307 REMEMBERING DAVID LYNCH

307 REMEMBERING DAVID LYNCH
Kelly doesn't want to pick up his mail, and the gang talks David Lynch movies.
Also discussed: Wolf Man, Star Trek: Section 31, Severance

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These are the lessons I learned in the industry. Yeah, oh, I'm sorry. Did I break your concentration? Somewhere between science and superstition, such sights to show you. Strange eons. Welcome to strange eons. Radio that is Eric over there. Hello, that is Vanessa over there. Hello, and I am Kelly, you guys know that I drive an old BMW. That is my baby. She has been under a lot of abuse lately, but the latest thing is that the temperatures have been so goddamn fucking cold, and I go to work early in the morning, and the other day, I'm just tooling along, and all of a sudden my windshield just goes black. I was like, what's happening? Big, huge crack right up the side of it. I was like, Oh no. And I don't know if it's because I had my defroster on full blast. Well, it's 26 degrees out or what. But that was a bummer. So after this episode, so I have a high deductible on this, you know, and one of the first things I replaced in that was a new windshield when I got the car, and I don't particularly want to do that again, so I bought an $11.99 cent windshield fix that we'll see how this goes tape kind of thing. So you drip this stuff into the crack, and then you put this stuff on top of it, and sit it in the sun for like, 10 minutes. And then as you slowly peel you're supposed to, like, be able to look at the crack from a 45 degree angle. And if you can still see it, you have not dripped enough stuff into this. Wow. Weird. I know. I was like, this is snake oil for sure. And got 3600 reviews going, Holy shit. This stuff actually works. I'm like, Well, okay, I It's kind of like the like the guys, except little tents and Home Depot or something like that. Yeah, I know you can do it to chips. I didn't do it to a crack. Yeah, that's what they do with chips. But I didn't, but you still have, you still see the crack, right? It's just that it doesn't affect you, apparently, if the crack is not too deep, yeah, then this stuff seeps into it and fills it up so that you don't see it, and it stops the crack from spreading. So, oh, wow, that's what I'm doing after today's episode. Good times. Yeah, I've been avoiding swapping out my windshield because I just done it a couple years ago myself. Yeah, and got a huge rock that came and smacked it, and I've just been watching the crack just go from little itty bitty to little bigger, little bigger, little bigger. Well, as this stuff works, I will then pass on. I'll take it. I'll see if it yeah, let's, let's find out together. Last summer, we were driving to funeral in eastern Washington, and kind of out of nowhere, because there were, at that time, there no cars were directly in front of us anymore, so we just turned a rock hit the windshield and went through the windshield. Oh my god. Luckily it was low enough the Dina's brother was sitting up in the front seat and buy it that it hit the stock. But parts of it, you could go back in. As we were clean out, we would go, Holy shit, there's glass all over the dashboard, all these stuff. I mean, it was hard hit. The Rock came out, and they go whole the windows like i Wow, never seen a rock chip like that. And more vehicles around. There was a little earlier guy, a car turned away. So I think maybe something fell off his wheel and just like, just weird, maximum velocity, or it was asteroid, asteroid. Yeah, there you go. Yes, it goes. Or is it technically a meteorite because it touched ground, never touched ground and got lodged in his dashboard? Still an asteroid. Okay? Asteroid. You guys, I have watched some kind of, some kind of good stuff and some kind of bad stuff. What should I start with? Oh, start negative. I know always start with a bad right? Lord of the Rings, war of the Royal hearing. Oh no, this is the it looked tolerable, but that's not good, well. And I remember they showed a segment of the battle scene like at some convention, and that got leaked to the internet, and everybody was like, jeez, this looks pretty good. That scene is still. Pretty good, and there are a couple of neat things in this, but overall, it is a real snooze fest. And I don't mean snooze fest like you want at our age, which is a nice, long nap that feels good, that you wake up refreshed. No, this is a snooze fest, as in, I really need some shit to start happening if I'm gonna continue watching this movie. You know, you can do this in a live action film, but an animated film with this much dialog, where it's just, you know, let's go to this person talking now, like, okay, come on, guys. So it ends pretty strongly, thankfully. But otherwise I was like, God, you know, and it's a Warner Brothers film and all this stuff it is. It is meant to fit in with all the Lord of the Rings stuff that has come out. Is it part of the, also part of the summer alien? Or is it some, this is stuff that is touched on. Unfortunately, you know, the similar in which feels like a big book, is basically just a textbook of the history of Middle Earth, and so a lot of the stuff that they're talking about, like in that Amazon war of the Rings or this thing, are little footnotes. So I don't know, I don't know why I set myself up for this, because the stuff that Jackson made was the First Lord of the Rings films. Those first three, yeah, were magnificent, yeah, I still were talking, when I first walked in, about the Hobbit. The forgot the name of the guy who did the Hobbit. No route, the animated one. The Ralph basqui, Lord of the Rings, that was back Shannon Lord of the Rings. And then the animated one was rank and bass for The Hobbit. God, damn. How hot am i Ladies? Bass, because in my head it was a rascal. But I know that's not right, but it's so close. So glad somebody carries on this knowledge for humanity. It's called War of the road here, and, yeah, I'm sure it will be on Amazon for free very quickly. They've got to have the rights to it because of the Lord of the Rings show. And it's, it's like a 299 rental right now that even felt a little much by the end of it, I was like, I should have waited. So I checked out a film that has gotten a lot of buzz called a complete unknown, right? Right? The Bob Dylan pick, Timothy Chalamet, my least favorite of the Chalamet Timothy's out there to ease too much derailed, you know, I wanted to check it out because I actually don't know very much about Bob Dylan. Everybody I knew who was really into Bob Dylan when I was in my 20s were all potential pretentious hipster assholes. So I kind of went out of my way to not get into it, because I was like, I don't want to be one of you dickheads. And now, as you've gotten older, you realize you were right the entire time. Well, the actual bummer is I'm hugely into 70s folk music, like, I fucking love Cat Stevens so hard. So watching this film, I was like, Ah, damn, there's some good music in this. But I will say the film is excellent, because it really paints him in such an honest picture. Guys, such an asshole, he's such a dick to the people around him. As he grows, he only kind of becomes more of a dick. But you see, he's sort of trying to find himself, and the way he's treating people is part of that. And so because he doesn't know who he is, and he doesn't want people to define him, so he's lashing out against them. You can see how it's really hard to describe him and his music, because he's just like, No, don't say on that. No, don't say on this. I think Timothy Chalamet did a really good job. But even better were the other cast members in this like, Oh, my God, sorry, we have Edward Norton in it, who's incredible. Ella Fanning is great. Also, there's just, like, a few surprises while you're watching, we're just like, man, okay, cool. This is interesting, I don't know. And also, I had a Joan, is it? Bets, Bates, Baez album, because my mom just gave me a hunk of her old LPS. And I was like, well, listen to these and see if I like them or not. And at Christmas time, we have, like, we display four LPs. Well, all the time we display four LPs. And I tried to find Christmassy looking ones, and there was one that looked Christmasy. And I was like, I. Yeah, all right, this Joan lady, I'll go ahead and listen to, like, what the fuck am I listening to? Like, she randomly does an opera track in it. And I'm like, I don't know, man. And I was like, oh, okay, now I know who you are. So I appreciate the movie for that. I have always enjoyed his writing and people that would cover his, it's amazing covers of Bob Dylan, sir, because he can write that shit out of music. Yeah, I have always had a hard time getting past his singing voice right there with you. Yes. And again, they do, like, bring that up too. They're, like, they're, they're