288 GRAVE MATTERS!

288 GRAVE MATTERS!
The gang discusses shaking up the format of the podcast - just a tad - and then gets into their picks for movies featuring cemeteries!
Also discussed: Alien: Romulus, Stop Motion, Terminator Zero.

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Oh, I'm sorry, did I break your concentration somewhere between science and superstition. We have such sights to show you strange eons. Welcome to strange eons radio that is Eric over there, hello, and that is Vanessa over there, hello, and I am Kelly. Hey guys, we're going to be switching up the show just a little bit starting today. I reached out to you guys, and I said that I felt like maybe we were getting into a bit of a rut in the second half of the show and just kind of telling the entire story of the movies we had picked and all that stuff. And I thought that maybe the listeners liked it better when we just kind of told our feelings on the story. And remember when we had started this, we always kind of wanted to make that second half a show like a couple of friends sitting around at a bar saying, I just watched this movie, and not not giving them, you know, a blow by blow thing. So with that in mind, we're going to cut our time to talking about the the actual film stuff, to a five minute thing on the buzzer and and then we'll just be able to have a free time to talk about the film altogether, if we want. I had seen on this other podcast that they use these little five minute hourglasses that they turn over and and I thought that's brilliant, but I don't know if it's really brilliant or if I just have a major crush on the girl who's in the podcast. So I decided that putting an hourglass in front of Vanessa might cause her to break out in hives. If she could actually see this little grain of sand falling concentrate, I'd just be watching. What do I say next? Oh, shit. So with that in mind, though, we still got the strange hands radio egg timer here, and instead of 10 minutes, we'll just put five minutes on it. But I really love and I think most of the listeners like the way we discuss the films that we see beforehand in our first half of the show. So want to keep that. I just want to make the second half feel a little more like that first half. Yep, exactly. Sounds, sounds like a conversation from long ago. I like him, yeah, and, and, you know, it might make for a shorter podcast. But who knows, it's not like that would be a horrible thing, right? Yeah. Well, you know, sometimes we'll get to the end of the five minutes and I'll say, have you seen the movie? Both of you say no, and you know that's kind of shuts it down, right? Or yes, we've both seen it, and we've got lots of thoughts about it, right, right? Well, okay. Well, then why don't we get right to it? And I'm going to tell you about some stuff that I have seen this week. Excellent. First one I talked about many months ago when the show, the TV show from started, oh yeah, I guess probably many years ago. And for some reason, I stopped at episode two and never bothered to finish it, but I've had some free time this weekend, and I have watched the entire first season. And I gotta say, Holy cow, you guys do not sleep on this show. It is scary. Yeah, I remember. I don't think I watched the second, but I did watch all of the first Yeah, that's really good. That's a wild that was a long time ago, though. Yeah, so season one and two are available on Prime right now, and Season Three starts this month on Paramount plus. And it's a paramount plus show that you know is done for them, you know, just like evil was. And so it's, it's a little sexier than you'd see on regular network. There's a lot of swearing and the gore and the scares are very gory and very scary. So it made me think about it's got a very Stephen King feel to it. And it's so interesting to me that some of these movies can come along that have, you know, just a bit of Stephen King in them, and they are so much better than the actual adaptations of Stephen King stories. And I'm wondering why. That is, why they can't actually adapt a Stephen King property into something that feels as scary as these other ones that are not directly related, like that Star Wars problem all over again, where it's like the Mandalorian, because nobody was managing. It gets to be incredible. But if you try to make Obi Wan or anything on stuff we know about, it's just garbage, because people want to get their hands in there, it has to be right and like, I don't know. I feel. Like, when you're dealing with a property that is known or loved or marketable, they get too many, too many cooks are in the kitchen that sounds, sounds plausible. Plus, I mean, happens with Lovecraft too? Some of the best Lovecrafts are Lovecraftian, as opposed to direct adaptations. Although they have some great direct adaptations too. Was it that recommended, like, on one of the Stephen King books, or something? I thought I saw it popping recently. I think Stephen King has recommended it himself, and that'll be kind of funny. I'm not sure why I like this show so much, but it's really great. It's really appealing. The problem, of course, is that it is by the creators of lost, and it has a lot of that feeling of lost where they're just constantly giving you a new clue, but they're asking another question. And so I'm like, I sure hope you guys have a fucking ending figured out for this show. Internist lost had an ending figured out, but they were forced to do, like, six seasons, or whatever the fuck they did. They wanted to finish it, like season one or two, and it was gonna be that they were all dead, and then they were like, Oh no, that's not the ending. And then they ended up, yeah, circling back to that. Anyway, I was one of those people who didn't hate the ending of loss because I had fallen in love with the characters so much, but it certainly did not feel like that's what they had planned for it from the beginning. No, I think that they really had to weave their way around, and it just sucked, because they just had to keep creating questions and creating questions, and at some point it's like, ludicrous. Like, wait, now we're in the past. Now we're back in future, in the present, or, like, what the Yeah, yeah. Anyway, that is the show from F, R, O, M, and first two seasons available on prime. Or, if you have Paramount plus, obviously, yeah, and from season two that that just dropped, didn't it? No, that's that was last year. So from season three drops this month. Oh, okay, that's why, because it's been advertising at me non stop. Looks like a cool show I should check out. Well, speaking of things that I should check out that other people have already seen, I finally went and saw alien Romulus, which you both have seen now, right? Yes, yeah, I will say definitely. I really liked that first half hour, 40 minutes, a lot. I thought it was so good. It like felt good. The planet felt good. I fucking love her brother. I can't remember the character's