348 ROSENCRANTZ AND GUILDENSTERN ARE DEAD!

348 ROSENCRANTZ AND GUILDENSTERN ARE DEAD!

Eric finally breaks Kelly.

Also discussed: Cold Storage, Bugonia, Scream 7

Transcript

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Speaker 2
 Well, I made some notes.

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 Oh, I'm sorry. Did I break your concentration?

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Speaker 20
 Somewhere between science and superstition.

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Speaker 21
 We have such sights to show you.

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Speaker 21
 Strange Eons.

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Speaker 2
 Welcome to Strange Eons Radio. That is Eric over there. That is Vanessa over there. Hello. And I am Kelly Vanessa. How you feeling? It's been two weeks since we last seen you.

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Speaker 3
 And I sound the same. I'm still in my comfy Scotland sweater, trying to make up for the chilly weather. But this is obviously the thing I wear when I don't feel good. I still got lozenges.

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Speaker 3
 My voice feels maybe a little bit less strong than two weeks ago, weirdly. Weirdly.

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Speaker 2
 Talk about chilly weather, middle of March, and we got snow. And that was fucking pain in the ass.

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Speaker 3
 Super warm. Yeah. And then it was really fucking cold again. So I don't know.

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Speaker 1
 I had free tickets to see that new A24 movie, The Sound Thing.

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Speaker 1
 That was like 11 AM the day it snows.

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Speaker 1
 And I don't know what it is with where we live now. We get a lot of snow in a two block area. It's like, OK, once you get out, there's virtually nothing. But we never got snow in Istikwa. We rarely got snow.

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Speaker 2
 That's because you're quite a bit higher than you were. And you're in the new convergence zone there. So-- There you go.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah. The area that I was in, we got a ton of snow as well. It was snowing all day. It was funny because I kept looking at the weather app. And it was like, it's never going to snow. It might snow, but it's going to stop at 9 AM. It's going to stop at noon. It's going to stop at 3 AM. It's going to stop at 5 AM. Or it'd be like, it is raining outside right now. And I'd be like, it ain't raining. Yeah, I've been shocked. Usually Seattle's very paranoid in their news coverage about weather like this. And they're like, we're all going to die. And this time they're like, you're wrong. It's not even snowing.

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Speaker 2
 I think that they were all surprised. And the way to cover that is, it's fine. Don't worry about it.

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Speaker 3
 It does.

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Speaker 3
 Just, you know, it's even if you're driving around, don't worry. It's fine. The roads are fine. Everything's fine. I'm like, it's a little slippery.

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Speaker 3
 OK.

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Speaker 2
 I've seen some movies, you guys. Yes, yeah, that's cool. And one of them I liked very much. It is called Cold Storage with the kid from Stranger Things. Joe Kiri, is that his name? The only good actor in that one. Is that a recent film?

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Speaker 1
 Arguable? Brand new. OK.

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Speaker 2
 He is a dude who is like a night manager at a storage facility. And then he and the new hire, who is a very attractive young woman, have discovered that there is something beeping behind one of the walls. So they break through the wall. And then they find that there is something that was put in storage a long, long time ago. And what that thing was is we get a really neat cold open where

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Speaker 2
 in like 1976 or something like that. Actually, I think they mentioned Skylab. So when did Skylab fall? Was that 80? Early 80s. OK. The exact date. Somebody has a piece in Australia of Skylab. And that piece was a piece of mold that was sent up with Skylab so that they could study what goes on and all that stuff. And it has come back mutated and is a real fucking problem. And so they seal it. And then they put it in this cold storage for 50 years. And the cold storage is failing. So you guys haven't seen the previews for this? Oh my god. It's got some body horror in it. And it's fun and funny. And I enjoyed it quite a bit. Well, that's cool. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
 So-- Sounds interesting.

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Speaker 2
 Relevant to our current times. Yeah. You guys will love it. It's got fucking Liam Neeson in it.

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Speaker 3
 Oh. OK. I probably saw the poster and thought it was just another Liam Neeson movie.

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Speaker 1
 He does a lot of movies. Yeah.

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Speaker 3
 If it's called cold storage, I guarantee I was like, uh-huh. It's like Fast Train. Well, he is-- High Wall.

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Speaker 2
 He is one of the side characters. Joe Curie is the main guy. And I can't remember exactly who this was. I actually saw this a couple of weeks back. But I remember going, that was pretty damn fun.

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Speaker 2
 So cold storage.

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Speaker 3
 Well, I saw in the lead up to the Oscars,

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Speaker 3
 I wanted to catch at least one or two more that I hadn't watched yet. So I checked out Begonia.

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Speaker 2
 Begonia.

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Speaker 3
 Which is based off of the-- I think it's the Japanese movie, Save the Green Planet,

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Speaker 3
 with Emma Stone. And I can't remember the other actors' names. But-- Fat Damon. Not Mad Damon. He's not in this movie. It's Fat Damon. Oh, Fat Damon. Oh, sure. OK. Gotcha. I'm in it now.