pretty clear about, like, not a great voice, not great, but so good writing, so good you will go past it for it. So that's enjoyable. I thought one of the is one of the main storylines, him going electric. So no, there is. The main storyline is him getting to become like a folk hero and figure, and then him going against that grain, which is, that's really fun. He also there's a kind of constant interaction between him and Johnny Cash, which is incredible, because Johnny Cash's advice, like just side advice to him constantly, is just so fucking good. You're like, Oh, Johnny, such a rebel, such terrible advice, like Oscar bait to me, like, to an extent, but I mean, it's a part of history that it's so important, so interesting, and such a big piece of Americana that I didn't get to live through that. For me, it's like, wow, okay. Like, I'm really fascinated, and I want to know what that looked like and felt like in the context of that world. And you get this real painting of New York City during that time that it's it's Oscar bait, for sure, but I enjoyed it cool. Who had a Vanessa like 70s folk music on their bingo cart? Not me, nope. Sorry, I don't know what to tell you. Fucking love the world. All right. Well, I did the this is on a whole bunch of lists, so I'll watch it, because the leads interest me. And I had no idea what this film was about at all, a movie called a real pain. Oh, yeah, which is kirian Culkin, who has just become a phenomenal, phenomenal actor, and Jesse Eisenberg playing right cousins. Now I know what this is, reunited after a death in the family to go back and tour Poland, yeah, and go to one of the concentration camps as part of the tour. Is like, Okay, this is a pretty damn good film. It is. We frequently talk on here about that sort of lost versions of films that don't get made too much anymore. It's funny. It's got a lot of real humor, a lot of real good humor between the two of them, and then a lot of pain in the characters that Kieran Culkin, especially humor covering pain is done incredibly well. The performances are just ridiculous, and the the Jewish story and the visits are done. They're not overdone. It's not like, you know, like Schindler's List was like a punch to the face, sure. And this is more like, holy, how heavy it is for these guys to be in this situation and in these areas. But it's not the whole film, you know, that's a large part of it. But they go to other things. They do other stuff. But Kyrian plays a really interesting character who has some very, very big swings in way he acts. Jesse wants to be a big character with big swings, but his character is all it's just, it's really well done. It's a really neat, interesting film. That is, I thought was well worth watching. Not really Oscar bait, but it's definitely there. I mean, it's directed by Jesse Eisenberg, so hand written by him, but he gave the media stuff to carry it. Yeah, you've seen I just checked it out as well. And yeah, there, there are a couple scenes in there that are just so strong and powerful. The piano scenes, gut wrenching. There's just, there's some really, like, you said, strong acting moments, strong character moments. There were, there's a lot of cringe in there too. Like, Jordan fraud, where you're just like, very uncomfortable at times, where it's like, don't, don't, don't do what you're doing. Stop doing what you're doing. Please don't do but then, and then he just gets away with it. And you're like, people love him more for the insane things he's doing. But at first nobody likes and then everyone's like, actually, you do have a point. And. It's like, what the Okay, so likable of like the scene, it's later in so I'll be vague about it, but the scene where they put the rock on the stoop, yeah, the interaction with the Polish guy, and it's just, it's a subtle little seed, but it says there's a lot going on, there's a lot, there's a lot. And I thought the, well, we can talk about this off air, but the ending was a really good, perfect ending to me, unexpected, but also, yeah, perfect, wow. This is called a real pain, and it is streaming, or it's on Hulu. You can watch it. I watched it about three days before it became free. Part of the reason I watched it, I've got this list. It's like, what's this? Oh, it's on Hulu right now. I'm gonna combine a few things here that I saw because the new season of Harlequin has started, which has been hilarious and funny, and quite honestly, way more satisfying to watch than creature commandos was for me. Even though I ended up liking it, I'm still catching up. So yeah, and so HBO Max is kind of DC Central, if you want to watch the DC stuff. And I was just kind of after second episode of Harley Quinn. It just kind of rolled me into the first episode of Superman and Lois, oh, which I was like, Oh, I kind of forgot that this show was a thing and all that. And I am a smart person, and felt like I didn't need to watch the first two seasons. So it was just see what's going on here. I want to kind of see what they've done once they've gotten their feet on the ground. And I watched the third and fourth season, Oh, wow. And I was like, Wow. This is a really interesting take on this character, who was kind of, you know, not part of the arrow verse guys, so it didn't have the flash and all that, but he had basically steel, you know, John Henry irons, who, nice, basically, is the Iron Man version of DC, and that's the character in here. And I had sent you a picture of Lex, who looks disturbingly like our friend Jamie. And I was like, just got Jamie to do this part, like Jamie's voice better than this guys and but it was really interesting because they've got, it's Lois and Clark as they are married now. They have retired. They're living in Smallville, and she is running the Smallville Gazette. They've got two sons, one of whom is powered, and the other one who is not and that's causing problems. I was like, Oh, this is super interesting. And the last couple of seasons, Lois has been working with breast cancer, and they bring that into the storyline. And I was like, Oh, this is a little deeper than I expected out of a Superman show. And then a scene after her double mastectomy, where she and Clark get into bed together, and she's, you know, just very, very nervous about this, and he's just so madly in love with her, he's there telling her, you know, this is not anything I was just like watching this gun. Okay, all right. He's not expecting a deep, loving series between these two. I don't like particularly the woman who plays Lois, or even the guy who plays Clark, but they did a really great job and the supporting cast in Smallville. But here's where it gets crazy. Basically everybody in Smallville kind of knows he's Superman, even though he doesn't realize they know it. That's so good. They're all kind of like, there was a scene where he's like, standing in line to get something, and on the TV above there's like, a plane out of control, and the cashier just kind of looks up at him and he's like, I left my wallet, and he takes off. You see him rescue the plane. She's watching it, and then he comes back in, and he's like, I got my wallet. She's like, Okay, so there's some really neat stuff going on there. And then a really, really touching final episode, because they wrapped the series up, where he talks about when he dies, and what it was like dying and all this stuff. And the show is way better than I thought it was so. And this is animated. No, this is a CW show that has been now ported to HBO Max, because they own all the DC properties. Are you gonna go back and watch the first two seats? I don't have time for this shit. I didn't have time for this stuff. Just jammed it in because I was like, Oh, this is really interesting. Then I was like, It's fucking two in the morning. I should go to bed. Is this back when they had like, a 22 episode? Episode run, or is this like, oh, the 10 episodes, thank God. And the last episode for four just ended, like, in December, or something. This is a brand new series, basically, that just ended up to check this out. I was talking about Harley Quinn, but I went into so I'm not sure what I was really talking about there, but DC, yeah, HBO Max is for your DC needs. So true. Yeah. And you, you kind of touched on creature commandos too. Which Have you seen? All of you finished it up? Yeah, yeah. I was left very unsatisfied with that final episode. Like, you haven't finished it, then don't worry about it that this some of like, like, your silo gone, really, are you sure? But creature commanders say, what you like, they all die. Oh, okay, yeah. I mean, James Gunn comes back and takes over all their powers and rules the world, yeah. But somebody dies, and it's a useless death. And I was like, wow, this person, all this person had, was a miserable life, and then die life. I actually, yeah, and having a daughter