name, but like, that whole like setting up these new elements within a known universe was so cool. And then What the actual fuck like for somebody who clearly loves the Alien series? Like, how can you go from being like, Oh, I'm gonna get the design right and the tone right, and whatever, except for alien three, is like, I'm, I've, you know, been infected, and it takes three days. And for these people, it takes, like, a minute to, like, urban, this alien that then transforms and jumps out and goes to the next person. It's like, what the hell is this? And then the, yeah, the, I swear, like the final alien just looked like they walked out of a blue in the house film, like it was just like, is this the tall man? Like, what the fuck am I? Slender Man, whatever? Like, what am I looking at right now? This is some dumb ass shit. And using lines from Alien two that just were obviously just shoved in there. There was a lot of problems at the end and not having a unique ending. Eric had to point out to me, because I didn't catch this on my viewing until I, you know, started looking at pictures again, that that creature at the end is one of the engineers. Yeah, it's a mixture of an engineer. You did say that? Oh, well, I said that, and I'd seen it, like the weekend it came out. So we were in week one, so I ended up trimming some of my comments because they were so spoilery. And it was like, Oh, I don't want to be that guy and give away because that is like the ending. So I trimmed a couple of my comments about the engineers out, because, yeah, that's not what we do at the first half well, and now the second half of our show. Well, okay, so now that we all seen these, and probably anyone who wants to see this movie has sounded already, I'm going to talk a little bit about like some real story problems. If the if Whalen Yutani is so interested in these aliens that they have sent a crew out to grab the alien. You. From space, and then it gets loose. They seem to be like, somehow making face huggers, yeah, and I don't quite understand how that happens off of just this, this one alien, but they are doing that. And then the ship gets overrun, right? And then we are told that the ship that they're going to is going to just fall into the the ring of debris around this planet, right? Yeah, if the aliens are so important, why hasn't Waylon Yutani sent somebody up there to grab one of them? Yeah, I was wondering the same thing, and they're just gonna let this ship destroy after they finally found these aliens. It's weird. My brain was trying to fill in the, fill in the gaps. And I was like, Well, surely it was such a secret, you know, mission, that, like all the people who knew about it, were dead on the ship, like, it's, yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It's, it's pretty dumb that there's even just, there's no other scavengers who are like, we're gonna go check this out. It's just some kids who were like, hey, it's been there for a little bit. We should go check it out. Like nobody wanted to get, you know, scrap it for copper or whatever. You know, debranzo and I had gone back and forth on this because we were both, like, just another eye on another pair of eyes, on the script, somebody who would go, Well, wait a second, why this instead of this same story? And why don't you make it that Waylon Yutani has hired a group of young people, no questions asked you go up. We just need you to pick up this one thing for us and bring it back and we'll get you or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I mean, that seems so like such an easy plot, like answer, just this exact same story without this massive plot hole now, and you have the exact same problem set up where they add time to her, like, sentence and whatever, and now she especially wants to get out quick, because, as it is, it's sort of like they have to do so much exposition to explain who the guy is, who calls her? All these people on the ship who are like, there to who is this plucky young girl, who's this, like, asshole guy, like, they definitely could have just trimmed all that out and been like, yeah, we got together a crew of like, misfit kids who we don't want to pay much to, and their lives mean very little. And you know, if it works great, if it doesn't, well, we're in the same position we were. So there's that, there's that whole call back to the Get away from her, you bitch, which makes, which makes zero sense in the context of this film. Yeah. And from coming from that character makes even less sense. Yeah. Neither one of his personalities would say that. It's so stupid. And then finally, you guys tell me so the the now I can't remember the name of the Android that they find that they hook up that looks just like Ian Holm, right? It looks like Ash, but he's somebody else? Yeah, I have a theory that that was not supposed to be Ian Holm when they were shooting it, really and at and the studio at the end was like, Oh, what if we turn that into Ian Holmes face instead of the actor we have hired. Why does he as a nut, because it's so fucking stupid. It is the worst CGI I've seen in a hot minute. Like in a hot minute, really bad. If they had even made a melty plastic scene model of Ian Holm, like, not even like any CGI, just like a with a mouth that go like that, that fit a fake person better too. Yeah, you're right. So much better. I just don't understand. Like, I mean, you might have, you might have something there. I would love to know, because it doesn't make any sense why it would be Ian home. Like, 00, cents, yeah. So, I mean, we know that they make multiple versions of the androids because we see Bishop a couple of times, but there was just no need for this, and the CGI was so bad that I thought this was a last minute edition. Yeah, I'd say that definitely was the place where they spent the least amount of money, although I will say I loved her hot Reeboks kicks. I hope they sell those we need. We need a new thing for everyone on alien day to spend $500 on so you hear the yo class play. Alien Romulus, okay, Eric, Vanessa Kelly, you were talking, so I had to hit my head. That was your like. So yeah, I watched another really good 2024, horror film, stop motion. I. Yeah, shutter right now, I kind of avoided it a little bit, just because I don't know why is I don't know stop motion. I don't know if I want a silly one or one. So massively depressing is the like stop motion I watched. This is a smart film, smart, interesting, a wonderful examination of a tortured artist and what they might go through and the way the creative mind can just mess with your life and incredibly well executed. The stop motion is nauseating at times, and that is a massive compliment. It is so well done, and the ideas are so well executed. The performances are amazing all the way through this is definitely that I don't see any way This doesn't end up on my top five list for the year. By the end of this year, it is so good. So wow, haven't seen it. Check it