341 FROZEN!

341 FROZEN!
Vanessa dared, and we all won. The gang talks all things Frozen!
Also discussed: Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair, Reflections in a Dead Diamond, Spartacus: House of Ashur.

Transcript

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Speaker 1
 Okay,

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Speaker 1
 lots of sleep.

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Speaker 3
 See, it's not so bad at this point. It's more just physically lifting this child.

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Speaker 3
 It's becoming such a struggle.

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Speaker 3
 She's got to be more than 30 pounds. Oh, shit.

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Speaker 1
 That's a lot to carry around.

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Speaker 3
 It's a lot. It's a lot to lift up and down like 30, 40 pounds a day. I will say I feel very buff, but also there's a few times where I was like, "Isn't my back about to go out?"

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Speaker 2
 Oh no. Nope, nope, okay, I'm okay, I'm okay.

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Speaker 3
 But yeah, I can feel my muscles being like, "What the fuck are you up to? I'm sorry, what now? What now?"

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Speaker 1
 This is different.

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Speaker 3
 It clearly stopped thinking about lifting her correctly. This is the way of the gym not good.

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Speaker 3
 I'm supposed to like, tuck my, you know, strengthen my stomach as I do it, just so my back is safe. Just a little.

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Speaker 3
 Good stuff. I've forgotten. I've forgotten.

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Speaker 1
 Ready?

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Speaker 2
 Welcome to Strangie On's radio. That is Eric over there. That is Vanessa over there. Hello. I am Kelly. Gang, we're talking frozen. Yes.

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Speaker 3
 What?

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Speaker 3
 What? Heck yes. Heck yes. Right in time for the holidays. I'm just, this is great. This is great.

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Speaker 2
 Okay. I'm looking forward to this discussion. I'm not sure where it's going to go with everybody, but I took some notes and I think that's going to be

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Speaker 3
 a good time. I'm so excited you guys. You have no idea. This is going to be awesome.

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Speaker 2
 But before we get into that, let's talk about some movies we've seen.

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Speaker 2
 You guys.

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Speaker 2
 I want to bring up something that I discovered because of a different podcast. It is called timekeepers of eternity.

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Speaker 2
 And it is available on YouTube. And it is a professional fan re edit of the mini series, the Lango leaders.

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Speaker 3
 Oh my God.

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Speaker 1
 Oh, wait. What? Okay. I saw your post about this.

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Speaker 2
 Yeah. So.

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Speaker 2
 And I don't know how this is legal. This has gone to film festivals. It's great. It's it's fucking great. I don't know if you've seen the mini series, the Lango leaders, but it's a pile of shit. Yeah. This guy has taken, um, he's almost animated it. It's got a lot of, um, weird paper cuts coming through the film and everything. And it is all focused now on, um, Bronson Pinchot's character. He's like the main character of this and it's his psychosis that is driving all of this stuff. And if it's just over an hour long and it's fucking riveting, it's so cool looking and his acting, which seems so over the top in the mini series, seems like great now. Wow.

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Speaker 1
 And

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Speaker 2
 so it's the same story of them, you know, the group of people falling asleep on a plane, waking up, everybody else on the plane is gone. They have to land the plane. They find out that they are somehow. They have somehow been caught backwards in time. And, uh, What that means is that everything is just kind of static and waiting for the Langoliers to show up and eat it because new times being created in the future. And so their whole thing is we got to somehow get back to the, you know, we've done a weird time slip. Um,

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Speaker 2
 It's got all the same characters in it, but they played much smaller parts obviously.

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Speaker 2
 And, uh, They even remember how awful those fucking Langolier effects were. This black balls with teeth, just munching stuff. This guy has fixed that and made them look great too. And I am just blown away by how good this is. And it is called the timekeepers of eternity, which is a line of dialogue from the film.

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Speaker 4
 Wow.

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Speaker 2
 Uh, so good. It is available for free on YouTube, the entire movie. And, uh, I would say if you have any interest in, in seeing this weird art project,

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Speaker 3
 they get a chance. Sounds incredible. That sounds absolutely incredible. So much fun. Um, so I saw a couple, couple of weeks back, uh, wicked for good. Uh, this is the conclusion of the wicked two part movie extravaganza. Um,

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Speaker 3
 It's, it's interesting because I don't want to say it's bad. I think there are bad bits in it. I think there are good bits in it, but I think it is half of a experience. So if you just go in to see this as a, you know, three arc movie,

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Speaker 3
 Nope. You're not, cause it's the last half. So you're watching an arc and a half of story beat. So a lot of people are like, oh, it's really dark and it's really like rough around the edges. And it's, it doesn't have as good as music. And I'm like, yeah, because the first half sets it all up. And then this is the conclusion of the actions of the first half. So my recommendation on this would be to watch them back to the back. The worst part about this, I will say though, is unfortunately the way they deal with Dorothy, the scared crow, the lion, and the man. It's, it's very weird. You barely see them. They're cutting around it a lot. It's, it's very awkwardly handled. So I wish they just didn't even, they either showed more or none.

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Speaker 2
 So I'm like, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. So this storyline is happening.

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Speaker 2
 It's occurring at the same time that the wizard of Oz storyline.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah. So the way.

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Speaker 2
 I thought this was like a prequel to all of that.

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Speaker 3
 Kind of. So the way that it starts is we start with the death of the wicked witch and all the. The munchkins are excited and they're saying.

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Speaker 3
 They're like, oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Hooray. Hooray. Like the scene in the wizard of Oz. And then we go back in time to explain how we got there. And then we move. Further into just the second half of the film. This movie. Is from about the time that Dorothy lands up until that moment. Yeah. So it. Completely overlaps.

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Speaker 2
 I'm more interested.

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Speaker 2
 I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3
 I mean, I, you know, there was a book and then it became a stage play. I've seen the, I've read the book. I've seen the stage play. I've now seen both movies. I'm not like an obsess you of this. I was just curious enough to see it. And I don't know. It's fine. There's.

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Speaker 1
 Stage production, the best of all.

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Speaker 3
 I think stage production. Yeah. Stage productions really has great music. It gives it a lot of drama, a lot of interest.

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Speaker 3
 I don't know. It's a good thing.

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Speaker 1
 It's a good thing. It's a good thing. Didn't the original feature. One of the cast members of the movie we're talking.

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Speaker 3
 It sure did.

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Speaker 3
 Liza.

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Speaker 1
 The name that John Travolta couldn't say.

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Speaker 3
 Yes. Yeah. Yes. Oh my gosh. Sorry. I did. I did. I did. Yes.

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Speaker 3
 Oh my God.

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Speaker 2
 How would you say that this would rate against say the production of Frozen, which is also available on Disney. And I watched.

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Speaker 3
 I did not watch the live production of frozen yet. I'm saving that one. I need something to look forward to.

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Speaker 3
 Look, it's not going to, I can't even compare frozen to anything else. I just have no way of, I've seen it so much. It's just part of my DNA now. I can't even really criticize it super properly. I can't separate it and compare it against other movies. I have not watched upwards of 50 times. Okay.

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Speaker 1
 All right. Okay. I'm not talking about anything that would be a musical.

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Speaker 3
 That's okay.

[12:29:29:00 - 12:29:35:11]
Speaker 1
 A black phone too. Yeah. Which I know both of you guys enjoyed, but I fucking loved.

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Speaker 4
 Yeah.

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Speaker 1
 It is kind of an awkward sequel.

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Speaker 4
 Yeah.

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Speaker 1
 But if you kind of separate it from. Just enough to where it spread out a little bit. I just thought it was amazing. Unbelievably creepy shit that set up in the snow. When they start playing pink Floyd of all things. Just created a weird surrealist atmosphere with the guy running in front of the car and all that. It's like, what the fuck is this going to be?

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Speaker 1
 And I think that.

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Speaker 1
 Like we were talking about Nosferatu last year was that scene in the.

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Speaker 1
 The one scene where the car carriage stops in the middle of the thing. And I'm just, I am going to be totally into this film. Yeah. That scene was the same for me with that. I was like, take me wherever the fuck you want to. I am going to like this.

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Speaker 3
 It is beautiful. It is a beautiful movie.

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Speaker 2
 Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 2
 I think I said that I.

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Speaker 2
 Would have liked it better if it wasn't the sequel to what I was doing. Because it's such an odd sequel. But it's also, there's an awful lot of nightmare. No street street. Oh yeah. I was kind of. I don't know if that bumped me a little bit.

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Speaker 3
 I think I had a similar. Thought like I really, really liked this movie a lot, but I also had a few moments where I was like, this is very ready.

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Speaker 1
 This was one of those things where prior knowledge of both of those things. I had in my, okay. I'm going to start watching this. I remember. I was like, I'm going to start watching this. I remember. I was like, I'm going to start watching this. I remember. And that helped. That's smooth. Yeah. Not be, oh, what the f why are they doing? Right. Oh, I know they're going to do friends now. So.

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Speaker 2
 You know, the weird thing is, is this would have been a much better reboot of a nightmare. And I'm straight. If they treated him. They treated Freddie like a scary person. And yes. Wise cracking. Yeah. This would have been an excellent nightmare. I'm sure. Oh, Jesus.

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Speaker 1
 Yeah.

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Speaker 3
 Right.

[12:31:36:14 - 12:31:42:02]
Speaker 1
 That would have been, that would have been on par damn near with West Cremon's original. That would have been right.

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Speaker 2
 Yeah. That creepy moments. I still don't understand a Christian church in the middle of winter. Yeah.

[12:31:48:18 - 12:31:51:20]
Speaker 1
 The church. And a hell of a winter.

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Speaker 3
 God doesn't have seasons. Kelly.

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Speaker 2
 I think that there's a way to get them to that church ground and have the exact same amount of people there without saying that. Oh, that's going to be open. And now it's closed. And you guys are stuck here.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah. It is that, that was a little, that was a little clunky, but I will say when I had to go to confirmation camp, which I had to go to, it was in the winter. So, and it was a little camp with like cabins and that would have

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Speaker 1
 been, was it like up here? It was like snow area. It was not snow.

[12:32:20:21 - 12:32:21:21]
Speaker 3
 It was just kind of miserable.

[12:32:22:22 - 12:32:24:01]
Speaker 1
 Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of.

[12:32:24:01 - 12:32:29:19]
Speaker 3
 But I'm just saying it was winter. So it's not like they couldn't. I mean,

[12:32:31:09 - 12:32:38:09]
Speaker 3
 cause the snowstorm came through. I don't think they were like, Oh, it always is going to have this horrific snow storm. Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 2
 Interesting. That Ethan Hawk is in this at all. Yeah. Since we never see his face. And I was like, boy, you could have just supplied a voice. I think he has so much fun with this because he's just, it looks like he's loving it.

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Speaker 3
 I mean,

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Speaker 3
 you can tell his heart is all in it.

[12:33:02:05 - 12:33:04:21]
Speaker 1
 Given it is all even when you can't see him.

[12:33:04:21 - 12:33:09:01]
Speaker 3
 You can, you can see his eyes, you know, you can see the joy, the spark.

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Speaker 4
 Yeah.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah.