who's very small and figuring out how to walk, I was like, crying. Like it touched you in a way, no, but it wasn't because the same I was like, yeah, she had a horrible existence, which just made it more tragic. And then yeah, just Yeah, each episode being a little time capsule. I like the idea of that, but I feel like it really deserved the larger arc. And where you end, where you end, you did at least one more episodes, at least one more, because you're like, I don't know how much I care. And I was like, wait, I kind of forgot about that character existing. And then this other, okay, like, what does this even mean? And like, I hated clay face in this series so much. I mean, he just, I don't know. That's because we're given clay face in Harley Quinn. I know same with Bane. I'm like, oh god. I just like what they've done so much that it's really hard to go back. Well, so did you watch any of the new season of Harley Quinn? I started, I think I'm on the previous season. I'm trying, I'm trying to catch up. I'm like, pretty far behind. Well, this season they go to Metropolis, metropolis, but it seems like everybody has kind of moved with them. It's, it's pretty funny to see Bane in Metropolis. That's so good. Yes, I'm, I'm slowly but surely catching up. So that was here. That was mine. Yeah. Sorry, that's like a shit on it. Then, oh no, it's fine. I think it's good to talk about. Yeah, I don't know worth seeing, I guess. Yeah, episodes, some were, some episodes were very good, I think. But most of it was, well, I watched one about a band that I've been curious about since Jesus, like late 80s, early 90s, when I was taking music school shit, 1964 band called the Sonics, and the movie is boom, a film about the Sonics. Yeah, it's pretty damn good. They were kind of completely forgotten about. They basically put out like two albums in 6466 around in that area, and disappeared, more or less. But not here. There's a lot of talk about how when you if you were in a party in the 80s, some point in time, songs coming out you're gonna hear which you're gonna hear psycho, is going to get played, and that they kept being known. So one of the things like, let's see if we can get them back together and do a tour, and they ended up touring for like eight years, is such an interesting thing. And listening to them, you're kind of like, so the Ramones were supposed to be the first band that did music like, exactly what the Sonics were doing 15 years earlier. And there's a lot of you know, I mean, we were Alaska, south, real bad back in up until, like, I don't know, maybe the sea ox win the Super Bowl, but there's a lot of stuff was kind of ignored here. And then there's obviously the the grunge band, which, realistically, it's about four bands, yeah, four or five Seattle bands. And Seattle music has a rich history of a lot more than that, yeah, but the Sonics lead straight into that the sound they had, the grungy, dirty, the intensity of which they played, preceding all of the bands you think of when anybody talks about the start of punk, and even to a lesser extent, metal, they're a little more punk, like the Ramones. I think was a better is a. Stronger comparison than you might get if you were Black Sabbath or something, because they're, they're not really that kind of music. Yeah, I always kind of put them more because the room, how long were the Ramones around? They were 80s, right? I always put feather like, 70s, early 80s. Yeah, I always put them closer to, like, The Clash, yeah, with the sonic stuff, yeah, we had, we had a pretty cool music history here. And if you visit the Experience Music Project, then you pop, yeah, oh yeah. It's called mo pop, isn't it? Yep, that's right, yep. They probably still have a section for music, and probably I haven't been there in a while, like many bands like Hendrix and heart, even the renewal. Every the renewal was in New York. They didn't get it here, some guy who did a festival kept calling them, and the guy's like, we haven't played in 40 years. I mean, we have, we don't play reunion concert then, yeah, oh, wow, that's really cool. Really interesting. What are you watching this on? This was a Amazon rental. It just came out. It was made in like, kind of like, 2018 Yeah, 2018 so it's been around a long time. Yeah. I'm not sure why it took so long to finally show up. But it is finally out for rental. There's like, I think crocodile or somebody, somebody, oh, Empire albums on in West Seattle, the record store did a viewing party when it first opened, the night I watched at the same time. But you like music history, not just Seattle music, but music history. This is really, really worth watching. It's right up there with that death from a few years ago, and that was the one that was the big hit with the 80s metal band that, oh, anvil, anvil, yeah. It fits right in with those. It's a great trilogy. If you want to watch some interesting music history. That's very cool, man. Get me nostalgic for a Seattle that does not exist. It's a little different now. Yeah, the worst thing that happened to Seattle is a music, music wise, was getting so popular because I was here, heavily involved in the music when it hit to where you go see some bands like 8089 the mother loved bones, the TADS, stuff like that, and the crowd is just batshit crazy, yeah, because it's this great thing that nobody knows about but us, because it were and then it got popular. And like 9596 you go to local bands, and suddenly it's a bunch of proof you're worth us being here. Kind of attitudes. I go, Oh, stop it. Come on, have fun. Really, I think it's gone back to that because Steve and Tony and yeah, sure seemed to enjoy going to bands in these small venues here. So I think it's more fun again. But there's a brief period there in the mid to late 90s. I mean, we this city was a gritty city. I mean, it was cold. Everybody was just, you know, it was a working, working place, where you had forestry as one of the main industries, and then the kids were all wearing flannel because it's fucking wet and cold, it's cool. And if you use an umbrella, you're obviously we're a tourist, totally, totally, everyone's just soaking wet the whole time, like there's just a misery that allowed these sort of bursts of creative energy coming out. Well, Sonics were Tacoma, yeah, I know. I mean, I do mean Tacoma. I mean the state rather than, I mean the western part of the state, county area and a little bit into, I mean, Pearson came, yeah, like, there's, I mean, I grew up in Pierce County and near Tacoma and, yeah, there's just, there's a nostalgia that probably shouldn't be in nostalgia, because It definitely sucked ass. But, yeah, but cool, oh yes, I remember that smell that takes out for consumption. Excellent, excellent. That sounds great. Yeah, I definitely want to watch that. But what I really want to do is take a little break and then come back and talk about our favorite films of last year. Ooh, three in one airplane. It's holiday fun all in one it's a plane, a hotel, a beach and a boat. I'd like a room, please. Let's unpack. Welcome to paradise. Blue is three in one. Airplane comes as shown, with over 25 sounds. Batteries not included, woohoo. We are back, and for this episode, we are talking about our favorite films of 2024 because that's what we should be doing in February of 2025 That's right. Yes, we're not going to talk about it December 2. So the way we always do this is kind of a round robin thing, where someone starts off with a film, and if that film is lower on somebody else's list, we skip. So we go to the next, 154321, I don't know about you guys, I played a little fast and loose with the dates on this because some of these things had a a festival screening in 2023 but was not available to us until 2024 or some of these things might had a festival screening and just came out this year, but I still called it 2024 because it had a festival screening and I wanted to Talk about it. I played very close to the official but I am happy for you to have messed with it. Well, also, I went a little off script this time, because I was like, I'm not really going to talk about my five favorites, because I have a feeling you guys are going to talk about my five favorites. Oh, so I am talking about five films that I really want people to pay attention to. Wow, that's cool. So actually, my list sort of sits in the middle of that, except for like, three or three of them that was definitely in my alternative. So all right, we've got no five minute buzzer. We can just talk about stuff as we want. Who wants to go, gosh, well, you guys are looking at me. So number five for me, I have civil war. Does anybody have that? I actually still haven't seen it. I haven't seen that either. Oh, you guys. So just as a little recap, this is a Alex Garland, a 24 film. Alex Garland, who did Ex Machina annihilation, men and, more