out. It's dark and kind of depressing, but it's very depressing, but it's well done, at least. I think it, it also, for me, falls into that scene category where we were talking about oddity, which is really good, but very predictable. I mean, there's a toy and stop motion that you see coming like almost from the start, yes, and but I was still fine with it, because there's just something about watching an artist go insane that there's a trope that I really like, and stop motion photography is just so fucking inherently creepy looking anyway, even if it's a deer walking in the woods or something. Yeah, that's true. It's creepy. So this, this was a, I thought this was a really neat horror flick. It must have fucking taken forever to do some of that shit. The construction of some of those dolls. I don't know if it's not motion. I'm sure they have an official term that's, I don't know, but they were so interesting. Yeah, really unique looking. So yeah, well worth checking out. Yeah, that's on shutter, right? Yeah, yep, right now. Okay, then I am going to talk about boys. Let's just say I really want to love Rings of Power, and I am having a really hard time. Yeah, say I didn't think you even finished the first season. I thought you I finished the first season, and I thought it ended really strong. So I was like, All right, let's go. And then I'm just like, dying every time I watch it, snoozing and all this stuff. So instead, I will talk about, Are you guys familiar with Terminator 00? I have it in my list, but have not watched it yet. Yep. Same here. It's pretty dang cool. It is a prequel to The Terminator movies. It's an anime series, and it's just gorgeous. It it rambles a little bit like most anime does, for me, at least, but it is so cool looking, and it's so wild to see the terminators rendered in anime style all that that I'm just like, I don't even know what's going on. I don't care. This looks really cool. So that's on Netflix, and it is, I think it's an eight episode series. I'm on Episode Five. No idea what's going on, but it looks good. So, yeah, gorgeous. Watch some of those. Man. Well, uh, gosh, I kind of, part of me wants to talk about the evil finale, finale, but Eric, you probably saw, I have finished it. You have finished it. Oh, no. Well, what, what did you? Did you feel satisfied? As I think that, um, Kelly was by the evil season finale. Oh yeah, absolutely. And I, I like the open endedness of it. Also, they definitely are like, if you, if you build it, we will come, but we will come. Did you not like the I, felt, I felt frustrated, I think because they spent so much time building up the sort of love between David and I'm forgetting her name, the main character female that I just was like, Ah, you're still okay. This is just going to continue until you guys die. Well, wait a second, did you not feel like they were together by the end? No, I did, yeah, because he's a priest off in Italy and they're continuing this. Like, if he's a priest, he's a priest. Like, yeah, you wanted them to be together sexually. Yes. I. I know, like they're friends a couple, but not. No, they're they're like friends zoned for all eternity. It's like a horrible you're like, give them your vows, you fucking asshole. She's hot. Yeah, he's the super inner let me go toll cynical on you for it. He's super inner circle priest. If he wants to do whatever the he wants to, they're going to look the other way. I know he wants to live with her and kind of have a family. No, no, we have separate bedrooms. Okay, good, that's good enough for us. Come help us with our remote viewing. To his mind palace. No, I just, I think knowing, like, the way they built him, I feel like he wouldn't do it. And It's just frustrating, because they spend this whole season talking about how fucked up the entity is and how it's like, just, just, like, destroying his soul, and how he has to, like, go to confession after each one, because it's burdening him with like, demonic like tumors, and then at the end, it's like, no, but it's okay, he's gonna be there. But, I mean, I am happy that she's there, and I'm happy that was his name is making a lot of money. That's cool, but I don't know. Like, I just there was a few, I don't know. I guess I wanted it to just be a little more satisfying. I would say if they wrapped it up the way you're looking, the series is done. I know, I know. I mean, but in my head, I was like, Oh, this is the end, end. I didn't realize that they might potentially as popular as it is, that could even be, even if there's not another series, there might be some movies. So no, you're right. You're definitely right. If you look at it from that angle, then you can't, like, you absolutely can't. But it was hard. And like, my favorite character of all that, like quirky nun being at the place of silence, I was like, fuck, she's so great. Don't mute her. Don't mute her. She's so good. I just want to follow her around. I don't want her to have her own show. I just want to, like, keep seeing her in general. But you know, it'd be great, because this is not the end of shows where we've got religious people in the foreground. There have been shows like this for the last 30 or 40 years. They revolve around a priest or something like that. It'd be neat if she just shows up as a guest character, playing the same character in all these other shows that are not supernatural or anything like that, just Yeah. It's so neat to see Andrea Martin getting another, a second chance at becoming I never thought she was appreciated as much as she should have been, after she was one of those character or actors from SCTV that you know, John Candy and Eugene Levy and a bunch of actors came from, and she was always super funny, and I thought that she never got the recognition she deserved. So I love that it finally comes late in her life in a semi dramatic role. Also, I like the open endedness of it. Also, there they could have let Why can't I think of her name now, Katya Herbers is the actor, yeah, but I can't remember. Anyway, I like that kind of wild ending where she that could have been left as a, did I see that? But instead was played as a I saw it, and I'm gonna hide it. I was like, Oh, what an interesting choice. Kristen, Kristen, Kristen, God, yeah. So, yeah, I think I liked it because it did feel like, okay, let's get an evil movie. Yeah, one thing I did really, I really appreciated that they did, though, was when they find their doppelgangers online and they just allow her to speak her natural language. And just that was really fun, because it's like, this is her alter ego. This, like, happy go lucky hippie, ish, Danish woman. And just like, Ah, so good. Like, and you can see, like, how she's like, Oh, that's a life I could live. And that being her motivator for going to Italy is is pretty cool. So, yeah, yeah, I appreciated that. Did you watch the little making of thing after the last episode? It's fun. I mean, it's just five minutes interview, but it part