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Speaker 1
 So Joe Hill man just continues to figure out ways to make things work.

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Speaker 4
 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good pedigree there.

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Speaker 3
 Hey,

[12:33:21:22 - 12:33:28:06]
Speaker 3
 not all children. Famous authors are good at also being authors. Hubert.

[12:33:29:08 - 12:33:40:10]
Speaker 3
 Who's the son of the dude author? Well, Frank Herbert's cover. Yeah. Really strange now. Yeah. Real, real interesting.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah.

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Speaker 3
 I was just like, wait, who just, okay. Yes. Kelly, please.

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Speaker 2
 Well, you guys, I joined up for another streaming service. Stars was having like a crazy sale for a dollar a month. If you bought an entire year up front. So I spent my $12 and I got stars because I wanted to see the new season of Spartacus. Yes. Sure. Wow. And three episodes in. I fucking love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. And three episodes in.

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Speaker 1
 I fucking love it. Great. Wow. I wasn't sure it's gone. Man, it looks, it looked like it was promising, but yeah, I, I did that same deal after your mention of how good they were. It's still on.

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Speaker 4
 Yeah.

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Speaker 1
 Sorry. It's over now. It's always an over now.

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Speaker 2
 I think I'm like the knife. Here's the thing. You know what their regular deal is? $5 a month. Oh shit. Okay. So if you're ready to turn down HBO or something like that, there is a streaming service that is affordable.

[12:34:42:13 - 12:34:48:00]
Speaker 1
 Or wait till it's all out. Drop five bucks. Watch the whole series in a month. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
 Good to go. Sure. The series is great. It looks just like the old series.

[12:34:54:13 - 12:35:03:16]
Speaker 2
 It's got an amazing because Asher is beheaded in the last season. And which was 10 years ago. And so I was like, this.

[12:35:05:05 - 12:35:41:14]
Speaker 2
 And pretty fucking amazing. Underworld scene. Mostly lawless shows up and gives him, you know, The chance to relive his life differently. And I was like, well, if we really get it, start this. They do. So I heard a lot of people. Complaining that it was somehow woke now a woke version of Spartacus. Well, okay. Let's see. And I think I realized why because the champion that he is trying to make a champion is a champion. Which just never would have been seen in the,

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Speaker 3
 I mean, that is just unacceptable.

[12:35:44:10 - 12:36:11:19]
Speaker 2
 This chick is. Monstrous. She looks like she could kill you. You know, I'm like, I, and she gets a shit kicked out of her. She, there's all sorts of sex beheadings and everything. This is still Spartacus. Yeah. Completely, you know, so there's nothing woke about it. And really the idea of this female girl, the idea of this female gladiator is I think super compelling. So I'm like, I am totally in on this. I don't know what you guys are whining about.

[12:36:11:19 - 12:36:23:12]
Speaker 3
 I said, I feel like if you're going to go with like a black character in general, that's probably closer to accurate than a white person. In that time zone.

[12:36:23:12 - 12:36:33:00]
Speaker 2
 Yeah. I mean, a lot of these, a lot of these actors are very European or like the main guy. He's. So they all have.

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Speaker 2
 I don't know if I would say it's an accurate look because everybody has changed so much from what we looked like. Yeah. 100 years ago.

[12:36:40:13 - 12:36:42:22]
Speaker 3
 I know. I know. I was just thinking of the original.

[12:36:42:22 - 12:36:46:00]
Speaker 2
 But they don't, it, it does not like look like a Lily white.

[12:36:46:00 - 12:36:49:09]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. Like a white blonde hair blue eyed.

[12:36:49:09 - 12:37:07:00]
Speaker 2
 Although interesting that you had mentioned the white blonde hair, blue eyed kind of bitchy nemesis in this is. Claudia, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're not. Claudia. This is Claudia. Claudia black from. Took me a minute. Okey. Nice. Who she was. And she's so evil. You know, she's basically the new version of Lucy. Oh,

[12:37:08:04 - 12:37:11:15]
Speaker 2
 And I'm just I'm like, Oh, fuck it. I love it.

[12:37:11:15 - 12:37:14:16]
Speaker 1
 Wow. I figured it was because I read some reviews,

[12:37:22:00 - 12:37:24:02]
Speaker 1
 or something.

[12:37:24:02 - 12:37:30:09]
Speaker 2
 Well, if you haven't watched the last few seasons of that show, there was a lot of swinging dogs.

[12:37:31:11 - 12:37:32:21]
Speaker 1
 What show did you watch before?

[12:37:32:21 - 12:37:39:00]
Speaker 2
 That has not gone away. There's the first episode I was just like, "Sasiji, guys!"

[12:37:40:05 - 12:37:48:00]
Speaker 2
 Practical effect. This dick is that long, but... So there's plenty of it.

[12:37:49:08 - 12:37:55:05]
Speaker 2
 Anyhow, that's on stars. All four seasons prior to this, they're on stars, or maybe three seasons.

[12:37:56:12 - 12:38:10:10]
Speaker 2
 And it's a really good show. The original series was actually pretty close in history to telling the actual rise of Spartacus and the revolt of the slaves and all of that stuff. It's just a peppered in, a ton of soap opera.

[12:38:11:22 - 12:38:18:05]
Speaker 2
 All that stuff. So I thought it was really good. This is pretty much fantasy.

[12:38:18:05 - 12:38:22:16]
Speaker 1
 We're going to 300 around this time.

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Speaker 3
 You mean starting with being in the underworld and being offered to lead your life is not based on factual events?

[12:38:30:00 - 12:38:30:20]
Speaker 1
 It would be.

[12:38:30:20 - 12:38:37:00]
Speaker 3
 Okay. I'll look forward to meeting Lucy Lawless when I pass on.

[12:38:37:00 - 12:38:45:05]
Speaker 2
 It does seem like, you know, if you make it into that first scene, you kind of are like, "Oh, okay. If I'm going to accept this, I must accept everything after this."

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Speaker 3
 Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 3
 Well, I saw something that Kelly had talked about not too long ago, but maybe a little bit different. At theaters, they're now playing Kill Bill, The Whole Bloody Affair.

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Speaker 3
 Select theaters, but it has been re-released by Tarantino, and it is a new cut of the two films. But it is the two films with an intermission in the middle.

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Speaker 2
 With an intermission. Okay. Interesting.

[12:39:10:23 - 12:39:11:10]
Speaker 3
 Yeah.

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Speaker 2
 What did you think?

[12:39:12:05 - 12:39:16:03]
Speaker 3
 Well, I was really interested in seeing it because I haven't watched this movie since

[12:39:17:06 - 12:39:17:16]
Speaker 3
 college.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah, definitely. I mean, I saw it on DVD at least once. I'm sure I saw it initially in theaters. It's interesting because knowing so much more film now than I did back then, it is really cool to be like, "Oh yeah, I see where you're picking up this idea and that idea and how you're using this and that." But after seeing movies like John Wick and the fighting choreography is a little rough around the end. It's just a little like, "You're a white girl. You're a tiny white girl with a lot of strings attached to you and being thrown around the place." I like the ideas behind it. Ultimately, I don't think it's a film for me. I've never really connected super well to Tarantino's work. I think Once Upon a Time at Hollywood is my favorite of his stuff. It's so different than the rest. But I appreciated it. I was glad I saw it. I will say for people who are interested, they did cut out one scene, I think, and then they add some extra stuff, especially if you stay to the end of the credits.

[12:40:28:03 - 12:40:33:11]
Speaker 3
 But that extra- They have you in Marvel movies. Yeah, they have an additional fight that she goes through. Oh, interesting.

[12:40:33:11 - 12:40:37:13]
Speaker 2
 Do you know or do you not want to say what scene they cut out?

[12:40:37:13 - 12:40:46:18]
Speaker 3
 It's the end of the first movie where she's in the car talking about what I'm going to- I'm coming for you, Bill. Oh, right. Yeah.

[12:40:46:18 - 12:40:48:03]
Speaker 2
 Oh, they cut that out. Weird.

[12:40:48:03 - 12:40:53:00]
Speaker 3
 Because it's just pointless in comparison to what is happening in the next bit.

[12:40:54:17 - 12:40:58:19]
Speaker 1
 Tarantino's never shied away from a pointless style-log scene.

[12:40:58:19 - 12:40:59:22]
Speaker 3
 Absolutely true.

[12:40:59:22 - 12:41:04:03]
Speaker 2
 That's a three and a half hour movie right now. How was it attended?

[12:41:05:07 - 12:41:19:05]
Speaker 3
 It was, I think, medium, but we purposely went to a film, the screening that we knew had less attendance in it, and it was very late. I think we started it maybe at 10 p.m. Oh, God. Yeah, I know. It was all kids.

[12:41:20:09 - 12:41:32:17]
Speaker 3
 That's when the babysitter said, "Oh, well, you know." Yeah, so it went on for a long- No, I take that back. We went early. It started at 6 p.m., but we got back at like 1 a.m. Wow.

[12:41:32:17 - 12:41:33:10]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[12:41:33:10 - 12:41:37:10]
Speaker 3
 But I would say the theater was maybe not quite half full. Yeah.

[12:41:37:10 - 12:41:48:17]
Speaker 2
 Cool. That's cool. I knew that it was playing, but I didn't realize it was playing at regular theaters. I know it's showing up at theaters, you know, the Hollywood Down in Portland we've been talking about. Yeah.

[12:41:48:17 - 12:41:54:14]
Speaker 3
 Totally. Yeah, I know. I mean, at least Cinemark was willing to toss it on their screen. So. Nice.

[12:41:54:14 - 12:41:57:11]
Speaker 2
 You know what? The whole bloody effect.

[12:41:58:12 - 12:42:03:16]
Speaker 3
 Now I'm gonna have to go back to our episode and listen to you talk about it so I can figure out what your opinion was.

[12:42:03:16 - 12:42:05:00]
Speaker 2
 My opinion was,

[12:42:06:05 - 12:42:15:20]
Speaker 2
 watching it as one thing, I remember thinking originally seeing in theater that I like the first part better than Santa Barbara, and watching it as a big-long film, I still like the first episode.

[12:42:15:20 - 12:42:26:20]
Speaker 3
 Oh, yeah. I thought the second half was interesting, but there's definitely way less action, a lot more plot. So, yeah. I think.

[12:42:26:20 - 12:42:38:07]
Speaker 1
 So, is that why Tarantino decided he'd go on his little burn Hollywood Down. Oh my god, that was so weird. Because he hates like, well, if I talk about this, people will talk about me. You know, see my movies.

[12:42:40:09 - 12:42:49:22]
Speaker 3
 But out of all the people he could try to burn to the ground, it's like, what, Paul, is it Paul Dano? John? Yeah. Paul Dano? It's like, that guy's a great actor.

[12:42:49:22 - 12:42:53:14]
Speaker 1
 Are you fucking kidding me? He held his own vision.

[12:42:53:14 - 12:42:59:09]
Speaker 2
 There's the blood. Yeah. That was the movie he was complaining about. Yeah. Sorry, dude.

[12:42:59:09 - 12:43:00:06]
Speaker 3
 I mean, you

[12:43:00:06 - 12:43:02:17]
Speaker 2
 know, have you seen your acting chops?