recently, the TV Hulu series. Devs. This is about a war between America and itself. There's no clear idea of what they're fighting for or how this all happened. There's no specific right or wrong. They're right, they're wrong. But it is some journalists who are trying to make it to Washington, DC, because the President of the United States, who is an extremist, is about to be overthrown, and they want to be there when it happens, and take photos and witness it and be able to publish about it, and is their journey across the United States. I loved this film. It has so many amazing visuals. I noted it at the time, but if you're watching, I remember this from my photography classes, like, how you line things up to make a really good photo. Literally every shot that they have is a perfect photograph, like perfect it's gorgeous. It's all gorgeous. It shows America in this really gorgeous light, but also super terrifying because of the people in it. And there's a weird and random but fantastic performance by Jesse Plemons that will shake you to your core. And I didn't realize it, but he was cast literally just a couple days before, because the guy who was going to do that role dropped out, and he's Kristen Dunn's husband who is the lead in this. And she was like, Hey, why don't you get a Jesse, he'll come do it. It's like, Fuck, man. Oh jeez, okay, Jesse, I'm not gonna unsee that. Thanks. Oh, wow, wow. Well, I didn't realize this was gonna be in the top five of your films. I guess I better watch this. Oh shit. I definitely recommend it. I think it was a really, unfortunately, not a lot of people checked it out and saw it, but it was a really, really good movie. Yeah, that's streaming free now, so I guess I got no excuse. All gone, okay, I've got one too that don't think I'll be at one of the ones that won't be on anybody's list, probably, but red rooms, oh, no, I still haven't seen that one. Yeah, it's damn good, a story of a model who gets obsessed with a high profile murder trial and goes to watch it as it progresses, and another person she meets there that's obsessed with it, they become friends and goes through some shit. There's a long storyline is there's something missing from the evidence, not that it's been stolen or anything like that, but you just haven't found it. So that's sort of what she starts to do, try to find what that is. It's he's, quote back, so it's French, but I believe it's shot in Canada. And smart, interesting, wildly cool performances and incredibly neat looking. The court looks like. I have a hard time believing this is what. I think this is very stylized, because the court is completely white. Right? All the, all the everything they sit on, everything they sit behind, is all just white furniture. So I'm pretty sure that's a stylized choice by the filmmaker, but damn, it looks cool. So that, and that is on, that's on for the few that have AMC plus or for rent in a few places. Now, is this a is it kind of like a courtroom drama, or is it a horror? She's it's a serial killer case, right? A lot take lot takes place in a courtroom. Okay? It goes around the courtroom, but it's not up so much up up like suits or something like that. It's definitely more of a strange huh process. Okay, I remember you talking about this just recently. It really stuck with you. Oh, yeah, really interesting. Okay, well, the first of mine, that is probably going to surprise you. This was a a recommendation from Vanessa way back at the beginning of the year. Space man number four. Oh, well that I won't talk about it. Well, wait, we can just Yes. Go right, yeah. Well, I don't mind if you want to start. I will say that it was directed by Johan rank, starring Adam Sandler, believe it or not, Carrie Mulligan and the voice of Paul Dano as Hannis the interstellar alien spider. And I just found this a really deep and beautiful movie, very philosophical. And I think probably struck me as hard as it did because of, you know, I as I've been getting older, I've been examining some of my life choices and who I've hurt with them. And I was really, really touched. I was crying in this film, yeah, no, I love the way that they approach this kind of harrowing loneliness, yeah, that he finds himself in, and this not wanting to self, nobody's fault, but himself, 100% as lonely as he is, yeah, for sure, and that he made the decisions that he did. And I Yeah, and I loved, loved, loved the spider creature, alien guy, so much in his obsessed, obsession with, like, Nutella. Basically, yes, they bond over Nutella. Yeah, yeah. And so good. And his voice is just so soothing, and he's so scary looking at first, and then by the end, you're like, just kind of drowning in his beautiful eyes. Yeah, totally. You're like, oh god, he's perfect, this perfect creature. It's so weird. Oh yeah. Oh, I don't know if I've seen that, that. Oh shit, yeah. This is an excellent film. I mean, it's weird because Adam Sandler, he's such a dark horse because he does this to me terrible comedy projects. But then he'll pull out these dramas and you're like, fuck dude, just, just keep doing this stuff. There's such a deep well of incredible acting inside of him that, yeah, space man, definitely I, I was, I was cutting some my guns during that. I am so pleased this was on your list. Yeah. Oh, absolutely good. Good choice. I guess that makes my number four next, which might surprise people, what ended up being on four was nose for art. Oh, that was initially thought would be higher on my list. But as I went through stuff, I realized, I mean, it is filmmaking beauty, it is staggering to see in in the theater, but I had that moment, you know, watching it, where I'm like, we need another Dracula movie. Yeah, so still, I will say my top five, but it's my number two. Is it okay? So I don't get on over to Kelly, but I'm excited to see I really want to hear more. Yeah, yeah, okay. Well, I know this is not on anybody's list. I just saw this this weekend. Oh. It is called flow. This is a Latvian animated film directed by gins no ginse, sure, this is a critically acclaimed animated film about a cat that lives in a world that seems kind of post apocalyptic in some way. There are signs of humanity, like statues and homes and boats and such, but you never see any humans, and there is this sudden tsunami that rushes through the area, and the cat is stranded, but then he finds a boat with a capybara in it, and they float off and eventually find a lemur and a secretary bird and a Labrador retriever, and they're all floating through this flooded area like a like a biblical flood has happened and just drowned the entire world. And. Right? There's like a whale in it that looks very science fictiony to me, like that. Can't be a real animal. Can't very scary or something, yeah, and it has no dialog. The animals act like animals, mostly, except that like they are able to steer the boat, but the way it's drawn is it almost looks accidental, kind of Yeah, but except for the Secretary, bird seems to know very much. And anytime somebody else, like the capybara takes over for a bit, you're like, oh, crashes here and there. You're like, Oh no, I was just so touched by this film, and it is a rental right now. And I was like, I wish I had seen this in theaters. Then I looked it up, and it's still playing in theaters, like at The Everett cinema. I was like, I might have to go see this in the theater. What was really interesting it is it was built with Blender, which is a free animation program, and this is the kind of stuff that our buddy Wade uses to do his thing. This was, I just thought it was gorgeous, and I, I was just like, totally caught up in it was, like, this movie is amazing. And then you told me you saw it, yes, yeah, because I didn't want anything spoiled. So I was like, I'm just gonna go ahead and watch this last night, since you might be talking about it today. And yeah, I really enjoyed it. It was interesting because, because it's got some kind of specific video game vibes that are things that I have played. There's a game called stray, and I was wondering if they caught a lot of the way in which the cat acts and moves from that. But I think they did a beautiful job, especially in the mythology, in the world building like, I don't know what world this is. I don't know when this is, because they float between somewhere that's very Asian, yeah, somewhere that's very Italian. Yes, Italian, yeah. I was like, are we in, like, a Roman ruins right now? Like, what's going on here? And, like, I kept kind of, I couldn't figure out quite, what if, what reality we were in. Was it just true to the thing I'm looking at, or are we in a metaphor for something? Or, yeah, I don't know if we were in a metaphor for anything, because there's really no lesson learned by anybody, because the characters are not characters, they're animals. So there's not a there's not a