of what I love about shows like this, where it sure looks like on screen that everybody is having a great time, and then you see behind the scenes, and, yeah, everybody is having a great time making that show. So that's really cool. I saw on the Twitter feed, um, the guy has Leland, whatever from lost. Like, his, his Twitter feed, he was, he is so happy, like, just being like, I got to work with these amazing guys. Like, here they are, like, killing me. Ah, it's so fun, or whatever. It's just like, it's really me. It was like, Oh, you guys, I'm evil, but I'm not a bastard. I'm really interesting. Character actor, role, yep, you know, I was telling you guys about that, my adventures with Superman cartoon that's on HBO Max, yeah, and why can't I think of that actor, the guy Leland. I love him so much. Yeah, he's but great. He He's the voice of Brainiac on that. And I was watching that, and I was like, God, why is this evil voice sounding so familiar to me? And so I finally looked it up, and it up and it was him. And I was like, of course, he's got the coolest voice. Michael Emerson. Michael Emerson, yeah, he's he's great. So yeah, wrapped it up well, I watched a movie that was enjoyable. It was not what you call high brow, but it was, it was fun, not highbrow movie. I know Shocking, isn't it? The more shocking thing is, Dina watched it with me. Why? Because it was the Foo Fighters Movie Studio, 6660, man. How is it? It's Dave Grohl. Is very natural in front of a camera. He he can play Dave Grohl really well. Some of the others are a little less. Taylor Huggins is pretty good too. Yeah. And surprisingly, Pat, what's his name? Pat Samir, the guy from punk band The forgot the name of but he starts out, I'm like, going, he's really stiff, but by the end, he's got this hilarious turn of screaming and running. That was, like, that was really ridiculous, but pretty gory. Basic storyline. That's a band we're going to go into this haunted house and record our next album. And it's growl, basically trying to figure out how to get past writer's block, and then what to do once he gets past writer's block. So if you like the band, you should watch it. It's it's just fun. Have either of you seen this one? Yeah, I saw it right when it came out, which was right after Taylor had passed, so it was little heartbreaking to see him in such a happy role. Yeah, I think that I really hope Dave Grohl is as easy going as he seems to be. He has no problem making fun of himself in this movie, yeah, and and portraying himself as a real prick boy. I hope that means that he is a nice guy in real life, yeah, yeah. Most of the most of the talk about him is, is that one of the knocks he gets a lot, which kind of was the same thing that our teacher from the film school, the guy who knew Paul Newman, Stuart Stern, Stewart Stern, where people are like, you just name drop. And it's like, yeah, please do tell me about the time you ran into and girls. Got a couple of those stories in his bio where he runs into people and he just fan freaks out, and it's fun, like, yeah, yeah, that's okay. That's cool. And he also did that series where he would go to a city and meet up with a band, or something. I don't remember his preform band, or if you put them together and they'd make a song, and they'd make a song, oh, cool by the end. And he was really, really fun in that. So seems good, unless he's just, you know, pulling it off real well. Yeah, yeah. Would you watch that on, uh, Amazon. I think Amazon studio 666, also great soundtrack. Yeah, the heavy metal music that they're coming up with there. I was just like, oh, this is cool music. Yes, yeah, the big Foo Fighters, fancy the Oh no, I Okay. My, my best friend, who's a huge fan. I actually bought it for a copy of it for her for Christmas, but still have not seen it myself, which sucks, but I will. I it's on the list. Maybe I'll get to finally see it this October. Cool. Yeah, Eric, is this one of your 100 days movies? Very nice. Yeah, I'm currently way far ahead of what I'm posting. I just haven't been posting very well. So although it looks like I'm nowhere near I'm actually pretty much exactly on time for the 100 days at this point. So I just have a lot I haven't posted very nice. I see you posting that on the actual 100 days page, but you'll. So poke sit on the strange eons radio talk page. So yeah, want to follow what Eric is watching. Jump onto that page. Yeah, lots of, lots of comments on those. So that's nice, yeah, why don't we take a little break, guys, and then when we get back, we will get into our Movie Picks, which is about cemeteries. Yeah? Goosebumps, terror in the graveyard game, get through the graveyard alive or be changed into a monster. Goosebumps terror in the graveyard game, collect bells, avoid hidden traps, find the magic ring, defeat the headless ghost, I win. Goosebumps. Terror in the graveyard game, you and we are back, Eric, this was your sub genre pick. Yes, yes, it is. I had no particular reason for it. It just sounded fun. Well, it is the inaugural pick for our five minute buzzer this time. So hopefully we can, we can get this going. You guys, no hourglass, but I do have five minutes on the board for you. Eric, here we go. Alrighty, so I did 2015, digging up the morrow. Marrow. Morrow, however you want to say it, in every society there are the deviants, the ones who are pure evil. He's been shooting this documentary love to roll Bitcoin. 100 yards beneath the surface of the Earth, exists a metropolis that mirrors ours and very many respects. I call it the marrow. William Decker claims that he's found monsters. I'd see their shapes moving through the woods. Is he crazy? Is he is he mentally ill? Is it at all a hoax? You believe this? Your belief? What if this guy's conspiracy theories are all true? Please don't get hurt right up there, the address to the marrow. Okay, do you see anything? Oh, god, he's right here in front of us. Now, turn, turn it on totally if it turns you're too blind to see what's going on around you. What are you gonna see? You're gonna see. Are you kidding me? You should just go. I warned you. I warned you. Some of the more dangerous just telling the truth about one single thing they know we found him. Stay away. This is out on hoopla for rent. It is a rotten tomatoes meter of 60 and a popcorn meter, 43 No, I thought we were tossing all that out. Directed by Adam Green, who you might know from hatchet and frozen, also written by him, starring Ray Weiss Adam green and will Barrett, who's their DP. The movie is the idea that there's a super fan of his who believes that there is a group of critters that leave 100 meters beneath a cemetery. And he has drawings of them, which are fantastic that he sends to him. This is obviously recorded at a convention. Payne hotter, Tom Hellman, mcgarris, Steve Barton, Don Coscarelli, the last on screen appearance of odorous from guar alright. He actually considered cutting it for a little while, and the Don't, don't, you