[12:43:02:17 - 12:43:08:13]
Speaker 3
 100%. I can't listen to that guy talk. I don't know how you can be directed by him.

[12:43:08:13 - 12:43:17:14]
Speaker 1
 I would just go. He has gone into, well, I read his book not too long when I put out a couple years ago. Yeah. And he has gone to grumpy old man fulls for status very quickly.

[12:43:17:14 - 12:43:19:04]
Speaker 3
 He's on the carpenter road.

[12:43:19:04 - 12:43:38:04]
Speaker 1
 Yeah. He's very much, it's like, he has some great opinions on films. But the problem is he doesn't think anybody else's opinions are valid almost. There's a few people I'm sure he expects, but reading him talk about movies, wow, you have no respect for other people's opinions on films anymore.

[12:43:38:04 - 12:43:42:10]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, I guess. He's probably undiagnosed. Asperger. Oh,

[12:43:43:16 - 12:43:44:14]
Speaker 3
 that would explain a lot.

[12:43:44:14 - 12:43:46:10]
Speaker 2
 Yeah. I mean, he just seems that way.

[12:43:46:10 - 12:43:50:00]
Speaker 1
 Yeah. Listening to his audio commentary and stuff. Wow.

[12:43:53:19 - 12:44:17:00]
Speaker 1
 So I watched interesting film reflection in a dead diamond. Cannot wait to hear about this is a series of filmmakers. I have a strange history with I saw a mayor at the SIF presentation in a midnight movie when I was far less familiar with

[12:44:18:03 - 12:44:23:08]
Speaker 1
 yellow world than I am now. And I actually left in the middle of the screening. I was so bored.

[12:44:24:12 - 12:44:37:09]
Speaker 1
 Then came the strange color of your body's tears, which I thought was amazing. But the story bored me. So I put on my headphones and watched it and that was really cool.

[12:44:38:23 - 12:44:52:12]
Speaker 1
 Let the corpses tan was the first time going, wow, okay. Now I fully embrace what these people are doing and reflections in a dead diamond is a good continuation of that. Where both films are like story.

[12:44:53:21 - 12:44:54:07]
Speaker 1
 Sure.

[12:44:55:07 - 12:45:00:19]
Speaker 1
 I don't think they care as much about the story as the way they present the story.

[12:45:01:23 - 12:45:05:15]
Speaker 1
 And my God, these people, there's two people,

[12:45:06:15 - 12:45:18:00]
Speaker 1
 their husband and wife, or if they're related at all. But man, they know how to paint on film. It's just gorgeous.

[12:45:20:12 - 12:45:23:11]
Speaker 1
 This is very much a Diablo leak.

[12:45:26:00 - 12:45:31:14]
Speaker 1
 60s. And James Bond.

[12:45:31:14 - 12:45:35:15]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, I saw that it was to look like a love letter to 60s spy films.

[12:45:35:15 - 12:45:39:10]
Speaker 1
 Very much so. But psychotically weird.

[12:45:41:17 - 12:46:02:16]
Speaker 1
 If art house films bore you at all, just avoid these films these people make like the plague. But if you're even remotely interested in art house, I think they make some of the most accessible art house films, where it's just so cool looking. It's hard to deny.

[12:46:04:04 - 12:46:20:04]
Speaker 1
 And this was another one. If I took the movie, I've gone kind of bored. But like the stories is weird. Okay, I get where you go. But it's I don't know why it's on shutter.

[12:46:20:04 - 12:46:23:12]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, even it's gonna deal

[12:46:23:12 - 12:46:31:08]
Speaker 1
 even for the level of violence their movies usually have is really low. So it's not so much that. But okay.

[12:46:31:08 - 12:46:35:07]
Speaker 3
 I think I've been history of having a lot of giallo on there.

[12:46:35:07 - 12:46:41:13]
Speaker 1
 That's good point. Yeah. This is not as yellow as like a Mary's. Yeah.

[12:46:43:16 - 12:46:50:07]
Speaker 1
 And the blood of period is also very yellow. This one's more spy movie weirdness.

[12:46:50:07 - 12:46:53:12]
Speaker 3
 Are these Italian filmmakers or Americans doing the style of

[12:46:58:00 - 12:46:59:10]
Speaker 3
 asking all the hard hitting questions.

[12:46:59:10 - 12:46:59:23]
Speaker 1
 Right.

[12:47:01:04 - 12:47:05:17]
Speaker 1
 Oh, you know, they're famous folks. I just closed the window. You're never gonna know.

[12:47:16:07 - 12:47:17:16]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, not American.

[12:47:18:21 - 12:47:23:01]
Speaker 1
 I think they're French Bruno for zombie think they are French.

[12:47:23:01 - 12:47:34:11]
Speaker 2
 The trailer looked so cool, especially with the way the subtitles were moving around the screen. Is that how it actually is done? Yeah. Okay. They

[12:47:34:11 - 12:47:50:01]
Speaker 1
 are not afraid to do French anything with the camps like I can imagine them sitting there going, you know what I want to do. Okay. That makes no sense for the scene, but we're gonna make it look cool as hell.

[12:47:51:19 - 12:47:57:06]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, it's wildly fun films to watch. Very, very cool.

[12:47:57:06 - 12:47:58:01]
Speaker 2
 Okay, guys, how about we get to the next one?

[12:47:59:06 - 12:48:05:14]
Speaker 2
 Um, okay, guys, how about we take a little break, get ourselves situated and come back and talk frozen? Yes.

[12:48:05:14 - 12:48:09:15]
Speaker 1
 Yes. Yes. We will let it go.

[12:48:09:15 - 12:48:13:03]
Speaker 3
 All right. I'm gonna use the restroom.

[12:48:14:07 - 12:48:19:12]
Speaker 1
 You want to stop your mic. I do. What is your what's the color?

[12:48:19:12 - 12:48:20:22]
Speaker 3
 It's red and blue.

[12:48:20:22 - 12:48:26:13]
Speaker 1
 Oh, that's nice. Let me try. Yeah,

[12:48:31:04 - 12:48:52:07]
Speaker 2
 I didn't realize I was coming to stutters so quickly. So I got a copy of it that just had regular subtitles. And I was watching I was like, Oh, no, I want to see the subtitles moving around on the bodies and shit like that seem to remember they're doing that. I don't think it does the whole thing. Okay.

[12:48:53:18 - 12:49:05:18]
Speaker 2
 But the scene in the trailer is she's like taking off a bra strap or something like that. And the words are like following down the arm. As she was talking. I can't remember. Okay.

[12:49:06:21 - 12:49:19:20]
Speaker 1
 Maybe because maybe I'm remembering that the scenes from the trailer, because I watched like, when I saw the trailer, I saw I looked up and it was like the next day. Oh, that's true. Okay. That's cute. I wish I'd known that.

[12:49:21:07 - 12:49:32:02]
Speaker 1
 But yeah, cool, cool, cool. Go back sometime and watch a mirror. I think I'll get a little more out of it now.

[12:49:34:21 - 12:49:39:02]
Speaker 1
 You know, midnight show.

[12:49:53:22 - 12:49:58:10]
Speaker 2
 Let's go ahead and turn mine off.

[12:50:04:16 - 12:50:05:06]
Speaker 2
 Get

[12:50:05:06 - 12:50:10:11]
Speaker 1
 ready for the song.

[12:50:10:11 - 12:50:22:18]
Speaker 3
 I'm just so everything feels so good. Have you still been doing the Olympic stuff for? Yeah. How's it going for you?

[12:50:24:02 - 12:50:25:17]
Speaker 1
 Real great so far. Yep.

[12:50:28:19 - 12:50:31:00]
Speaker 1
 Exercising more, but still, I don't think enough.

[12:50:32:11 - 12:50:40:08]
Speaker 1
 Yeah. Yeah. But now it is. Yes.

[12:50:40:08 - 12:50:51:00]
Speaker 3
 Oh my god, it's so good for Austin's got tattoo and like it's been very, very helpful. And my mom also.

[12:50:52:00 - 12:51:02:21]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, I dropped like averages of 190 to 200 down to the 120. That's great. Okay. Oh, that's at least there's something very good coming out of. Yeah.

[12:51:02:21 - 12:51:40:05]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. I would a dosage are you on at this point? Oh, yeah. I think that's where I ended up. Just now you get to make sure you don't slide back. Yeah, I very slowly came back off of it. Because the one thing I did notice is I didn't want to eat anything. So I just ended up eating candy a lot because this is all I get about eating. Yeah, I like the idea of eating a salad. I was like, No, no, no. And now I'm like, Yeah, I want fruits and vegetables again. This is good.

[12:51:43:10 - 12:51:43:11]
Speaker 1
 Okay.

[12:51:52:19 - 12:52:00:09]
Speaker 1
 So briefly speak and then you just go or you want to go for entry.

[12:52:00:09 - 12:52:13:12]
Speaker 3
 Well, I think you can introduce the topic Kelly and then I'll talk about it. Like all the basic stuff that made it and I can go over the basic basic plot and then we can go into it.

[12:52:13:12 - 12:52:13:20]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[12:52:14:22 - 12:52:17:01]
Speaker 3
 I hate that. Oh, hopefully that'll work.

[12:52:19:06 - 12:52:32:01]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, I don't think with the exception like a movie that's been out for four years or something, we've ever talked about a film that one of us has watched as much as in such a compressed amount of time. Oh my god. As you probably watched.

[12:52:32:01 - 12:52:41:09]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah, it's outrageous. I don't think I've ever seen another film as many times as this film. But let's get that pulled off.

[12:52:41:09 - 12:52:46:10]
Speaker 1
 That was recording. So I can, you know, put that out there.

[12:52:46:10 - 12:52:46:23]
Speaker 4
 Okay.

[12:52:46:23 - 12:52:48:11]
Speaker 1
 All right. Ready?

[12:52:51:22 - 12:53:20:22]
Speaker 2
 And we are back. Yeah. So today instead of our usual thing, we decided that we are going to talk about frozen. And we decided this because four days upon days, actually coming. She just tell us, you know, I want frozen again as we get it. And I can't remember what we said. She was like, you go to our stack. So we were like, let's watch it and let's talk about it.

[12:53:20:22 - 12:53:35:16]
Speaker 3
 I love this so much because I, it is. So my daughter is her brain is coming online as a person. And she has very few interests, very few interests. And there's only one film that she has managed to sit through.

[12:53:36:21 - 12:53:43:00]
Speaker 3
 And that is frozen. I have since tricked her in the last month into watching Tangled twice.

[12:53:44:12 - 12:53:56:16]
Speaker 3
 But really all she wants is frozen. She wants Olaf. She wants Elsa. She wants all of the short films that are accompanied with it. She will watch Frozen two, but she's really a Frozen one girl.

[12:53:56:16 - 12:53:57:12]
Speaker 2
 Oh, interesting.

[12:53:57:12 - 12:54:16:08]
Speaker 3
 And even Elsa or not Elsa, sorry, even Miss Rachel and Elmo are nothing compared to this franchise. So because of that, I was told by my nearest older brother that as a kid, I watched Mary Poppins daily and it drove him crazy. It drove the whole family crazy.