hero's journey or anything like that. There is a kind of spiritual thing that happens towards the end that I was like, Well, I was not expecting this. That's, that's, I think what threw me off, I think they just went to heaven, yeah, yeah. I was just like, that's what I was trying to figure out, is, I was like, okay, like, it has, has the Are they dead, and they're each going through the journey into the afterlife. Like, what is how? Like you just but you literally, don't know, you literally, because it could also be, you know, there's a cyclical nature to it, and that you start in a world that has a lot of water in it, but you can see it has flooded once before, right? Because there's like, a boat up in the trees, and then it floods again. And it's like, you know, and are the trees just underneath the water, or are they being grown? Are the caverns that are created? Is that, like a god figured, no, just interested. I'm just very interested in what they were trying to do, so I don't know. Yeah, good film. That's good filmmaking. Yeah? No, it was great. Yes, a really, really strong choice. No, I just love that. I want people to find this movie, and I fear that they won't, because it's not exactly a kid's movie, no, but I would not, necessarily not what you would expect from an animated film where the cast of characters is a bunch of animals, and it is not a talking animal film. Yeah, you would expect them to kind of interact like that. They're just animals being mostly the exact animals that they are, yeah, with a little bit more intelligence, yeah, like the Labrador Retriever is kind of adorable and stupid. He's so stupid, it's great. And then they've got, like, a shibuma, who's a fucking asshole dog. Yeah, that tracks Yeah, it's called flow. It is available as a rental right now, and apparently still in theaters. And I imagine it'll show up on prime because that's who the rental is through. And I believe it is nominated for Academy Award for animation. Oh, good, yeah. So hopefully it'll get good distribution, good as well. Well, we're on number are we on number three? So mine is a very obvious one, dune part two. Yeah, it's higher on my left. I will save it. Shocker, right? Okay, here's my cheat for my top five. Oh, okay, there's two films in this, and I put them both in because I thought they were the most. On being scared films I watched this year. Oh, and I think they, they don't fit together, except in that aspect, and that's infested. And smile too. Oh yeah, sir, not on my list. But infested was knocked off my list because of flow. Yeah, I see that. Yeah, it's they just were so unexpected. Yeah. And both had incredibly creepy scenes and a few outright scares. Even the lady in the scene where they start flowing into the bathroom and infested Jesus Christ and the scene in her apartment when everybody starts showing up in smile two is just like, Oh my god. So these are not unknown films infested, probably a little bit more not unknown in the horror world, right, right? But obviously, smile two was a massive release, but I still think a massive upgrade. Oh yeah, I think it was a lot better than smile. But if I hadn't decided to go with kind of unknown films, smile two would have definitely been on it, and, like, said, infested was on it. And I've told people how scary this movie is, and they're like, Yeah, but Kelly, you're scared of spiders. And I'm like, You do not need a phobia. In fact, this may create a phobia. It felt that way because, yeah, I don't like spiders. I don't have a definitely don't have a phobia. But that doesn't matter. You know, creepy more about the spiders, like the origin, you know that first scene where he just kind of opens a crack in the ground and these things start coming out. I was like, Are these from hell? Like, they're from hell. What's the matter? So, yeah, that was a great movie. That one's on shutter and smile too, has that. It's probably all over the place. I don't know it's, no, it's not. It was. I think it's on paramount, or Peacock, or one of those. Okay, I would watch that again. I thought that was really, really good. Yeah, such a, such a cool surprise. I don't think I would have checked it out if I think you saw it first and recommended it. And yeah, that I was like, oh shit, okay, I gotta see this movie. Yeah, it's good one, okay, then number three for me, probably no surprise, the wild robot. Yep, I wondered where that was going to show up. I just thought this was amazing. This is directed by Chris Sanders and starring the voices of Lapita, Nyong'o, Pedro Pascal and kit Connor. It's gorgeous. It's heartbreaking, and it's beautiful inside and out. I mean, story wise and everything. It's all about a mother and what you will do as a mother for your children. And it's also about a child, and sometimes how fucking horrible you can be as a child because you don't realize everything your mother is doing for you. So I just loved this one. I've seen it twice now. Cried throughout the second time, because I knew what was coming. Yeah, it's wild when that happens with the film. Very cool. Yeah, really incredible, incredible movie. I checked out. It was definitely in my I was kind of like, it should be in my five but it just didn't quite make it. It is now available on prime, I think so. I think it's, yeah, I think it's streaming now. So if you haven't seen this, I don't know, would you say it's a little too intense sometimes for kids, or just right? Oh, God, it might be a little intense, especially with the I feel like in the beginning, there's a lot of like, animals being animals, do any animal stuff? Yeah, I don't know that kids are ready to see animals and they're cruelty and they're trying to eat each other. And the easiest part, because then there's a fire and there's a snowstorm, true fucking attack by aliens, basically. Yeah, there's a lot going on. I don't know. Like, if I was a kid this. I mean, this is not that far from the harrowing parts of, you know, Land Before Time or all dogs go to heaven. So I don't know that it's any worse. It lists as being on peacock for rent a whole plus. And in theaters, still, I bet, I bet it was up for an academy board as well. And I think a lot of people are pulling these films back in to try and, yeah, get a couple last runs out of them. That makes sense. That's called the wild robot. While we're at it, flow is a rental on Amazon and is still in there. Yeah, excellent. So number two, so my number two is Nosferatu. Oh, nice. Yes, yes. Which, yeah. Robert Eggers, Bill Skarsgard, doing an incredible job. I did not know that it was Bill Skarsgard until the credits ran like you had said. It's just a shockingly beautiful film. It feels so gorgeous and the sets. Just, I don't know there's something about the way it's shot, and I know that they like used new lenses for this. I'm gonna add a very strange sensibility into what you're talking about. Yeah, the very early part of the movie, when he first walked out into the bill the older town, yeah, Muppet, Christmas carol popped into my head, going, fuck, this looks like the bumper Christmas Carol, but that was a very good set in fairness. Yes, yeah, but yeah, it's just the re the look is insane. I did read something that made a little more sense to I forgot her name, but Depp's sister's character in that the original Nosferatu is presented as a story of love, well, this one is presented as a story of lust. Then, which fits the way Nosferatu acts? And, yes, a lot more. He is a little obsessive. I mean, he was in the first one, but it was a different there's a romanticness in silent film. Yeah, it's not about like, conquering and holding. It's more about just winning, yeah, a moment, yeah, yeah. But so yeah, thanks. So this is number four on my list, and I just thought, despite some strange moments over. I So overall, so good, and I there are so few films that sit in a theater and just feel completely pulled into and it's a little out of it, until the scene when the carriage comes in and picks him up, and the way it's shot with him walking down back, that's exactly what I was thinking about too. That was the moment. I'm just like, All right, yeah, that carriage scene. And it's funny because, you know, like, I've seen the original Nosferatu, I've seen the remake Nosferatu, and there's a lot of stuff that just feels like, Oh, this is just an old book with a very early idea of vampirism, and it's not really that scary. But in this it hits home so much better, like that carriage moment, where you're like, it's supposed to be creepy, but whatever, it's just a carriage with bunch of smoke machine and then in this film, you're like, fuck. That would be so intense in the way that he's being manipulated within the castle walls. You're like, okay, I can see the confusion. I can see, like, when you watch the old one, you're like, just fucking leave. What's your