dare put that in there. Apparently he, Adam green actually did receive some kind of a fan thing that saying that a guy had evidence that the hatchet killer was real. And he's kind of like, well, I don't know about that story, but let's adjust it and do this. And I tell you, Adam Green's, he's fine. I'm not a huge Adam green fan on screen. He's also fine. And then they cut to Ray Weiss, and it's like charisma taking over the screen. I'm like, you can just keep the camera. Him all the time, but so basically, it's those three guys through most of the film. Lot of extras come a lot of people coming in and out. Nobody else involved in the movie knew what the story was, for whatever reason, not entirely certain why that would be kept from them. His wife appears in the movie as herself couple times in the film, but the production took so long. By the time he'd finished editing it, they were divorced. Oh, and she has a couple scenes that are pretty integral to the story. So, you know, wasn't thrilled with it, but he had to. He had to keep her in or else the movie would have suffered greatly. Almost no CGI was used, which keeps the film very interesting. The creatures that aren't a lot of them, but when they show up, pretty cool. So Ray decides. Ray takes them out to the cemetery to where they sit, and they have to watch for the creatures that'll come out of the hole to do whatever they do. And so that's a lot of the film is him trying to prove to green that these things are real and green. And his guy not believing it is Ray setting it up. Is it real? It's fine. It's not a bad movie. It's a lot to like, mainly because Ray Weiss is so good. Green is fine. He does a nice job of being somewhat self effacing and talking about what's going on. Gets humiliated by a couple of the bigger stars in the movie for falling for this guy's stuff, because he sent it to all of them too, but none of them believed it. So let's see what else had on here. Like I said, Bree, hey, what? What time am I shooting here first time you got about a minute and a half wonderful the I started working this on 2010 and didn't come out five years later. It's some mockumentary style where it's interview footage. They set up cameras in the woods, little things along those lines. It was very obviously these guys just doing stuff when they had their spare time, because there's no budget. And I'm pretty sure frozen was either in the works or shortly out, because frozen T shirts and posters are everywhere. Oh, frozen. Not the Disney movie, but nope, is sitting on a ski lift pretending right can't find a way off for 90 minutes. But so I would say, if you're a way wise fan, check this one out. If you're an Adam green fan, I guess you probably like it too. But overall, a nice film worth checking out, but I wouldn't put it on the top of any of your list. Vanessa, have you seen this? It looks like you have. Kelly, yeah, I've got thoughts on this. My problem with it was Ray wise. Oh, really? Because he's not everybody's playing themselves, except for him, and he is arguably the most recognizable person in the cast. And if they had used like a nobody that anyone had ever heard of, this would have been, this will could have been pitched as a real thing, but instead, but instead, you know that this character who has seen all this stuff is an actor and a famous actor, yeah, yeah. It's odd. The pitch is is awkward, because it's a making of a documentary about a subject, right? So it Yeah, if somebody said came up to me and said, Dude, what is wrong with you? That movie is awful, I wouldn't have a strong argument against them, but it was, you know, definitely not at the bottom of the list of films I've seen even this month. What? So the director's name is Adam green, yeah, right, yeah. What has he done lately? Because for a while there he was doing a bunch of stuff. Yeah, he hit real big for a little while, and then not much at all. I think he's done, yeah, he's got shorts. Oh, Holliston. Holliston TV, that was still couple, six or eight years ago. Yeah, that was 2013 Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, maybe, I mean, it's real personal level for. The guy. But maybe the divorce really messed him up, and he just kind of, you know what, I'm just gonna enjoy my fame I've got and do conventions and have fun or something. I don't know. But yeah, he really has disappeared for as big as he was after the hatchet movies in frozen. Yeah, interesting, because this is obviously a no budget film. Oh, yeah. I think everybody was doing him a favor by being in this. Yeah, all the footage of Stars was shot at conventions that they were at, and yeah, so yeah, it's very much that. Or, I mean, I know a friend of ours, I won't go into details. Hates the guy for a couple reasons, but I don't know. Maybe he's not a great dude burn bridges or something. I don't know. It's all pure speculation, because it's not like he has a biography. We should change the name of our show to pure speculation. I you, Vanessa, you want to go next, not really, but I will. You're going next five minutes, all right? Well, I chose a film that's definitely on the nose, but I just never seen, which is the 1994 movie, cemetery. Man, Hello, it's me. Am I bothering you? Francesca, don't worry. Sometimes, hold on a minute. Franco, you in the great tradition of from dusk till dawn and the Night of the Living Dead. He was saying, Franco comes cemetery man, the movie critics are calling frightfully funny. Why the barbed wire? Do they climb in at night? The they climb out, sometimes a visualishness, deliriously original, a movie full of surprises. I'm alive, you're dead. A hilariously ghoulish wrong get down or I'll shoot you catch I'm the man X Rupert Everett, this time. Prestige is cemetery. Man coming October 1 to home video rated R. The reason why I chose it is. It's directed by Michael sawavi. 28 credits, including the church, which I loved so much I still haven't seen stage fright. So that's on me, but I just really was like, okay, cool. I need to check out more of his work. And this is a great excuse starring Rupert. Everett is probably the one person that you're going to really recognize in this movie. But it's very Italian, like very, very, very Italian. It's, it's even marketed as the last giallo. The story is, I know. The story is that Francesco della morte Rupert Evers character is a cynical cemetery caretaker in a small Italian town of Buffalo. His job is to kill any of the dead that rise, mostly by shooting their head off with his gun. No one seems to believe that this is happening, despite the mayor who hired him, like even the mayor who hired him does not believe that this is a real thing. And I'm like, Why did you Why are you putting this guy up? But he's there alone, like in the cemetery with his assistant, who's kind of this larger, like Hodor style character, I can't quite remember his name is like gruff or groar Grove or something, anyway. And then one day, of course, the most