeah, it was creepy looking. And the snow our whole imagery was so creepy. I assume that that's an actual thing that has happened in abduction stuff because I think as soon as you see it, you're like, holy shit. It's gonna snow. Well looks like it looks just like an alien. Yeah, pretty cool again. Yeah. So yeah, it is a spooky movie there. There are moments in there that do really resonate moments. But But overall, it's just overall, you are like, if this were real, every official in this town should be tried to, you know, be responsible for all the bullshit in this Alaska. Yeah, that's like, once you find out that, that she's traumatized. And she somehow took her husband suicide, which I think they say she saw him actually put the gun to his head and kill himself. And she turned that into a knife attack in their bed. That's so like, I don't I don't get the correlation there. So the mind can be really weird. But that seems like a strange direction bend up and just seems like you know, all the tune day look, I'm just showing off Eric. Seems like Ola today could have written something a little tighter there. But I'm like, how did this fucking get made? $10 million. Sounds like if it was on the blacklist. Riyadh maybe rewritten a little bit or something. Yeah, people are really excited about the concept and that it just kind of was like, well, if enough people believe in it, it makes me wonder what the blacklist script look like. And if somebody universal basically said, what if we add a found footage aspect to it? Yeah, that's what I'm wondering if it was a fully found footage thing, and somebody was like, let's WHAT IF WE DO RE creations? Right? Because every time you see an actor come on stage, their name comes up next to them. And then you see like a photo of the real person. And it's like, it is a pretty slick production. I gotta say. Yeah. So it's definitely not that a normal, normal human being like your ex would definitely be like, oh shit, it's real. No, that definitely wouldn't happen. She's quite stupid. I'm not Look, I'm just saying a lot of people go to the cinema and aren't us and aren't super savvy. And so and they are reading all the critics and they aren't aware of all the bullshit. And they might be like, Oh, shit. Anyway, I also spent a hi mom. I also spent a This summer in Dillingham Alaska, when I was 13. Thanks so much for that. And that was flat as shit. And it was also about 100 miles south of Nome. Yeah. So, you know, it was like impossible to watch it as someone who would actually been up that far. Yeah. realize, oh, this is just a bunch of mud up here. Yeah, that makes sense. All right. I'm getting angry. I think it's my turn for the next Yeah, pick something better than I did. Well, that's up to you guys. You both picked movies that you hated while I love that I hated it. I was fascinated. i Sorry, I was projecting. Probably yes. So I thought that it would be fun. You know, there are a lot of movies where you watch something like say a Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Three I think it is. And it's got Matthew McConaughey and Renee Zellweger. Yeah. And I was like, what if we do a an episode on before they were stars. So you guys pick a movie that's got somebody who turned into a big star. Jennifer Aniston was in troll. I think it was. Troll. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so something you know, along those lines. How's that sound? That sounds great. I'm doing that I already did cutting class was Brad Pitt? Brad Pitt? That was his first film. Yeah, I was one of them. It was a really early one. Okay, so it doesn't have to be their first film. It just has to be, you know, a film where you're like, watch for they were saying how did this person get in this way? That sounds awesome. I love it. I love it, too. That's why I chose it. Well, I love it more because I'm excited to watch something and it doesn't suck, hopefully to talk about something. Alright, this brings me to the part where I thank everybody for participating in the value for value value. Number four value as I learned value for value model. 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