issue? Dude? Like, you're just stupid. Okay, you're just stupid. And in this you're like, he's not stupid. He can't, like, he can't do it. And there's, there's just so many things that just worked for me, and it was a cool experience to get to see this story in a way that sold it. Yeah, have you seen what he's doing next? A werewolf? Yep. I wonder if, I wonder if this werewolf will have NARS as well. I I'm more interested in that simply because it sounds like it's a original story, but it's going to be a period piece and all that. I will admit there's, there's a lot that I just automatically push back on, like, I think it's a little, I think it's a lot pretentious that every costume has to be absolutely period correct. So I'm going to make the women wear stuff that's uncomfortable while they're wearing their costume, because that's what it was like. Or the screws in the table and the witch were made out of wood and were done like that. I'm like, Okay, this kind of pretentiousness in filmmaking I push hard against because I think that, you know, a that money can be spent in other places. And also, just like, you know, it's hard enough to make a movie when you're not forcing people to be uncomfortable during it, also, but, but that's just me. I still like the movie quite a bit. Yeah. I mean, at least with the witch, I'd say, like, it's such a small set, and it was probably low enough budget, but him spending a few extra on some of those details was probably about the only mark he could he thought he was gonna leave in the filmmaking world like nobody knew. It was gonna be a hit. Yeah, it could be. It could be. But then I just was like, Well, why didn't you just have a dead woman with a crow pecking out her breast for real? Then I can't I can't buy any of this without that realism. There's probably legality. Might have wanted it. Sometimes I get it. I also push back against things that I feel like are maybe pretentious. But for me, his stuff just works. Well, not all of it. A field in England is not necessarily my Jimmy Jam. But did you do that? Yeah, oh, man, I hated that movie. Nothing. I didn't. I thought he did the witch the lighthouse or, yeah, the Witch Lighthouse endorsement, and then this, no, he had some. Earlier stuff feel in England was bullshit, that movie was boring. I'm really surprised to learn that. I think, I think my difference be sometimes I like a little pretentious in films because, oh, it's a weird version. I can't stand people who, if he hadn't done that was the end of the sentence, if he had not done it full period, there'd be a whole bunch of people up there. Well, you know, those buttons were from 1948 the but, and I push back against that a little bit more usually, because I the reason I love dark Maltese Falcon, the noir film, is because of the language the way they speak, which is completely unrealistic. Yeah, of course, it sounds so goddamn cool. But anyways, I'm wrong. He did not do a field in England. I thought so too. But no, that is Ben Wheatley, yeah. So who did? Yeah? Super pretentiously, yeah. So, you know, pretention all young, pretentious dudes, whatever. So my number two, number two, number one, said going back and forth for a while. My final decision to go on the one, which one would I like to watch again sooner? Oh, so my number two, between those two, which I would watch a little later, but we'll watch again. Was the substance? Sure this would be on your list? Yeah, it is not Wow. It's anything that skewers the weirdness of this world so accurately and in such a weird manner. Still, yeah, and such a talented filmmaker. I loved revenge. I thought was also an incredibly well done film. And the the fun I would like to be in rooms of some of the Oscar nose in the air types when this get nominated, then they go and watch and go, What the It's this, because it is extreme, and it's not afraid to be extreme, like so many films are right now, where they're afraid to push the boundaries. Yeah, this one pushes all the goddamn boundaries. Yeah, it don't give a fuck. No, it is rough. And, you know, I have this weird thing that we've talked about before, where, for me, one of the hardest scenes to watch was that damn guy eating in the restaurant, because I've got that wheel thing. Yeah, it was like, but the way it ends is just insane, yeah? And I like a movie that goes, you know, fucking This is insane. I'm gonna do this. And all the performances were top notch. The the Cronenberg push to be ridiculous in what you're doing, but still make it work. I thought was just massively accomplished. And it did some things. I kind of knew where I was going to go, and then it did some things. Oh, my god, yeah. Oh, did not see that one gone, yeah. It felt like definitely a spiritual successor, not only to what Cronenberg has set up, but of course, what we saw in malevolent, malevolent, it just it had that great point where it was like, do we tip? Do we just tip and jump straight into the pool? Fuck it. Yeah, cannonball. Let's just do it. Let's if you don't like this film, then fuck you. That's where we're going. Demi Moore, obviously fucking laying it all out there. Gorgeous. I did see something like this is only the seventh or ninth horror film to ever be nominated for Best Picture. So that's pretty cool. I'm very happy about that. There's this part of me that wants, whenever Hollywood does something like this, like kind of unexpected, for them to jump on this film, which is so fucking weird. But I always want to go, you guys realize talking about you right now you're celebrating this film that is really showing how fucking horrible you guys all are. So every once in a while, Hollywood jumps on top of that. Yeah, we are. I think it's a player. I don't think that they're like in on the joke at all. I mean, the people who are the Academy, I mean, they're such, I mean, like, it's not people they don't know. Many of you don't know, for the most part, that's other writers, actors, stuff like that, that are voting on these things. I mean, it's also a lot of people who. In like, various positions of power that are a little bit tone deaf. And just like, Ah, I got the screener in the mail. Just check it out. All right? I'm saying this because I know one of them. And yeah, it also has the element that Hollywood loves, which is a high box office performing actor who never really got recognized, like Chinese would or and there's a ton of them you go through history was, hey, this guy's not his best movie, but we need to celebrate this actor, and this one has a little touch of that at least. But yeah, it was a Best Picture, Best Actress, Best Screenplay and Best Directing, makeup and hairstyling. Those last two are normally, what a movie like this totally 100% but, you know, it's still Oscars, and it helps that they opened it up to like 10 best pictures, you know, in the last few years. But not Director. Director is still five. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I am I, and I know that part of this, this is the cynical part of me is like, we got to get some movies on that people have seen, that they really like. So we're gonna put this in here. There's like, the equivalent of a Marvel movie or something getting in so, but it would be really nice if it actually wins. That'd be interesting. Yeah, it'd be, it'd be pretty Debbie more, seems like a front runner, yeah, yeah. Okay. I don't know if this is on anyone's list. We're on number twos so strange, darling. That's a good one. It's an alternative, definite. Yeah. Okay. This was a 2023 film that we didn't get till 2024 directed by JT molner, starring Willa, Fitzgerald Kyle, golner and Madison Beatty. This movie kept me on my toes the entire fucking time. Started with a title card that kind of pissed me off, that this is based on a true story and all that. And I was like, I don't know if it needed this, but it did set a tone that made me go, Is this really based on true so I like that. I loved every minute of it, including the cinematography, which was the film's final twist, because it was Giovanni rabisi, who is a fairly well known actor, doing the cinematography in this film. So I just really liked this. I liked this a lot more than the substance, and I'm not sure why, but as much as I love the substance, for all of its weird gore and everything, this one story wise, I was like Dad, I wish I had written this. This is a really surprising story. Wow, yeah, that was one that slipped through the cracks for me, and I kept meaning to watch. And just, I have not got to get on that. Yes, I definitely will. It's interesting. It hit me a little weird, because I think some of it is watching so many festival submissions over the years. It hit some notes that a whole lot of short films hit like, Oh, I know where this is going, and a few of them weren't, but there's like two or three that I knew that hit exactly where I thought