[12:54:17:14 - 12:54:31:13]
Speaker 3
 Zero memory of this at all. I could not tell you most of what happens in Mary Poppins. Oh, interesting. But yeah, I guess she's going through the same thing. So I'm just excited because no one, no one has seen this movie. No one has seen this movie.

[12:54:31:13 - 12:54:34:07]
Speaker 1
 I don't think that's really true. Recently.

[12:54:36:12 - 12:54:37:06]
Speaker 3
 I don't know. I love it.

[12:54:37:06 - 12:54:40:21]
Speaker 1
 I'm just saying there's Olaf and little kids out there.

[12:54:40:21 - 12:54:58:22]
Speaker 3
 Let me be specific. None of my friends have seen this movie. Not I can believe it. And I was talking to my cousin who came over to visit and I watched her eyes roll back into her head as I talked about Frozen. So anyways, yes. Thank you.

[12:54:58:22 - 12:55:01:06]
Speaker 2
 Same shape. Why don't you do that to us right now?

[12:55:01:06 - 12:55:08:07]
Speaker 3
 Oh, I'm so excited. All right. So let me tell you a little bit about this movie. Just the basics. This came out 2013.

[12:55:09:12 - 12:55:32:10]
Speaker 3
 So it's 12 years old. Written and directed by Chris Buck and Jennifer Lee. Chris Buck was more of an animator, but he has directed 11 titles, including Carzan, Surf's Up and Wish. Jennifer Lee was mostly a writer. She has 14 writing credits, six directing credits, including Wish, Zootopia and Wreck-It Ralph.

[12:55:34:04 - 12:56:03:16]
Speaker 3
 They will both be, well, no, she will be working on Frozen 3 and 4. She is also married to Alfred Molina, which I'm so impressed by. Starring Kristen Bell as Anna. 122 credits, including Veronica Mars, The Good Place, Gossip Girl, and currently I'm watching her and nobody wants this. By the way, I didn't know she could sing. So that was interesting. Idina Menzel, who is also 44 credits, including Glee, Enchanted Rent, but really she's known for her Broadway performance in Rent and Wicked.

[12:56:04:22 - 12:57:04:12]
Speaker 3
 Jonathan Groff, who plays Kristoff, 47 credits. Mostly people know him as King George in Hamilton, but he was the love interest in the most recent Doctor Who. You might have also seen him on Knock at the Cabin and Matrix Resurrections as Smith. And Josh Gad, Olaf. Most people find him very annoying. He's been in 101 Things. I talked about him recently in Little Monsters. He's also a recurring character in New Girl, and he was Gaston's little friend guy in Beauty and the Beast Live option. That's what I mostly remembered him from. I was like, "You play a great gay crush man." The basic story of this, there are two sisters, Elsa and Anna. They are princesses of Arendelle. Elsa was born with a powerful gift of wielding ice, and while playing Elsa accidentally hits Anna in the head with her ice powers. The king takes them to the trolls to try and help her. Hold on just a second.

[12:57:04:12 - 12:57:05:16]
Speaker 1
 Why are you reading notes?

[12:57:07:15 - 12:57:11:09]
Speaker 3
 Because I...look. Just kidding.

[12:57:11:09 - 12:57:11:15]
Speaker 1
 Go for it.

[12:57:11:15 - 12:57:16:02]
Speaker 3
 All right. I've seen this movie a lot, but mostly in random spurts.

[12:57:17:12 - 12:58:26:04]
Speaker 3
 The king takes them to the trolls to try and help her. They can help, but say they must remove the memory of her sister's power to help heal her. That's part of it. Elsa is tasked with controlling her powers, and while she grows up, she just cannot do it. Meanwhile, Anna doesn't understand why her sister is ignoring her, rejecting her, and she becomes extremely lonely. Their parents leave to take a trip, and their ship is lost at sea. Elsa inherits the kingdom, but on the night of her coronation, gets in a fight with Anna. Anna has fallen for literally the first guy she's met, Prince Hans, and has asked Elsa's blessing for the marriage, who rejects it. The two get in a big public fight, and in a fit of anger, Elsa blasts ice and reveals her powers. She runs away to the mountains to build an isolated ice castle, but in her heightened emotional state, she leaves Arendelle in an eternal winter. Anna goes after her to try and have her to come back and to bring back summer. Along the way, she meets Kristoff, an ice harvester, his reindeer, Sven, and a magically animated snowman named Olaf. So that is frozen.

[12:58:28:12 - 12:58:33:06]
Speaker 2
 So this was the first time you were in for me? Was it not for you, or?

[12:58:33:06 - 12:58:33:15]
Speaker 1
 No.

[12:58:33:15 - 12:58:34:11]
Speaker 2
 Oh, wow.

[12:58:34:11 - 12:58:38:17]
Speaker 1
 I saw it in the theater with my niece and my wife in 2013.

[12:58:38:17 - 12:58:41:05]
Speaker 3
 Oh, holy moly.

[12:58:41:05 - 12:59:01:21]
Speaker 2
 So this was the first time going for me. I was delighted. I thought it was great. I was really impressed with the flipping of a lot of the tropes. Yes. Because it starts off pretty tropey. You know, I've got some notes here.

[12:59:02:23 - 12:59:17:22]
Speaker 2
 You know, it's got the damsels in distress. It's got the true love's first kiss. It's got the I want more song that is the first sign in every fucking Disney musical and the uncomfortable and funny comedic sidekicks.

[12:59:20:11 - 12:59:29:23]
Speaker 2
 But I love how that all got twisted. Let me ask some questions. I love that she's basically a mutant, right? She's born ice. Yeah. But why?

[12:59:31:00 - 12:59:40:10]
Speaker 2
 And what was she trying to do when she zapped her sister in the head? I was like, why would why would that be the first thing you do? Shoot ice at her.

[12:59:40:10 - 12:59:42:07]
Speaker 3
 Oh, so yeah.

[12:59:43:15 - 13:00:02:21]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. Okay, so I have some answers and some not answers. Why she was born with this power? Do not know. They kind of explored a little bit more in Frozen 2, but I still feel like they never there are some core questions the writer should have asked herself before delving into certain things with the story that she did not.

[13:00:02:21 - 13:00:08:17]
Speaker 2
 I assume it had something to do with the original Snow Queen Fairytale, which I am not familiar with.

[13:00:08:17 - 13:00:37:10]
Speaker 3
 Okay, this is all based on the original Snow Queen Fairytale, which Disney tried to do many times and failed. It actually started production with Elsa being the bad guy. Okay, so when they first started getting production going, they were going to have her be the main villain. And then the writers got in the songwriters got involved. And after doing Let It Go, they were like, we need to rewrite her story. So there were some last minute changes.

[13:00:37:10 - 13:00:40:04]
Speaker 2
 And then the Snow Queen is she the villain?

[13:00:40:04 - 13:00:49:09]
Speaker 1
 She's like the big bad. It kind of hit me as Let It Go is the origin story of a potential Disney villain.

[13:00:49:09 - 13:01:18:10]
Speaker 3
 100% like just being like, you know what, I don't need to care about all these people. I don't need to. But instead, it's more like a coming of who you are and accepting that you can't be what people want you to be. As far as why she hit her in the head. I've seen this scene so many times. So she kind of starts to slip because she's trying to make the little mountains as Anna is jumping higher and higher and going faster and faster and she can't keep up with her. And so she's trying to do one last one. She's not aiming for her head. She's trying to make another one and she slips a little.

[13:01:18:10 - 13:01:34:03]
Speaker 2
 Okay, because I watched that scene twice. Sure. I was like, what is she trying to do here? Why would she? And then the idea of I mean, there's so many things like I was not expecting trolls. Right.

[13:01:35:07 - 13:01:36:15]
Speaker 2
 Right. Okay,

[13:01:38:02 - 13:01:39:14]
Speaker 2
 this is kind of cute. Yeah.

[13:01:41:10 - 13:01:42:14]
Speaker 2
 I loved that.

[13:01:44:04 - 13:01:54:20]
Speaker 2
 Anna falls in love with Hans and Elsa is immediately people don't fall in love in just one day. You mean like every other Disney movie? I just had to love the writing in this.

[13:01:54:20 - 13:01:56:09]
Speaker 4
 Yes, agree.

[13:01:56:09 - 13:01:56:23]
Speaker 2
 Very clever.

[13:01:59:21 - 13:02:06:10]
Speaker 2
 And I did, I did figure out the twist of true love's kiss.

[13:02:07:12 - 13:02:09:05]
Speaker 3
 I never figured that part out.

[13:02:09:05 - 13:02:16:18]
Speaker 2
 And so like this is not good. But I wish they had done it differently when they reveal that Hans is by the way, we're gonna spoil the fun.

[13:02:16:18 - 13:02:19:02]
Speaker 3
 We're gonna yeah, this is gonna get spoiled for sure.

[13:02:19:02 - 13:02:28:16]
Speaker 2
 They reveal that Hans is the bad guy and he basically withholds the kiss from yeah, I was like, I would really love to have seen him kiss her and nothing no effect.

[13:02:28:16 - 13:02:37:01]
Speaker 3
 And then he's like, well, turns out right. Yeah. So I cuz it is almost meaner though to see her like going for it and him being Oh,

[13:02:37:01 - 13:02:38:04]
Speaker 2
 for sure.

[13:02:38:04 - 13:02:47:17]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, it's like crueler. That is my biggest problem with this movie is Hans. Because there is zero foreshadowing of this guy turning out to be the villain.

[13:02:47:17 - 13:02:49:08]
Speaker 1
 Well, his dad's kind of a dick.

[13:02:49:08 - 13:02:50:12]
Speaker 3
 His dad was

[13:02:50:12 - 13:02:53:14]
Speaker 1
 the son of that sharp little dude.

[13:02:53:14 - 13:03:02:12]
Speaker 3
 Nope, that guy's totally unrelated. He's, he's like representative of a totally different nation. He's, he's the only person from the Seven Isles who's there. Okay.

[13:03:02:12 - 13:03:04:18]
Speaker 1
 But 13 brothers or whatever.

[13:03:04:18 - 13:04:37:04]
Speaker 3
 12 older brothers. Yeah, he so I've rewatched this because I was like, I don't understand. It feels so weird that he is well, while I was already watching it anyway, I was looking for these certain things. And I was like, I don't get that I must have missed something. Where is it that we start to see him show any sign that he's going to be a bad guy? Because, you know, he saves Elsa from being shot by arrows from the other guys who are there with him. He is being very gentlemanly and kind towards Anna. He is definitely stereotypical prince charming. But the thing that kills me is in the first scene where they meet, and they keep falling on top of each other. And then like he ends up falling in the water because the horse lets go of the boat. And she walks off the boat moves up, you see his face. And he looks at her with a little gentle smile and longing. She's not there to see this. So if she's pretending to be a good guy, and he has like evil in his heart and bad intentions, why the hell would he be like, Oh, that was what an interaction. And I've heard like I read through the all the trivia and the IMDb. There are so many people are like, well, in that song that they're singing, she is very slightly ahead of him. And he was moving a little bit behind her. So he's just following and mimicking what she's doing. Bullshit.