beautiful woman in the entire world enters his cemetery, and she's there grieving her recently deceased husband. One thing leads to another. They may or may not be banging on the husband's grave when he, of course, rises from the dead, kills her, and then that sets off a sort of cascading effect of character having to go around and kill her, and then he are our people, the monsters, or our zombies, the monsters. And he gets a little bit zesty with his, uh, murdering and maybe isn't just killing the dead anymore. So this movie, I I have so many confused thoughts about it when, when I was watching it, there's just a lot of weird things in it. The there's a lady who comes to the cemetery all the time and keeps calling him an engineer. And I'm like, I don't understand what this means. There's a huge theme of impotence and castration. The town is, like, obsessed with it. They keep talking about it to him. And I'm like, I don't understand. And why this is a thing. The woman who he falls in love with ends up playing three different characters across this film, which I was also like, okay. And he falls in love deeply with all of them, and they, like, he gets increasingly bitter and angry towards each one, to the point where the last one, he actually fucking lights her on fire and, like, locks the door. It's like, okay, but there is, and it ends with them. Sorry, spoilers. It's not really though they're all in a snow globe. Yeah, it ends with them in a snow globe. So yes, oh my god, it's the same one. It's snow Yeah, you better take a picture of that and post it on the page. Fuck. That's amazing. Um, I ultimately, I really don't know if I like this film or not. It feels like breathing the 90s. It's so, like, depressed and cynical and angry and philosophical at the same time, to the point where you're like, it's river Everett and he's hot, and every time he speaks, you're like, cool. But also, I fucking hate this guy. Like, scared you such a little shit. And you're like, why are you okay? That's fine. So it's really tough to tell. I don't know. It's growing on me. Um, I loved they have this weird popping color effect where it just feels really overly saturated, like the greens are just so green. It's just, I don't know, there's a lot in here. It's weird to think that this is made by the same guy who did the church. Honestly, like it feels very different. It's a comedy. The church is not a comedy. This is like a bizarre, funky, fresh comedy for the memories. Whether or not I liked it, I will tell you who did like it, and that is my eight month old daughter, Danica. Oh, this movie. She, by the way, cried Wednesday. She saw a sheep on the TV in a children's YouTube series. But this movie, she was like, yes, zombies, please shoot their head out. This is awesome. I'm into it. So that was, that was especially great. I do have a little bit of trivia, but I will say, if you really want some good trivia on it. I didn't realize there was a Joe Bob episode recently about this. So I would say, check that out, that they talk about a lot of, a lot of good stuff. But it is really useful to know that this is based on a very like, famous, famous, famous comic, like wildly more famous than any comic, that better sales than any comic we've had in the US, called Dylan dog, and they actually cast rubber Everett because they based the comic on his likeness. He didn't know this when he was hired and they sent him the script, and they didn't tell him, because they didn't want to like, give him, like, they would just want to see what he would think. And then they were like, oh shit, he's gonna say no, and then we're not gonna be able to, like, sell this to anybody. No one will see it because it's so popular, if it's not perfect. And so they sent him, like, a revised script that was, like a real story, and he responded with like, Fuck no, I'm not doing the real story version. I'm going to do the crazy, weird story version, and I'm going to be there in like two days. We're going to go. So yeah, it was, it's pretty cool. And actually, there's currently a Dylan dog and Batman crossover in comics bookstores now. So Whoa. Check it out, plus a great new release from Severin. I love that. They call it dilemma dilamante de la morete de la more that's the original title. I've got memories and questions. So yeah, because then Brandon Ruth starred in Dylan dog, which was also an adaptation of that, oh, a movie that came out in like, 2009 or 10. Oh, not very good, but it was actually quite a bit closer to the comic book. I mean, this is, it's like a character inspired and stolen from and put in, and it's the same writer, but it's not meant to be, like, it's, it's one of those things that he knew, like Italians would recognize the character enough to get mad about it. But it really wasn't meant to be directly. Dylan dog. Oh, interesting. Okay, so my question is this, it was billed as the last Jalo Yes, because, is this a Jalo film? It's, sorta, yeah, it's, I mean, they all are dubbed like, it's shot in Italy by an Italian director that's part of the giallo scene, but I think that his producer, who's, I can't remember her name, but she was heavily marketing it as the last giallo to like, really pump it up. And it is. That's like a big piece of trivia I kept running. Into about it was that it was considered to be the last giallo. I mean, it's, it's got some of those stylings, but obviously it's lacking a lot of stuff you're not seeing, like black gloves and lace and, you know, JNM, I would call that marketing, yeah, more than the movie itself being giallo, yeah, it's got like hints. It's got like a sneeze of giallo on it. Yeah, when they go into the town and stuff, it hits a little bit more giallo esque than the graveyard or other stuff. But this was, this was a weird one for me, and that this was one of the first major scarecrow What the hell am I renting? Why don't I rent it? Movies that I rented on a laserdisc Long, long ago. Whoa, as i Wow. Movies can be like this, holy and I love it. Love this film. So the only reason I knew about this film was because of you, Eric. And I don't know if you remember, you used to, like, put onto VHS for me the special features of movies. Oh, my God. And you just gave me this movie as a VHS. And I was like, Oh, what's this? And you're like, I'm not even gonna tell you what it is. I'm curious what you think. And I watched it, and I was like, God, I think I love this, but what the fuck did I just watch? Yeah, exactly. Yes. That's that's kind of the sense I have too. It's like part of me was like, I don't know if I like this or not, but I can't, like, get it out of my head, and when I think back on it, I feel really good because I'm like, I don't I guess I really like, I don't know. I think it's weird. It's so fucking weird. I don't know I part of the problem is Rupert Everett. You know him from, like, romantic comedies and stuff that he plays, like you said, just kind of a pissy human being, yeah? And he's the person