it was going to go. I think that's why it sat me a little weird. Yeah, interesting number one, so I kind of know that neither of you would have this one so but it was, it was definitely my favorite film of last year. It just hit me right which was Ultraman rising. Wow, I did not see this coming. Hello, left hook. Yeah, it it was so good. I cried really hard during this. It's such a good film about parenthood and the relationships we have with our own parents, and then becoming a first time parent. It just, it hit these notes so well. And I don't know, I just, I just loved this movie. It's written, directed by Shannon Tyndall, who wrote Kubo and the Two Strings. It was not actually originally planned to be an Ultraman movie, but through a series of it and being passed over and passed over and passed over and finally, Netflix was like, Yeah, we're interested. What if it was just an Ultraman movie? And the writer was like, Yeah, cool. I like Ultraman. We'll do it. So you don't I love that element, though, because you don't have to know anything about Ultraman, and I did not. So makes it more interesting. Yeah, no, I know nothing about that universe. I thought, oh my god, I'm gonna watch this really dumb movie about a thing that I know nothing about. It's like watching a Power Rangers, you know, live action film when you never watched it as a kid. You're like, I don't know who Rita is. I don't know what this is. I don't know these minions are and but it didn't matter. It didn't make if you have ever seen a Japanese kaiju movie, have any rough idea of like that universe, then you are fine. You're so ready to go. Geez. I guess I gotta put this on the list. I loved it. I loved it. But, I mean, in fairness, it's also. I have hormones, and I had a little hormone. It was the exact right hormone, not exact right moment. So that's cool when that happens, yeah. Well, mine is too surprised to absolutely no one guess. Anyway, is it, uh, does it start with a D and end with an oon? Yes. Dune, two, fuck just this is one of the few huge sci fi books I've read multiple times. I've read at least three, maybe four times, most recently before the last movie came out. Fortune part one came out. I finished it like a month before it was released. And this hits it so well, this gets the story so as perfect as a film can get a story as complicated as dune and I understand he's working on the third one, so I will hopefully not be in the hospital for a month again when it comes out in theaters. But the for me, everything just works in it. But interesting to me is that the number one rated movie for 2024 on letterbox, wow, oh, that's really interesting. I mean, this was my number three. And there's just scenes in this that are, I mean, I love this film, but there are scenes in this that stick in my brain so hard and are so unique and cool, like the her Conan home world, which literally made me feel sick looking at it, because the star so weird, black and white nature, I know they I read that they used a lens that makes the skin look almost translucent, and it just it feels icky, which is just perfect for that setup, bleached out all the people and everything was either stark black or stark white, which looked wild. Then they I'm going, what is going on here? And then they go inside, and they're like, you know, expect them to look but, yeah, wow, so incredible. And then there's the sort of final section. It's last what third of the film where there's an uprising, and the the visuals of how the worms are used in that last bit, I I just, I want to cheer. I'm like, fuck yes, this is what you should be doing people you've got these giant worms that you know how to control, like, why not use them? Oh, okay, a funny thing happened for my brain. Of course, watching that, I'm hearing the toto music from David Lynch, because there's the music in that is phenomenal. Yeah, very different, yes, but yes, but yeah. Now the it hit me kind of like the Lord of the Rings. Movies hit. I know some people look at movies as you know, like something like marriage story, where you could tell the truth in film. I'm like, I can live the truth. I want the movies to take me to a place that may be familiar but is also truly unique, like I thought the Lord of the Rings. Movies created a perfect alternate world to visit as a film and great versions of the book. I feel the same way about the these two dune films. Yeah, I love that. I love that description, because that's exactly why I love science fiction. Like, 100% like, it's my favorite genre because of that. Like, I I don't need it to be the most realist. Like mumble core is my least favorite genre of all time. Dogma, 95 man, I've seen enough. I know what it is. I don't want it. I love like when you take, you know, real human moments, but put them in different situations that I would never encounter. And it's really cool. It's really cool to be able to see that on film. So these two movies made up the first book, yeah, and then this third film he's doing is just going to be one half of the next book, or I've only heard of one more films. I don't know if it's okay, yeah, I don't know if they're going to do more beyond the next one. But I mean, like he can't do all the books anyway. Weird. I felt so famous to the point where, as a Dennis van news, as a artist, he's very artistic minded, kind of like we were talking about Lynch last episode. He's got that weirdness to him that I think he'll get, I think he'd get bored at some point. I need to tell he's telling this story, and he's excited to tell it, obviously, but Okay, time for me to tell something else, right? Yeah. So I couldn't imagine I'm doing two more, but I don't know. It's hard to say, Yeah, it's hard to say. I mean, I will see it if they do another one, but it feels like there's something in the air tells me there's only going to be one more, so we'll see. And they already started to talk. On Paul's problems that come in the second book. They touch on that in this one a little bit. So is the second book prophet or Messiah? Okay, which one's children at Dan said might have really frank, Herbert, son that took over. I mean, I knew he took over, but, yeah, I thought children, that's the problem with part of the problem with the Doom bucks there. Totally, totally. Okay. Well, my number one is going to surprise everybody. It is a little tiny film called All you need is death. Oh, okay, directed by Paul Dwayne and starring Simone Collins, Charlie Mar and Katherine Siggins. And this is about the world of black market folk songs, oh, songs that have been recorded but are passed down from family member to family member they've never been recorded. Actually, it's set in Ireland. And these two young lovers who trade in this market are always searching for very rare songs which they record. And that is a no, no. These songs are meant for very private consumption, just family members, usually. And of course, they get a lead on a song that no one has heard of. And this old lady agrees to let the young woman hear it, but not the man, because it's never been allowed, and so the man leaves, but the old woman doesn't know that she's being recorded, and when the song is let loose, everything goes awry very quickly. I will admit that this story may be stronger than this film actually is, but it's such an interesting story that it really stuck with me. I love the originality of it, and it's on shutter now. It's really, really good. And I just want people to find this movie and give it a little bit of love. All you need is death. I'm really glad you mentioned that, because I had that on my list forever, and I always forget the title of it, because I'm like, What is that sound movie? What is that folk song movie called? And all you need is death is not what you would immediately come to mind for that fits into that sub drama. You and I enjoy so much of the cursed movie or the cursed song, right? Book, whatever. Yeah? So nice. Just one that I I really remember watching it and going, this movie is fucking creepy. So fantastic. That's our top fives of the year. You guys want to get into other movies that we like. I was really surprised. Nobody said, look, if I was making a real list, the most entertaining movie for me was Deadpool Wolverine, and I thought this would be on somebody's list. No, I didn't like it that much. Wow. Yeah, I liked it quite a bit, but I was leaning more toward it was exactly what I expected, yeah. And I was leaning more towards ones that pushed surprise you further. Did something. I thought the plot just was too messy for me, so I just, but that's, I mean, there was plenty of good, fun things into it, but, yeah, I just didn't quite crack my top. Okay, it's kind of like, for me, the was one of those where it's like, it's so much fun. Yeah, seen this kind of movie a lot. Yeah? I mean, a couple of honorable mentions. For me, you