[13:04:38:08 - 13:04:52:23]
Speaker 3
 There is maybe a moment or two, but there are things they say at exactly the same time and dance in the exact same way. And he is not looking at her looking for cues. So I think that this was part of a quick rewrite.

[13:04:52:23 - 13:04:54:04]
Speaker 2
 Oh, interesting.

[13:04:54:04 - 13:05:10:10]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, I'm pretty sure between that, actually, the villain can't be this person. So it needs to be this person. I there are characters that are based on the original story. So you kind of see the structure of them. And they're a little bit Christoph and honorable, sort of based roughly on characters from the original story.

[13:05:10:10 - 13:05:45:22]
Speaker 2
 But, you know, I thought in this goes back to just the trophy and as of all of these films, I thought what was going to happen was that. So of course, she goes off searching for her sister meets Hans. Yeah, I was like, oh, this Christoph Christoph. And I was like, oh, they've got a connection here. But I was like, Christoph obviously ends up with Elsa. He loves the ice. Right. Oh, that's interesting. I didn't like, wait a second. Is that what's going on? And I realized, oh, Kelly, you're thinking like a Disney, typical Disney movie.

[13:05:45:22 - 13:06:08:19]
Speaker 3
 I think that that might have been part of the core structure originally, too, because why else would there be these two guys? And if Hans wasn't going to be the villain, then Christoph could have potentially been, I don't know, I feel like that there's something in there. There is a weird and I didn't understand Christoph's backstory. I was like, why the fuck was he raised by trolls? So I had to it was maybe the eighth rewatch.

[13:06:08:19 - 13:06:14:10]
Speaker 2
 Because the first scene is him as a little kid with the baby reindeer. The ice harvesters.

[13:06:14:10 - 13:07:01:18]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. And so when did he get raised by trolls? It was like the eighth time I watched this, but I finally I had to peer into it. I was looking it up on Wikipedia and different forums on Reddit. Somebody was like, oh, yeah, that that time that this thing happens. I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? So after Anna gets hit in the head and the king takes her towards the trolls, at that same time, there's like ice that's forming behind their sled. And Christoph and the reindeer, as little kids are, see it and follow it to where the trolls are. And then he's peering and spying on this whole interaction. And at that point, the one of the trolls says, you two are cuties. I'm gonna keep you. Oh, so that's the he got adopted right then and there.

[13:07:01:18 - 13:07:03:22]
Speaker 1
 So I'm gonna jump back.

[13:07:05:02 - 13:07:20:17]
Speaker 1
 I loved that we had no idea who's gonna turn evil. Yeah, I thought it was fantastic. Because it is interesting. Because usually, they're going to set you up. Yeah. And by the time that goes, okay, finally, you got to this point, which I knew it was coming from the moment he looked that one way.

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Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[13:07:21:04 - 13:07:58:19]
Speaker 1
 But I love your reasoning for why it probably ended up happening. I just thought that was great. I, because especially modern audiences, we know so much now about story structure, we know so much about the way stories are told, that when something flips, I thought for the same reason you like the loss of tropes. I like that they did not, until it came pretty close, you know, when he's talking to all the men around the table, he's kind of been a dick, but not a complete one that that was left to be able to be a surprise. Because it's like, you know, we're not going to force out of this.

[13:07:58:19 - 13:08:36:08]
Speaker 3
 Fuck it. It's just the thing that I find really fascinating is there is a generation of girls. So I grew up with Prince Charming, you're looking for the perfect guy, you're doing, you know, it is embedded in you. It's just part of your DNA. You are brainwashed. As a kid, this is just how it is for all the women in my age range and a little bit younger. But all these girls who grew up watching Frozen, they now have that hesitancy. Like it really did have a big effect on the way that women view relationships because it's like, oh, if he seems perfect, he might actually not be. And there might be lies

[13:08:36:08 - 13:08:42:09]
Speaker 1
 that pretend to be perfect. And then turn into ranging assholes. I did not

[13:08:42:09 - 13:08:46:14]
Speaker 3
 date at least four to five of them. Minimum.

[13:08:47:15 - 13:08:47:20]
Speaker 3
 Minimum.

[13:08:47:20 - 13:08:52:07]
Speaker 1
 You need to watch Frozen. Good thing you're helping talk this future.

[13:08:52:07 - 13:09:06:01]
Speaker 3
 I feel good about that. And she is, by the way, side note, in love with Kristoff. Like in love, this is her first crush. It is. And I'm fine with it because it's the actors of Gabe, Broadway.

[13:09:07:02 - 13:09:24:18]
Speaker 3
 Man, I'm like, by all means, the show. You go girl, get it. But I like that Kristoff is challenging her. He questions on it. He's like, wait, you fell in love with the first. What is his last name? And she's like, of the Southern Isles.

[13:09:25:21 - 13:09:40:12]
Speaker 3
 Who's his best friend, John? Like, it's very cool that he's pressing. So I do really like how the overall effect I don't think it's good storytelling, but I do think that in the end, it actually is a really positive thing.

[13:09:42:11 - 13:09:50:09]
Speaker 2
 You you are leaving out the Kristoff that after he's the lead in that HBO series, Mind Hunters.

[13:09:50:09 - 13:09:52:02]
Speaker 3
 I haven't seen.

[13:09:52:02 - 13:09:55:12]
Speaker 2
 I just got range. I fucking love.

[13:09:55:12 - 13:10:14:08]
Speaker 3
 He's great. He's great. And it's great because if you watch the behind the scenes stuff for Frozen two, they have like a 10 episode. Each one's like 40 minutes long. It's really good about how they make it. And it makes you very nervous about the quality and consistency of Disney content because they're flying by the seat of their fucking pants.

[13:10:14:08 - 13:10:14:19]
Speaker 1
 Yeah.

[13:10:14:19 - 13:10:29:19]
Speaker 3
 Like they they have the actors improving while half the script is already been shot in the animated and then they're animating afterwards to catch up to the performances. And then the story is getting rewritten. Anyways,

[13:10:29:19 - 13:10:34:08]
Speaker 1
 you might want to check out the making of South Park episodes if you think Disney is.

[13:10:35:08 - 13:10:40:14]
Speaker 3
 I've seen I've seen it once a long time ago. And I remember it being like the day before.

[13:10:40:14 - 13:10:44:09]
Speaker 1
 And they do an episode every week. Yeah, just like a regular sitcom.

[13:10:44:09 - 13:10:59:14]
Speaker 3
 But yeah, that actor, he was one of the ones that they didn't bother to fly in. He's based out in New York. And every single time they get him recording, he's he does just perfect. So yeah, he's incredible. Yeah.

[13:10:59:14 - 13:11:01:03]
Speaker 2
 He's the new Bobby Darrin.

[13:11:01:03 - 13:11:04:13]
Speaker 3
 How did you guys find a lot

[13:11:04:13 - 13:11:18:05]
Speaker 2
 annoying, but in a typical Disney way, I will say that I loved his song about summer. Sure. And the fact that, you know, I was like, oh, he has no idea.

[13:11:19:11 - 13:11:20:12]
Speaker 2
 Beautiful.

[13:11:20:12 - 13:11:22:23]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, I enjoy it.

[13:11:24:12 - 13:11:53:11]
Speaker 1
 Maybe because in comparison to like what the 80s cartoons did, like with the man or the Wonder Twin powers and all these ungodly annoying characters, I find their annoying characters a little less. So I find the fun. I think he's fun. He does what he's supposed to do. Yeah, he doesn't intercede and become

[13:11:55:00 - 13:12:07:10]
Speaker 1
 major plot point too much. Like sometimes I feel sidekicks are given. You shouldn't be able to do what you just did in the form of this story. So I enjoy it.

[13:12:07:10 - 13:12:45:11]
Speaker 3
 I had a hard time with him at first. I found him very annoying. And I hated his character design. I'm like, he is such a hideous like if you try to look for an Olaf stuffed animal, just you know, because your daughter also likes Olaf. They are also absolutely hideous. We're like, I don't want her sleeping with this weird ass thing on with this little sticks hair and it's so horrible. But over time, I have come to really appreciate his he's speaking to the adults. He's given me the little more adult humor. He's very knowing of what story they're in. Yeah.

[13:12:45:11 - 13:12:54:02]
Speaker 2
 Yeah. I saw the writer in me then, of course, like when I can't figure something out, I'm like, well, here's a way you could have done that.

[13:12:54:02 - 13:12:54:08]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[13:12:54:08 - 13:13:14:09]
Speaker 2
 And unfortunately, like in this one, I was like, okay, the brain for this thing, I kept coming up with different ways that this could have been done that was maybe a little more organic and it all twisted to very dark stuff. You know, she's telling her a story or something and the ice is building all around and I was like, okay, I guess that I will just let that one go.

[13:13:15:10 - 13:13:22:00]
Speaker 2
 But the one thing that I was sure of and you telling me about how maybe rewrites are just happening left and right.

[13:13:22:00 - 13:13:22:12]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[13:13:24:02 - 13:13:25:04]
Speaker 2
 I thought, okay,

[13:13:26:16 - 13:13:44:05]
Speaker 2
 the Elsa can't control her powers. She doesn't know how to stop the winter and everything. She's born a mutant. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, we're going to find out that Anna's power is the power of spring. You know, right. He's going to be little. I missed a heat. My.

[13:13:45:20 - 13:13:52:13]
Speaker 2
 Get something like that. And that together they are able to, yeah, to make the world a happy medium.

[13:13:52:13 - 13:13:55:01]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. You think a writer would have thought about that, huh?

[13:13:55:01 - 13:14:04:04]
Speaker 2
 Well, I, I was just sure that was what was going to happen. I was like, here's what happens when the true love kiss happens is that her own powers now come out

[13:14:04:04 - 13:14:10:21]
Speaker 3
 or she saves her. And when she comes back, all of a sudden she melts, you know, because of that reason or something.

[13:14:10:21 - 13:14:38:09]
Speaker 1
 But again, we're, we're wanting them earlier for messing with trips. Right. Yeah. And that is a trope. That is a very obvious story that you would have expected to see. So maybe I'm sure they thought that, yeah. You know, I'm sure they thought of everything as well written as this film is overall. I'm sure they thought of a lot of the things we're thinking of because I either, I don't care or no word that trope. We're not going to do that.

[13:14:38:09 - 13:14:39:00]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[13:14:39:00 - 13:14:47:06]
Speaker 1
 We know, we know everybody expects them to become sisters and both do the things. Okay. We're just going to have her be her human sister.

[13:14:47:06 - 13:14:54:08]
Speaker 2
 I guess. I mean, I wouldn't look at that so much as a trope as this explains things now.

[13:14:54:08 - 13:14:55:02]
Speaker 3
 Yeah.

[13:14:55:02 - 13:14:58:21]
Speaker 2
 Instead of one person in this world has a superpower. Yeah.

[13:14:59:21 - 13:15:00:05]
Speaker 3
 Yeah.

[13:15:01:05 - 13:15:09:10]
Speaker 3
 And I will say again in Frozen 2, they try to explain some of this stuff and so much worse at whatever plot point you have an issue with here.