you're supposed to be rooting for. So it's kind of like, I want to like you, but you deserve everything that is happening to you? Yeah, totally. It's, it's weird because he's so cynical, and he's just such a like, ass hat, but he's also like, really, like, engaging. There's just something about Mr. Everett that you're like, also, I just had a synapse fire off. Isn't his friend's name? Nagi. Nagi, yes. Thank you. Thank you. I, for some reason, hadn't written it down, but my bad. Okay, so I gave you guys five minutes. I'm giving me 10 because Bucky, hold on. Five minutes. Five minutes. I decided to talk about a film that was part of my crow viewing, and that is the crow, salvation. I want to be with you forever, only forever. The Crow. Legacy continues when a young man is wrongfully accused of murder. Alexander Frederick Corvis, do you have any last words? I love Lauren. I'm innocent. Now, with the guidance of the crow, he sets out to find the killer. Where did you come from? I'll make sure everyone knows that you're innocent, that you loved her. What do you want? I want to know why can't be alive, not without you. Eric Mabius, Kirsten, Dunst, the crow, salvation from the year 2000 directed by Barat naluriya, who's done mostly television stuff, episodes though of life on Mars, Eric the 100 Torchwood and outcast. And it's written, of course, by James obar, but I think he's just giving a given a credit as the creator of the crow and Chip Johansen, who's also done mostly TV, but 13 episodes of Millennium, 10 episodes of 24 and I think he might have been a creator on homeland, which I still haven't watched, but he's got 33 writing credits on that, so you would expect this film to be good. It is starring a guy named Eric Mabius. I recognize him from Resident Evil. Welcome to the dollhouse and 11 episodes of something called signed, sealed delivered that had 11 TV movie sequels. It's a hallmark series that's gonna ask, and it's all fucking Christmas bullshit, and you gotta pay, you gotta pay your mortgage somehow. Yeah, you. Uh. Kirsten Dunst is in this, of course, from Interview with the Vampire and Sam raimi's Three Spider Man movies. And just recently, civil war. And William Atherton, who was in Ghostbusters, Die Hard. Ghostbusters, frozen empire, looking for Mr. Goodbar. Very, very familiar looking guy. Fred Ward is in this, from tremors, Southern Comfort, the right stuff, Silkwood, Remo Williams, stuff like that. Also Dale midkiff, Walton, Goggins and Robbie Robinson. This is a fucking stacked cast Lord with a great writer. And okay, so I figured I'd go with this graveyard pick because I actually did not hate this movie. This is the third film in the crow franchise. In the studio still trying to figure out the formula, if you saw the second movie, City of Angels, they followed the original film structure pretty closely, in that the film opens with the police investigating the murderers, and then the crow showing up and bringing the dude back to life as the crow, and even had an adult Sarah, who was the little girl from the first movie. The guy they got in that movie acted like randomly, had the jokes and everything, even looked a little bit like him, although he rode a motorcycle, which was kind of cool in this one, none of that they we opened with our protagonist in prison on the night of his electrocution for murdering his girlfriend, which he claims he did not do. And then after he's dead and thrown into the prison morgue, he comes back as the crow, and instead of makeup on his face, his face is scarred in the familiar jester pattern. And then he goes on to uncover a corrupt police force who was responsible for the murder of his girlfriend as his subsequent framing for the crime. It's, it's not a bad storyline, and Walton Goggins as a bad cop is clearly how he got the shield for all but the kid they have chosen, this Eric, maybe this guy who's the oldest, 21 year old you've ever seen. He has zero charisma, and for the most part, he's walking around in his prison outfit before he finally gets a trench coat, which helps his appearance greatly. So he's just not cool looking at all in this movie. And he is the weakest link in this movie, and he's the lead. So that's not great. The movie also just looks cheap. City of Angels, while didn't look as cool as the original, had its own style and its own color scheme, and it was still not bad. I mean, that's a movie you guys should go back and watch if you thought you hated it. It's certainly better than the remake that is out in theaters right now. This one looks like a TV movie. Also, I noted that you can apparently only become a crow if you have a corvid related surname, so like Eric duravan In the first one and ash Corvin in the second one. And in this movie, Alex Corvis and in the next movie, Edward Furlong plays Jimmy Cuervo. You guys, whatever trivia. The film was released to a single theater in Spokane, Washington, oh shit, prompting fans to accuse Miramax of intentionally bombing it. Rob Zombie was originally set to write, direct and score the film, but he was fired because of creative differences. I've read the zombie script and it is fucking insane, and would have made a very cool movie. What else do I have down to my last couple of seconds? Alex De La Iglesias turned down directing this film, Eric, oh shit. And then I'm just going to tell you the trivia on the Rob Zombie thing. It says Rob Zombie was originally set to write, direct and score the film, but he was fired because of creative differences. In an interview, zombie explained what made him quit was when he submitted a script featuring an older, nastier crow and a gruesome spaghetti western, specifically with Scott Glenn in mind. Oh, shit. The producers liked this idea, until a year later, when they saw the box office success of I Know What You Did Last Summer and came to zombie telling him they wanted to make a third movie, a teen slasher, possibly starring skeet Ulrich. No to a zombie replied, fuck you. Scott Glenn as a spaghetti western crow. That's actually not what the script is that he wrote his kind of set, set, almost in the future, but it is a dirty, nasty, weird, fucking crow movie, and I would have loved to have seen that certainly better than what we got. The cemetery scene is the crow going to visit his dead girlfriend's grave, and then Kristen dunce plays the sister who who hates him and believes he has killed her sister. But when this guy shows. Up looking just like the boyfriend, except that he has scars over his eyes and his cheeks. She doesn't recognize him at all like, all right, all right, yeah, I'll tell you what, though, except for the performance of this guy, if they had a couple of bucks and another pass at the script, I think that they could have made this a little stronger. It is still better than the crow film that's out in theaters right now. What was that everybody who the few people who are still defending this crow movie, need to check themselves before they wreck