guys have touched on most of them already in your top fives, but I saw the TV glow almost made it to my list didn't quite but it's still very cool and very interesting. And unfortunately, I think it speaks to a really specific niche audience, which is me and everyone who grew up with the same TV shows I did. So I don't know how far reaching this show is. I've seen it on a lot of people's list. Okay, it's a neat, interesting it's a cool story. And when you start to dissect what is happening in it, or potentially happening in it, so cool. So I loved. I saw the TV glow levelized bleeding. Was still really good, really good. I felt like it was this retelling of Frankenstein, and in that lens, it's just this harrowing Love Story gone awry with a girl that is really not hot in a Star Wars TV show that she's in, but super fucking hot in this film, Jesus Christ. I'm not talking about Kristen Dunst or Kristen like them muscle Ladies, do you know? And yet, there's just something about this chick. She's really incredible to be, yeah, appealing, yes, 100% 100% so those were, those were two that I thought were really cool and just didn't quite have it. Didn't have room on here to throw into I had one that was on my list for a little while, but pushed off, sadly, another from the Lovecraft festival, a Dream Eater, which is a found footage film, but one that mostly fits its ability to be a found footage film without. About, you know, the, why are you shooting this kind of stuff? But it was the little things in it, the it's a husband and wife having issues. Wow, not original, but it was done in such a original feeling way, like, okay, these people feel like they really know each other and really enjoy each other's company. And strange, silly little things that hit me really well. It all takes place in a Snowden cabin, and they took so much care to make it sound like very rarely does a movie capture what it's like to walk around sound wise and snow that's frozen over on top, yeah. And this nails it. It sounds so cool. It's like, okay, this is making me feel in this movie more, because they're nailing that so well. And basically there's like three or four people, I think four people, including the director. Well, they're three of them got directors credits, but I think there's like four people made this movie. Wow. And just does. But so few major made found footage style films are able to pull off nice to the kind of sit together. For me, I think they'd make a nice double feature would be stop motion and the oddity. Yes, sure, I agree. I thought that those two movies were really good, and I almost thought the stop motion might even make it onto my list, but both of those are in my alternate and both were close to being on my list there because they're both original and interesting oddity, maybe less so, but it executes so perfectly. Stop motion is bizarrely unique and fun. I think it fell into that oddity thing with me, though, that I thought it was gonna go somewhere, and it did go where I thought it was gonna go. So I was like, Okay, this was cool, and it was just inherently creepy, because stop motion photography is Yeah, but I just didn't, it just didn't make it. It was really good, and it just didn't make didn't make it on the sure five, yeah, and the others, yeah. I mean, I the only other thing I would talk about is maybe some of the really good TV shows that came through that caught my attention. We had a really great year for TV. I know not everybody agrees with me, but I loved True Detective this year. That was great, really dark and strange. Best one since the first Yeah, I loved it. There was a show called The Brother Sun, which was a kind of comedy kung fu series about two brothers, one of whom is was raised to be a killing machine, the other of which is kind of like semi dropping out of a community college and a very strict mother, who, of course, is played by, oh my god, amazing Michelle Yao. Oh so just, just a really cool series, Shogun came out this year. So neat to see that such a good book. God, it's so good. X Men, 97 I liked Agatha, and then, of course, prodigy and lower decks were both awesome. So and one more movie went to hit back that kind of faded as the year went on. It's barely on the edge of being 2024 but Late Night with the devil, yeah, people's list. And I was like, Was that just this last year? 2023 or something? I was, I remember last year it was on my list to watch, and it wasn't coming out. It wasn't coming out during the festival, right? So it came out in January. Believe it, January was a so 2024 yeah, that definitely a good one. I was surprised to see that we had two non exploitation films, right? Yeah, immaculate and the first omen. I know you liked immaculate better. I liked the first Omen better. I don't know about I only saw one of the two. Still, I need to check out immaculate so I've only seen first omen. I thought it was a solid film. Yeah, perfect. Except for the last line. I was like, fuck you all stop. And then I also had on here, just films that I liked but didn't love, alien Romulus was, you know, those better than I thought it was going to be, but not as good as I hoped. Yeah, exactly when it did well. It did really well, that's for sure. Yeah, Salem's Lot was fine, yeah, and then Abigail, yeah, Abigail way better than I thought it would have been. No one saw Abigail coming. I mean, I just, I don't know from the trailer, I didn't realize just how fun and good it was gonna end up being. So that was a great film. Couple of the humans, vampires seeking suicidal person is pretty good, along with, if I'd done a top five in your style. This would have been on the list the last stop in Yuma county. Oh, because that is really good and just doesn't seem to be talking. I forgot about this until you just mentioned it, of course, yacht rock. Oh yeah, that was just this year, wasn't it? Yeah. Oh no, was it 2025 I thought it just came out. It lists 2024 Okay, well, we'll do the festival math for that one. Oh, and one that I ended up enjoying a lot more than I was expecting to was speak no evil, because it's one of the rare things for the original version I fucking hated almost, because the people were so malleable and would just do anything to avoid any kind of problem, up to and including getting their kid beaten up and as harassed. Well in this one, they kind of fought back a little bit better when it really came down to it, and I thought that I found it a much more satisfying film overall because of that nice Wow. Well, anything else, guys, man, 2024 What a cool year. All right. 25 surprisingly good. Yeah, I have high expectations for this year. I need to be entertained constantly. Please, please. No, terrific. I did watch it. Oh, did you? I was like, wow, this is all just an extended killing spree. So I thought it might not be for me, and I was right. But cheers on the box office, absolutely, yeah, no kidding, that's great. Well, okay, I think we are going back to our regular scheduled programming with the next episode, which means Vanessa, you have to come up with something. What are you talking about? I kind of want to carry on, at least for me, what we were doing before, and I want us to each choose a John Cusack movie. What? Yeah, this is love, yeah, that's, that's might be pushing for genre stuff, but I don't know he's done. There's some good stuff. There's some crazy shit out there. Like, I, every time I look, I'm like, Man, you were in a lot of, like, wild films, yeah, especially if you get, like, the Tony Colette, where I did velvet buzz sour, she's really only in a handful of scenes. You and yeah, that expands his volume a lot, yes. And thank you to my sister for the suggestion, because she was like, why didn't you guys talk about John Cusack? He's my favorite so. And I was like, Aha, why didn't we talk about John Cusack? You've already done 2012 in some disaster episodes, I don't think I have. The most unbelievable thing in that movie is when they flash his license plate, and you look at it, it says he's like, 37 years old. But I call bullshit on this. John. Nice try, though, incredible. Okay, I like John Cusack, yeah. So then let's wrap this up by saying thanks to everybody out there who's liking and sharing posts, who's sending money, who's calling the strange hands radio Hotline at 253-237-4266, who's out on the strange hands radio talk page and carrying on discussions with us or leaving comments on the YouTube videos. We appreciate all that so much. It's called value for value. If you get some kind of value out of this show, give some kind of value back. And even if it's a really cool animated GIF, we we're stuck, still, still loving that, still loving that. Thank you so much. So all right, gang, let's get back together in seven short days and discuss. John Cusack, see you next Thursday. 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