[13:15:10:10 - 13:15:11:15]
Speaker 3
 Oof. Oof.

[13:15:11:15 - 13:15:23:04]
Speaker 2
 Well, um, let's see. Uh, okay. So first of all, the songs, fucking super catchy. Yeah. Very. Even I had heard that having never seen this movie.

[13:15:23:04 - 13:15:44:22]
Speaker 1
 Yeah. What I thought was funny about the Let It Go is at the end credits they have the top version that's supposed to be the one that's big hits and the radio and all the stuff went, we're not playing that. Yeah. And it was the actual one from the movie that became the huge giant hit. It's true. Which I, and I think is a much better version. That one in the credits just sounds.

[13:15:44:22 - 13:15:47:02]
Speaker 3
 It's fine. Yeah.

[13:15:47:02 - 13:15:50:08]
Speaker 1
 But I have a very funny memory with that song.

[13:15:51:14 - 13:16:05:06]
Speaker 1
 Uh, Dina and I were in Costco and we hear this cute little voice singing that song at the top of our lungs that we cover up and it's this tiny little kid barely able to walk just walking up and down the aisle singing.

[13:16:06:23 - 13:16:15:21]
Speaker 1
 And everybody is like kind of, it's one of those, what would be now on Instagram kind of thing, but we're in Greece and like, it was so dark.

[13:16:15:21 - 13:16:43:18]
Speaker 3
 That song really was interesting because I remember when this movie came out, I had zero reason to watch it. I was very uninterested in it. And a guy I was seeing at the time, his son was like really obsessed with it. And I remember thinking like this movies, what the hell? The stupid song. All the people lined up around the block to see this movie for the 10th time. I was like, it was so dumb. And then watching it the first time properly, I was like,

[13:16:44:22 - 13:17:08:08]
Speaker 3
 the parents die partway into the song. This is one of the darkest Disney songs I have ever witnessed. By the end, you're like crying because you're like, oh my god, like it starts off as playful sisters and then the parents die and then they're lonely and it's horrible. I was like, no, we only have each other. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Oh my god.

[13:17:08:08 - 13:17:17:21]
Speaker 1
 I love this song. I unabashedly love this song. I still know there's those songs you hear in movies or something that you're like, I'm going to always love this song. I remember sending the theater.

[13:17:17:21 - 13:17:20:22]
Speaker 3
 Do you want to build a snowman? I apologize.

[13:17:22:08 - 13:17:28:00]
Speaker 2
 I always want to build a snowman somehow good despite how clunky it is.

[13:17:28:00 - 13:17:28:11]
Speaker 3
 Yes.

[13:17:28:11 - 13:17:38:05]
Speaker 2
 I will say this about Let It Go. It does not hold a candle to the band Loudness, the Japanese metal band who made the New York City release the song called Let It Go.

[13:17:39:09 - 13:17:42:02]
Speaker 1
 But this is still a new song. I'm sure that was part of the inspiration.

[13:17:44:03 - 13:17:48:05]
Speaker 3
 I was definitely sorry. I was definitely thinking, do you want to build a snowman? But Let It Go is all good.

[13:17:48:05 - 13:17:54:12]
Speaker 1
 I was going through the lyrics and they're going, it does? I'm like, you would, I'm going to refer to you on

[13:17:54:12 - 13:17:56:12]
Speaker 3
 all things. No, I'm a

[13:17:56:12 - 13:18:07:00]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, that's a dark one. I always found it weird how many people rasped onto that thing and stuff going beyond the refrain. Go back and listen to that song.

[13:18:08:03 - 13:18:29:09]
Speaker 3
 No, Let It Go is a great power ballad. And I think it, I've heard of a number of different women or girls who were in high school going through a really hard time who that song really like leaned onto as, okay, I've got to get through this thing and I've got to like figure out, you know, I can be myself. I can just forget about all this painful stuff. So yeah, it's pretty cool.

[13:18:30:12 - 13:18:41:13]
Speaker 2
 So the, so Elsa as a child has the snow power, she can't control and everything. And the answer is let's lock her in a room. It's so stupid.

[13:18:41:13 - 13:18:42:05]
Speaker 1
 Yeah.

[13:18:42:05 - 13:18:44:19]
Speaker 2
 Also, we're going to make sure she becomes the queen.

[13:18:44:19 - 13:18:45:13]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[13:18:45:13 - 13:18:55:12]
Speaker 2
 It's so crazy. Let's just tell her when she's died. Well, what to do with her, Anna can be queen or something, but yeah, you don't have to live in a room.

[13:18:55:12 - 13:19:46:09]
Speaker 3
 I know that that is a big problem. Stop everything. I was like, your parents damaged these people so bad. And the troubles. I was like, are you kidding me that this is the solve the trolls wipe her memory, which means Ana later is like, my sister would never hurt me because she has no memory of how her sister hurt her. Yeah. So that's a big problem. It's in the, yeah. And the fact that the parents like, why, why lock her up by herself? Why not let anyone else solve things? Why not, you know, have her sister and her have a positive relationship where they can be there for each other or give a few ideas about, Hey, maybe don't just like not feel anything, but maybe feel something different or experiment with what happens if you laugh and you're using your snow power versus cry when you're using your snow power. It's very stupid.

[13:19:46:09 - 13:19:52:17]
Speaker 1
 Maybe if parents are real dicks, maybe if the parents, they died pretty quickly after that. So maybe, no,

[13:19:52:17 - 13:20:05:23]
Speaker 3
 they're like, she's like 16 years when they die. Yeah. So there's probably about 10, not quite 10 years because she's 18. No, she's 18 when she gets coordinated. I think she's 16 when they die. Yeah.

[13:20:07:03 - 13:20:07:11]
Speaker 1
 They're dicks.

[13:20:07:11 - 13:20:14:00]
Speaker 3
 I mean, and they're not written that way, right? They're written to be caring, loving parents, but.

[13:20:14:00 - 13:20:17:06]
Speaker 2
 But the actions say otherwise. That's right.

[13:20:18:15 - 13:20:21:08]
Speaker 2
 Tell me about Frozen 2. Was that theatrical?

[13:20:21:08 - 13:20:26:13]
Speaker 3
 Yes. It was the movie that basically kept Disney afloat through COVID.

[13:20:27:17 - 13:20:45:12]
Speaker 3
 I think that's why Frozen 3 and 4 are showing up. It was a huge success. Huge, huge, huge. It brought in so much cash flow. I think it came out in, I want to say it came out in 2019 and not really 2020. I think it was the end of 2019 because it was like a Christmas time.

[13:20:45:12 - 13:20:48:02]
Speaker 2
 And what I like it.

[13:20:49:08 - 13:20:50:17]
Speaker 3
 I think you should watch it.

[13:20:50:17 - 13:20:55:18]
Speaker 2
 But what I like. I'm not encouraging it. I liked Frozen quite a bit.

[13:20:57:15 - 13:21:04:15]
Speaker 3
 I think you'll find it fine. I don't think you'll love it. It doesn't make it worse. It doesn't ruin anything.

[13:21:05:16 - 13:21:31:22]
Speaker 3
 It just furthers the lore and explores different elements of it. I just find that I know how to rewrite it and make it good. And it's not that way. And I think it was a very low hanging fruit to fix some very basic ass shit. But it has some good songs. There is a song that Kristoff sings that you would love in this. I highly recommend. See it just for that.

[13:21:33:18 - 13:21:38:21]
Speaker 2
 I have here, let's see. You've probably got a ton of trivia.

[13:21:38:21 - 13:21:40:21]
Speaker 3
 No, I'm eager to hear yours.

[13:21:40:21 - 13:22:04:02]
Speaker 2
 Let It Go went on to break many pop music records, becoming the first song from a Disney animated musical to reach the top 10 of the Billboard Hot 100 since Colors of the Wind, which was from Pocahontas. The song is Menzel's first single to reach the top 10 on the Billboard Hot 100, making her the first Tony Award winner for acting ever to get to the top 10.

[13:22:05:13 - 13:22:10:15]
Speaker 2
 And then on March 2nd, 2014, Let It Go won the Academy Award for best original song

[13:22:11:16 - 13:22:18:11]
Speaker 2
 where it was performed live by her. I had stopped watching the Academy Awards. John Travolta deeply hurt his career.

[13:22:18:11 - 13:22:19:04]
Speaker 1
 Oh,

[13:22:20:08 - 13:22:33:22]
Speaker 1
 he didn't even. Oh, so bad. It was so bad. I'm trying to say it wasn't even close. I can't remember what he said, but he tried to say even though and it was oh, I mean, it was nothing.

[13:22:33:22 - 13:22:40:14]
Speaker 3
 Oh, no, look at her name. It's a really easy one. Once you've like heard it once. Wow.

[13:22:42:20 - 13:22:57:01]
Speaker 2
 And then we had talked about this a couple weeks ago in a landmark deal that is among the highest in animation history. Kristen Bell, Josh Gad and Adina Menzel have signed deals worth over $60 million each to return for Frozen 3 and Frozen 4.

[13:22:57:01 - 13:22:57:15]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[13:22:59:04 - 13:23:07:11]
Speaker 2
 Jennifer Lee, the director of both films will also be directing those. And this is Disney's most valuable franchise.

[13:23:07:11 - 13:23:08:03]
Speaker 4
 Yes.

[13:23:08:03 - 13:23:13:15]
Speaker 2
 Frozen 2 gross 1.4 billion. That's Frozen 2 gross 1.4 billion

[13:23:14:23 - 13:23:18:14]
Speaker 2
 which followed the Oscar winning original that scored 1.3 billion.

[13:23:18:14 - 13:23:23:22]
Speaker 3
 Yep. I was gonna say this one got 1.28 billion. So yeah.

[13:23:25:04 - 13:23:39:01]
Speaker 2
 Which is interesting. So I remember seeing, you know, Disney was releasing movies at the same time they were releasing Frozen. So I remember seeing Tangled a couple years before that. I remember liking that a lot. But man, whatever this had.

[13:23:40:12 - 13:23:49:08]
Speaker 3
 I don't know either. I don't fully get the exact spark, but maybe it's just that they spent time showing them as kids. Maybe it's the sister story.

[13:23:49:08 - 13:24:05:15]
Speaker 1
 See, that's all in all a lot of the Disney movies. I think it's what we were talking about earlier. It's the classic. It's the tropes. It's like this is what you think is going to happen because that's all what always happens at Disney. When I'm going to do that this time, Kristoff is not going to be the love's kiss.

[13:24:07:02 - 13:24:50:17]
Speaker 1
 It's going to be something else. And that I think that is powerful. Yeah. Because very powerful. With that huge scene of the two of them running towards each other and running towards each other. And then, oh, there's not gonna be that. Yep. There's gonna be something totally different. And then maybe even the whole thing we were talking about earlier, like you not thinking that guy's going to be evil, but he turns on a gun and becomes a raging asshole. Yeah. There's just so many little things that's different that if you go through Little Mermaid Beauty and the Beast Lion King, all those there is beat, beat, beat, beat. Yeah. And they all have the same beats because that's a Disney movie. That's what a Disney movie is supposed to be. Yeah. So I think that and even like some of

[13:24:50:17 - 13:25:14:08]
Speaker 3
 it, I love that the I wish song is sung in tandem with her sisters. This is a nightmare in my worst. I wish not song. Yes. Like they're both singing, both counterparts of this. And it's really interesting because you know that on is going to get what she wants, but Elsa is fucking terrified. So there's there's kind of interesting things there.