themselves. You did see it? Right? Like the most recent Crow, yeah, I fucking saw it. I just, yeah, Vanessa's about to go, Well, I loved it. I know I haven't seen it. Okay? I'm just like, you know, the problem is this, there's, there's certain things that you do in a film that make you like your your protagonist, right? Like in the crow, when we finally see Brandon Lee crawl out of the grave, we don't automatically like him. No, we like him because of the flashbacks where we see that he's a musician, and we're like, okay, he's an artist, and he does something good with his life. And we see these flashbacks of him and his wife, or a soon to be wife, because they get killed the day before their wedding. They're laughing together, and they've taken in this street urchin and the Little Sarah girl and all this stuff. And you're like, Oh, these are good people, and that's why you're rooting and that's why it makes sense that that he's come back for revenge in the remake, the Eric and Shelley meet in like a rehab center. They're both drug over or drug addicts. They escape from there, and do they fucking run from the mob, the supernatural mob, that is after Shelley. No, they go to a house, and then they get fucked up on drugs, and that's their entire thing of falling in love with each other, and then they're killed right after that. And I'm like, why? I kind of don't believe this is true love. Yeah, that's kind of like the wrong takeaway from the previous because, like, the original, it's, I think people get mixed up with what's interesting about movies like this, like you said, it's people are probably like, oh, it's really about, like, this idea of a guy, like, coming out of the, you know, grave and looking all crazy and killing people and and then it's The 90s. So of course, everyone's thin and strung out, instead of focusing on the things that are actually just core story elements that would work in any time, yeah, which is things like, you know, love and in a place that's ravaged by disaster. I mean, that's why, like, i That's why I, like, the original Mad Max, because I'm like, This guy just is trying to have a cool family, and he's just a good dude doing his best in the fucking you know, like, that's just why these why stories work. That's how you have a likable main character. I don't understand that. Doesn't make sense to me. Why they would have that be there, and why give them such a long lead up love story anyway, just, well, a lead a love story that makes that makes you not like them, makes you not believe. Like, why do we care that they're on drugs? Like, how is that relevant? Do they use drugs to lure them later, if they even if they wanted to have them be drug addicts, maybe they overcome the drugs and leave together, not escaping in love and try to start a new life in a halfway house and get killed that. Yeah, that's tragic and good. Yeah, there's basic storytelling 101, which is you gotta like your main character, even if they're kind of an asshole, then they overcome that. And, you know, you get, you get Han Solo or something like that, you know, right? Also, this new crow has an ending that I defy anyone to fucking make sense of. It has a fucking time travel ending that that negates everything you've seen in the film, if you actually kind of examine it for a minute. So do they go back in time and, like, fix earth? Well, they kind of spinning around the globe. No, nothing, nothing that great, but no, that would have made sense. Then instead, instead, something happens where it's like, oh, so she didn't die because of this, but she's brought back to the time where she was almost dead. And I'm like, does that mean that everybody who's still trying to kill her is still alive after he went and killed them all? I don't know, just so weird, dumb fucking writing. Anyway. Okay, the crow three. Check that, yes, the crow three. Salvation, not as bad as you think. That should be the blurb on the DVD. That's what the blurb should be for alien three. What do you know? Okay, what'd you guys think of the shorter time limit on that? Yeah, I think, I think it was fine. I with my notes for a little haphazard So, like I was kind of flying by the seat of my pants through this one. Next time, maybe it'll be a little bit more thought through. It leads more towards what I've tried to do for a while is not, not tell the whole story, but still fill 10 minutes, right? Stuff, which got difficult at times, but so I like the well, it was never supposed to be. We had to fill 10 minutes. It was we could go past 10 minutes. So Vanessa, I get excited to talk out loud. I only get so many opportunities. You guys have. Guys have given me one, and therefore take it well. I felt like we all still talked for a good amount of time, but the afterwards talk is, I think, a little more fun, yeah, like that, than just spelling out what happens in this entire Yeah, definitely. And there's a few, few of our listeners, I know that won't listen to an episode until they've seen all three films, and I think this could help speed that process up for them, even though I just gave away the ending of the brand new crow movie, alien Romulus and fair points. Hey, if you guys, listeners, if you like this, you can reach out on strange eons radio talk and tell us that it worked, or reach out on the strange eons radio hotline, which is 253-237-4266, and let us know if you're liking this kind of time change that we're doing in this I part of the reason is that going into this I I've been trying to set writing goals for myself, and I would count anything that I wrote as writing for the day, even if that meant that I was writing a ton of notes on the film that I was watching. But now that I am actually fucking writing constantly, the all those notes are getting in the way of my real writing. Like, I still want to watch movies and I still want to talk about them, but I don't have as much time as I used to. I think that's fair. I don't I don't know how much you know. We want to bring the value in the interesting bits of like, our thoughts on the films and maybe some of the fun trivia that people wouldn't know already, who had seen it, and give them a mild refresher. I think that that works really well. We don't, we don't need to give them the beat by beat, but I will miss saying things like, will they blah, blah, will they still? You can still do that just for how you do it. I don't know. I had it. I had it for this one written down. And I was like, not going to make any sense if I say this. I had it on my notes too. This was a quick rewrite this morning of the notes I had on this film. I just highlighted the words that made sense well. So that means, that means it's my pick for the next sub genre, you guys. And I don't know why I wanted to do this again, but I would really like to re examine giant insects, or giant something, you know, I'll even accept, you know, the colossal man or something like that. 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