[13:25:14:08 - 13:25:31:03]
Speaker 1
 Exactly. Because there's depth. It also feels like, like I was saying, it feels like the Elsa when she's singing Let It Go is the creation of a Disney villain. Yeah. So the thinking then would be on is going to have to figure out how to stop or prevent her. Yeah. Sister as opposed to they need to get back together.

[13:25:31:03 - 13:26:13:03]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. And find each other in a common ground. And Anna is the key to Elsa ultimately, because she has just been waiting at her door all these years to be the solve of like, hey, you just need love. Like you just need love. That's all comes down to. And I will say I do get choked up every single time I watch Olaf trying to save Anna in the with the fireplace. And he starts melting. And she's like, oh, if you're not like, there's some people worth melting for. I'm like, God, fuck you. And then I do like that he puts himself back together. And he's like, maybe just not right now. There.

[13:26:14:04 - 13:26:20:21]
Speaker 2
 I also saw that this movie has turned the name Elsa from obscurity,

[13:26:22:00 - 13:26:24:03]
Speaker 2
 one of the 100 most popular girls names.

[13:26:24:03 - 13:26:25:02]
Speaker 1
 Okay.

[13:26:25:02 - 13:26:37:21]
Speaker 3
 I think that's great. I think that's great. It's a good name. And I can share a little bit of trivia for this as well. Originally, when Queen Elsa was intended to be the villain, they based her design on Bette Midler.

[13:26:40:05 - 13:26:50:01]
Speaker 3
 Apparently, the love is an open door song sequence. I've mentioned this has a lot of very small minute hints that Hans is going to become bad. It's not true.

[13:26:51:10 - 13:27:03:03]
Speaker 3
 Oh, here's the interesting one. When I posted on Facebook about how how I've been seeing this movie over and over again, some dude I know who I do not like very much. Not either.

[13:27:05:02 - 13:27:21:10]
Speaker 3
 Just the different, a different, a different, I was like, oh, you need to hear about the Tarzan thing. And so I looked deep into the Tarzan thing. Chris Buck and Jennifer Lee have insinuated that the parents died on the way to Rapunzel's wedding.

[13:27:23:08 - 13:27:45:13]
Speaker 3
 So that that was where the ship was going to, but also that maybe the parents didn't die. And they were the parents of Tarzan, which, yeah. And there's certain things about it that line up. And Chris Buck is even said, you know, he had directed Tarzan. He's like, I always had it kind of in the back of my head, but that's what happened. They are in different fucking time periods, people.

[13:27:46:14 - 13:27:47:14]
Speaker 3
 Literally planets.

[13:27:47:14 - 13:27:51:05]
Speaker 2
 Different. Yeah. This is a different universe. This is a universe of magic.

[13:27:51:05 - 13:27:58:02]
Speaker 1
 Yeah. Like they didn't leave ambiguity. No, it's like, oh, boat is gone.

[13:27:58:02 - 13:28:03:20]
Speaker 3
 Go, but it's gone. You see the boat. Oh, wait, do you see the boat? No, we see it. We see it happening.

[13:28:03:20 - 13:28:04:08]
Speaker 1
 Yeah.

[13:28:04:08 - 13:28:05:16]
Speaker 3
 We see it. Yeah.

[13:28:07:01 - 13:28:08:06]
Speaker 3
 No way. And

[13:28:09:06 - 13:28:17:13]
Speaker 3
 in the second one, you see the ship. So it's like, there's definitely like, okay, that's what happened to it. But it just, I don't.

[13:28:17:13 - 13:28:37:17]
Speaker 1
 That's, I have a huge love hate with fan theories on movies. Yeah. Sometimes they're really fun and really interesting, but it seems the dumber they are, the more it's true. The person saying it has to try to, like, I'm ready to convince you this dumb idea is real. It's like, okay, later.

[13:28:37:17 - 13:28:58:21]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. I know the passion behind it. I was, and it just made me even more mad how like faulty that theory is. I was like, I just, it's not like wasted my time going down a rabbit hole, but I was pretty mad about it. I was like, are you stupid? You didn't watch the, like a full YouTube video about how this is like the theory and why it's not right. Yeah.

[13:28:58:21 - 13:29:11:10]
Speaker 2
 Speaking of Tarzan, I am a huge Tarzan fan. I used to be, well, no, it's still my favorite Tarzan movie. I've got all the old Edgar Rice, bro books and everything.

[13:29:12:12 - 13:29:17:11]
Speaker 2
 That Disney Tarzan is just about the best adaptation of the actual Tarzan story.

[13:29:18:15 - 13:29:20:16]
Speaker 2
 Even better than Grey Stoke, which is close.

[13:29:20:16 - 13:29:45:09]
Speaker 3
 I have such PTSD from that movie that I cannot enjoy it. I cannot enjoy it. I had a trigonometry teacher who during tests would play the Tarzan soundtrack and I have testing. I'm not joking. I have testing anxiety. And so I failed my way through that entire course because I could not concentrate because I was listening to Phil Collins.

[13:29:47:00 - 13:30:09:00]
Speaker 3
 The beautiful, wonderful Phil Collins was ruining A high school. That is so weird. Yeah. And he was, I hate that man and everyone else, he was their favorite teacher. So I was the odd man out. I then went to community college to retake the class over a summer. It was taught by a like 80 something year old Polish man. I got a B plus.

[13:30:10:02 - 13:30:14:00]
Speaker 3
 It was not my fault that I could not learn about trigonometry.

[13:30:14:00 - 13:30:17:07]
Speaker 1
 So have you spotted the hidden Mickey Mouse?

[13:30:17:07 - 13:30:23:08]
Speaker 3
 I have. Well, no, actually I hadn't. I just read about it yesterday. I take that back.

[13:30:23:08 - 13:30:26:14]
Speaker 1
 It's in the cast. Traitor, the guys.

[13:30:28:10 - 13:30:31:00]
Speaker 3
 Oh my God.

[13:30:32:08 - 13:30:32:13]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[13:30:32:13 - 13:30:35:05]
Speaker 1
 Okan. Okan's post in the song.

[13:30:36:07 - 13:30:38:13]
Speaker 2
 What else do you have? Wandering Okan.

[13:30:38:13 - 13:30:52:13]
Speaker 3
 Wandering Okan. So also a live reindeer was brought into the animation studio for animators to study its movements and mannerisms for the reindeer characters. Fen co-director Jennifer Lee said it was the best moment during production for her.

[13:30:53:13 - 13:31:02:16]
Speaker 3
 Also, Kristen Anderson Lopez and Robert Lopez, which is the husband wife team that wrote the music for this and for Frozen 2, wrote Let It Go in a Single Day.

[13:31:04:00 - 13:31:12:21]
Speaker 3
 They basically went to a park and were like, what about this line? That sounds cool. What about that one? The two began by envisioning the song with an emo undertone.

[13:31:14:03 - 13:31:15:05]
Speaker 3
 Yep. And then.

[13:31:16:18 - 13:31:22:13]
Speaker 3
 What else? Anything else interesting about this movie?

[13:31:24:04 - 13:31:29:05]
Speaker 3
 Frozen soundtrack spent 13 consecutive weeks at number one on the Billboard 200.

[13:31:30:19 - 13:32:06:18]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, that's mostly what I got. I mean, there's a lot of trivia out there, but it's not that exciting. I do think it's interesting that so the production team before they went in to start this movie took a trip to Norway. And so they picked up a lot of notes about how things are. Like there's an argument about how wood is stacked. And that's based off a big argument that had happened in Norway about whether you burn it with the bark up versus down. And yeah, so there's lots of really cool little, you know, in the loot, visque,

[13:32:06:18 - 13:32:07:18]
Speaker 1
 like in the terminator.

[13:32:07:18 - 13:32:11:01]
Speaker 3
 No, there's no answer. It's a 50 50 split.

[13:32:11:01 - 13:32:13:13]
Speaker 1
 I would go with bark up personal.

[13:32:14:15 - 13:32:15:11]
Speaker 1
 I'm splitting what does it

[13:32:15:11 - 13:32:29:23]
Speaker 3
 go on a side personally, because like the way I've built many a fire way that you structure it, you want to catch and you want the driest easiest bit catch to be so the bark, it will burn longest, but is the hardest to catch.

[13:32:31:15 - 13:32:34:22]
Speaker 3
 So I think either face down or to the side.

[13:32:36:17 - 13:32:39:16]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, unless it's the bottom part.

[13:32:39:16 - 13:32:46:20]
Speaker 1
 That's like pouring milk in before you put the cereal in. Well, thank

[13:32:46:20 - 13:33:03:08]
Speaker 2
 you for introducing. I don't think I would have bothered to watch this if this said come up. Yeah, no, I know why because I've seen a lot of Disney movies. But this one, I was just like, it seems like more Disney than I know,

[13:33:03:08 - 13:33:05:20]
Speaker 1
 which is odd because it's a little less.

[13:33:05:20 - 13:33:29:11]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. And it's interesting, too, because I will say with a lot of previous Disney stuff, all the sequels are absolutely fucking guarded, except for a little toy series Pixar. But if you are bored and want to watch any of the Frozen shorts, they're all good. All this stuff is good. There's nothing that's bad that they've put out. Yeah. So having seen almost all of them, I will say it.

[13:33:29:11 - 13:33:38:12]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, my niece went into a Cinderella Cinderella to dreams come true. Very luckily, it was very short. Wow, that movie is

[13:33:38:12 - 13:33:53:01]
Speaker 3
 I remember getting Little Mermaid two or three and they were like, from the metal bin in the grocery store product and it was really, really well,

[13:33:54:03 - 13:34:00:06]
Speaker 3
 thank you guys so much for watching this and talking to me about this. It's just it's made my whole thing week.

[13:34:00:06 - 13:34:02:21]
Speaker 2
 A little bit of therapy for you. It's so helpful.

[13:34:04:00 - 13:34:09:05]
Speaker 1
 And the other thoughts? Are we coming up? No, I think we've really

[13:34:09:05 - 13:34:27:07]
Speaker 3
 covered everything. I just I'm so I'm so excited. And yeah, we're going to have a frozen beans. Second birthday party for my daughter in January. So yeah, pretty pretty stoked about it. It's their ice cream cake. Yeah.

[13:34:28:20 - 13:34:30:07]
Speaker 1
 Put her in an icebox.

[13:34:31:20 - 13:34:33:15]
Speaker 1
 Sit in here for a bit. Get like, would

[13:34:33:15 - 13:34:47:19]
Speaker 3
 love it. She stands in the freezer and she eats ice cubes regularly. She's one of her favorite treats. I'm not it's not me. Not my side. I do not care to be cold ever. So I'm like, all right. All right, kids. Here you go.

[13:34:47:19 - 13:34:50:18]
Speaker 2
 Somebody nice cheap treat. Yeah. Yeah. Nice view.

[13:34:50:18 - 13:35:03:01]
Speaker 3
 You tell me. I know. I'm like, oh, okay. You want an ice cube baby? All right. I'm gonna open this up. Here's one. Here's one for you. Oh, you want another? Okay, let's go back to the freezer.

[13:35:05:22 - 13:35:09:10]
Speaker 2
 Love it. Excellent. Well, this was this was fun for me too.

[13:35:11:07 - 13:35:21:00]
Speaker 2
 So much fun. We discussed about doing maybe each of us picking a movie that we have seen a bunch of times. I saw a watch it and have a one movie discussion.

[13:35:21:00 - 13:35:23:03]
Speaker 1
 I'm so excited. That's so great.

[13:35:24:05 - 13:35:27:11]
Speaker 2
 Which means the next choice of mine. Sure.

[13:35:27:11 - 13:35:28:09]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[13:35:31:02 - 13:35:33:08]
Speaker 2
 I'm gonna make you guys watch the black hole.

[13:35:34:15 - 13:35:36:11]
Speaker 3
 Excellent. Okay, cool. I have not seen it.

[13:35:36:11 - 13:35:40:22]
Speaker 2
 I know that is part of why I'm giving you a gift.

[13:35:40:22 - 13:35:44:20]
Speaker 3
 Also, it's you know, it's appreciated right around Christmas time.

[13:35:44:20 - 13:36:10:04]
Speaker 2
 This is this is that era of Disney where they were like, Hey, let's scare these little fuckers. Yes. Black cauldron. Black hole. Yeah, black cauldron, black hole, watch in the woods. Those kinds of movies. This one is, you know, beautiful and dark. And I think probably has the best representation of hell ever put to film.

[13:36:10:04 - 13:36:14:11]
Speaker 3
 Wow. Okay, I'm excited. Yeah, we should.

[13:36:14:11 - 13:36:18:05]
Speaker 2
 All right. And that's a little closer to our genre.

[13:36:19:13 - 13:36:22:20]
Speaker 3
 Hey, it's a fantasy film. Come on.

[13:36:22:20 - 13:36:25:20]
Speaker 1
 No, I can't say it.

[13:36:27:03 - 13:36:30:16]
Speaker 1
 Is there any one of the subjects I have recently? Why not?

[13:36:30:16 - 13:36:31:06]
Speaker 3
 Yeah,

[13:36:32:07 - 13:36:33:22]
Speaker 3
 it's not disco. I know, but

[13:36:33:22 - 13:36:36:03]
Speaker 2
 All right, guys.

[13:36:37:09 - 13:36:46:03]
Speaker 2
 Now is the part where we say thanks to everybody, especially if you sat through three adults discussing. We really appreciate it.

[13:36:47:12 - 13:37:00:10]
Speaker 2
 Also, if you if you like this kind of thing, why we're taking a movie and discussing it, let us know that too. You know, like to keep things interesting around here. Let us make let us know.

[13:37:02:09 - 13:37:02:22]
Speaker 2
 Thanks,

[13:37:04:10 - 13:37:14:02]
Speaker 2
 everybody who's out there was liking sharing posts, who's discussing the episodes, who's discussing everything but the episodes on the string chance radio top page.

[13:37:16:06 - 13:37:32:00]
Speaker 2
 You're down there on the YouTube stuff and, you know, making comments there. Apparently gets things going, especially if you're donating money. These microphones that we're trying out were paid for partly through donations, which I really, really appreciate.

[13:37:33:04 - 13:37:39:19]
Speaker 2
 And if you can't donate, think about just jumping online and leaving a nice review for us. That helps.

[13:37:39:19 - 13:37:45:23]
Speaker 1
 It's been a while since we got a review. So haven't done one or you have a new email.

[13:37:47:08 - 13:37:54:19]
Speaker 2
 Okay. For free. Right. It used to be that if you left a five star review, you could ask Eric to watch any movie. That's right.

[13:37:54:19 - 13:37:56:18]
Speaker 1
 I will do that again. Bring it on.

[13:37:56:18 - 13:38:04:14]
Speaker 3
 Excellent. I like that. I have left a five star. I think I left a one star.

[13:38:05:19 - 13:38:10:11]
Speaker 2
 These guys can really do a lot better. Yes. Vanessa, what about the string jams radio hotline?

[13:38:10:11 - 13:38:37:03]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. So you can reach us also on our hotline, which is 253-237-4266. You can also text message us there. You can leave a voicemail. You can reach out and tell us what you ate for dinner. You can tell us what you got. We're like, even if you told us what you think of our show or if you want to leave us a special little message or even a recommendation, that's probably what that line is for. But we love to, we love hearing from you.

[13:38:37:03 - 13:38:43:20]
Speaker 2
 I'm looking forward to the day we get a random butt dial and we play that. Let's see who's calling the hotline.

[13:38:44:22 - 13:38:55:17]
Speaker 2
 14 minutes. Also, I have a new Novella out. It is called a hell of a bullets and it's a weird Western.

[13:38:56:17 - 13:38:57:21]
Speaker 3
 What's it available on?

[13:38:57:21 - 13:39:01:01]
Speaker 2
 It's available on Kindle and.

[13:39:02:12 - 13:39:04:07]
Speaker 3
 Excellent. And can you buy it through your website as well?

[13:39:06:02 - 13:39:09:11]
Speaker 1
 That requires an inventory.

[13:39:10:15 - 13:39:14:11]
Speaker 2
 Look, there's a lot of shit going on in my life. If you want this book, you're gonna have to get it from me.

[13:39:14:11 - 13:39:18:13]
Speaker 3
 I still people prefer to sell it. I was trying to, you know,

[13:39:19:13 - 13:39:20:01]
Speaker 3
 good intentions.

[13:39:21:05 - 13:39:26:14]
Speaker 2
 Vanessa, I am holding on by a thread. I'm ready to burn everything down.

[13:39:26:14 - 13:39:30:00]
Speaker 3
 We need to get you in the very least.

[13:39:31:22 - 13:39:40:01]
Speaker 2
 All right, guys. Love you. Love you. Is this coming out just before Christmas? Oh, no, this is me after. It's the after Christmas. Okay.

[13:39:40:01 - 13:39:42:09]
Speaker 1
 Hey, thanks retroactively.

[13:39:42:09 - 13:39:43:21]
Speaker 3
 Happy

[13:39:43:21 - 13:39:48:01]
Speaker 2
 Thanksgiving that we also miss.

[13:39:48:01 - 13:39:49:02]
Speaker 3
 Happy.

[13:39:52:03 - 13:39:54:04]
Speaker 1
 Valentine's Day, whatever you got coming up.

[13:39:55:18 - 13:39:58:18]
Speaker 2
 All right, guys, we'll see you in two short weeks and we are talking to the black.

[13:40:01:21 - 13:40:03:23]
Speaker 4
 Well,

[13:40:05:17 - 13:40:06:12]
Speaker 2
 that was fun.

[13:40:06:12 - 13:40:11:01]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, that was great. Thank you. Again, guys. I really appreciate it.

[13:40:11:01 - 13:40:20:07]
Speaker 2
 No, I mean, I really appreciate having a reason to watch this. It was so much better than I thought it was. Yeah. It's like, boy, this is fucking great.

[13:40:20:07 - 13:40:28:18]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, it was so different than what I thought it was going to be the first time I watched it. I was like, Oh, oh, okay. That's interesting.

[13:40:30:10 - 13:40:30:15]
Speaker 3
 Wow.

[13:40:32:03 - 13:40:33:10]
Speaker 3
 I don't know what to do with this.

[13:40:34:19 - 13:40:36:01]
Speaker 3
 I don't know how to follow this way.

[13:40:37:22 - 13:41:02:09]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, and I think I think Tangled kind of prepped the way for Frozen. They were doing some interesting stuff in there that it wasn't totally breaking all the expectations, but there's some there's some I do have to say that when I'm watching it with my daughter, I can't be like the evil mother. I'm like, Look, it's the wicked witch is tricking her. Like I can't implant and then the bomb is like the bad guy.

[13:41:03:14 - 13:41:06:00]
Speaker 2
 So this is blinking green now.

[13:41:10:03 - 13:41:18:09]
Speaker 2
 Well, I hope that this was the last time that that all works out and we go let's get rid of these microphones and wires.

[13:41:18:09 - 13:41:19:01]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[13:41:20:11 - 13:41:28:23]
Speaker 3
 And hopefully by the next time I won't have new headphones because I asked your Christmas. So I wouldn't have to buy this off

[13:41:28:23 - 13:41:31:07]
Speaker 2
 if we use these wireless mic. We don't need the headphones.

[13:41:32:17 - 13:41:37:14]
Speaker 1
 Oh, that's the only one that will have. Oh, unless you want to get a three way splitter.

[13:41:37:14 - 13:41:40:14]
Speaker 2
 I don't want to do that.

[13:41:40:14 - 13:41:47:09]
Speaker 3
 I like the I like the system, but I also I'm willing. I'm willing to try something.

[13:41:47:09 - 13:41:53:18]
Speaker 2
 I feel it will help the conversation. Yeah, if we make it more conversation.

[13:41:56:10 - 13:42:00:11]
Speaker 1
 So weird little question that went back and forth with two films.

[13:42:01:20 - 13:42:06:07]
Speaker 1
 Now, would you like to stay with us? Make an old place or is Amadeus of interest?

[13:42:06:07 - 13:42:09:14]
Speaker 2
 Oh, I would prefer Amadeus.

[13:42:09:14 - 13:42:11:18]
Speaker 3
 I haven't seen Amadeus in such a long time.

[13:42:11:18 - 13:42:17:07]
Speaker 2
 Let's do Amadeus. I've never seen Amadeus. Oh, okay. And I was hoping you were going to pick it.

[13:42:17:07 - 13:42:31:11]
Speaker 1
 I would say look for the theatrical. Oh, okay. It is superior to the director's kind of doesn't actually done, but wasn't done by. Okay. Yeah,

[13:42:33:11 - 13:42:42:12]
Speaker 1
 it has a couple good scenes, but it's got a scene or two that just overly destroyed what they set up with. Interesting,

[13:42:43:13 - 13:42:45:22]
Speaker 1
 which I'll talk about them when you watch it.

[13:42:48:08 - 13:42:51:10]
Speaker 3
 Are they remaking on this? I thought I saw a trailer for

[13:42:51:10 - 13:43:00:02]
Speaker 1
 not that I've heard of, but it's interesting. It's not like it's worship like cosplay. Yeah.

[13:43:04:15 - 13:43:05:20]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, that would be awesome.

[13:43:07:05 - 13:43:09:15]
Speaker 3
 I've got

[13:43:09:15 - 13:43:27:13]
Speaker 1
 a little bit part of that pre watching. Okay, this is still really good, but it's over two hours. I mean, it should not be a two hour plus. There is some fluff in there.

[13:43:27:13 - 13:43:35:22]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, but I still really like it. The last time I watched it was because I had given it as a gift to this girl. I was dating because she loved it.