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Speaker 3
 It was-- I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3
 I don't know what people are expecting. That filmmaker, he's really hit and miss. I can't remember his name either.

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Speaker 1
 I can't think about his name either, but I really don't like this. I know this.

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Speaker 3
 That's mostly the time. I liked the last one a lot with the Frankenstein girl, Emma Stone version.

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Speaker 3
 That was really good.

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Speaker 2
 Yeah, I hated that.

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Speaker 3
 I liked it. I thought it was weird, but kind of fun. Jorgus Lanthamus. Yes, thank you. Jorgus Lanthamus. I did not like pretty things. I did not like killing a sacred deer.

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Speaker 3
 The lobster was a real tough watch.

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Speaker 3
 Four things. Yeah, I liked--

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Speaker 3
 I like this sort of slightly more humorous stuff that he's doing. I know that there's humor in his other stuff, but it's usually outweighed significantly by the dark.

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Speaker 3
 And I thought, you don't know how it's going to end. And I really appreciated the direction it took.

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Speaker 1
 I felt-- I've heard the ending. I watched about 40 minutes of it and go, I don't know. My biggest problem with him is-- and it's less in this film, like the lobster and the killing sacred deer there is very definite cadence all his actors have. And it bugs the shit out of me. And he's kind of gotten past that, but he still managed to give one of the characters in the movie that same cadence, the guy's brother.

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Speaker 3
 Oh, like the guy who's on the spectrum?

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Speaker 1
 Yeah, he has that same cadence that he's in the lobster.

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Speaker 3
 He doesn't have-- he's not acting. He's actually on the spectrum too. So that's interesting. I think that's just how he talks.

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Speaker 1
 Could be. But I thought Emma seemed like she was very good.

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Speaker 3
 I thought she was-- I think she's great. I think he really nailed-- I think he found something really special when he discovered her, even though I fucking hate--

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Speaker 3
 what is the one where she's like the queen's assistant or whatever? Oh, see, that was one of his films that did her film the "Ding Ball" too much. I hate that movie. But yeah, I think she and him have something that's working in there.

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Speaker 2
 I think that she is a very pretty woman. And he goes out of his way to make sure she is not very pretty.

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Speaker 3
 He shaved the shit out of her head. Yeah, he did that for real. I was listening to an interview where, apparently, to even the odds a little bit, he let her shave his head first. So she did that. And then, yeah.

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Speaker 3
 But most of her hair's growing back. And she looks great.

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Speaker 2
 And you liked it?

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Speaker 3
 I did.

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Speaker 2
 Bagonia.

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Speaker 3
 Bagonia.

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Speaker 2
 Did you watch the Academy Awards?

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Speaker 3
 I completely forgot it was occurring. And I missed the whole thing. I have since watched some of the highlights about it.

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Speaker 1
 But yeah. I do want to go back and watch the performance from "Cinders," the live show they did. Oh, cool. They did of that. But yeah.

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Speaker 3
 Michael B. Jordan winning the award. That was a cool-- that was a really cool-- I

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Speaker 1
 did not know his dad was Michael A. Jordan. Oh.

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Speaker 3
 Wait, as in the basketball?

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Speaker 1
 No, no. His name is Michael A. Jordan. Oh, as in-- And his son is Michael B. Jordan.

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Speaker 3
 That's crazy.

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Speaker 2
 I didn't know what his kid's name was going to be.

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Speaker 3
 I hope so, B.

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Speaker 2
 Why didn't they give him two statues?

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Speaker 2
 That's fair. That's a good one. I mean, you're going to give him best actor for which one?

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Speaker 3
 Which one did you like the most?

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Speaker 2
 I liked them both. I thought they were both very different characters. And they should have been-- look, if you're going to do shit like this, let's make it somewhat interesting. You know my stand on this, watching

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Speaker 2
 the most wealthy among us dress up and give themselves statues for how much fucking money they made is absolutely disgusting. But if they're going to make it somewhat fun and say, here, here you go. Have another guy-- what would have been great is to have him come out with his other character.

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Speaker 2
 Do you like-- Listen, I watched Kermit accept the award. And I watched R2D to bring out awards. They could have done something go away.

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Speaker 1
 They had Toy Story animated characters. They've done that before.

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Speaker 3
 They're in the audience, apparently. So Grogu.

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Speaker 2
 Yeah. Oh, I saw that, too.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah.

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Speaker 2
 Jesus Christ, Grogu. The fucking movie is called The Mandalorian and Grogu. What the fuck? Who thought this was a good idea for a name? Oh, that's so bad. Why can't it just be called The Mandalorian?

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Speaker 3
 Very strange. I don't-- it makes it look cheapo. I don't know. I'm sure it'll be great.

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Speaker 2
 It's going to be awful. I saw the trailer.

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Speaker 3
 I saw the trailer. I thought it looked bad.

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Speaker 2
 This looks rough.

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Speaker 3
 But I was sure I was just like, maybe the trailer is kind of bad.

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Speaker 2
 Ted Dastic, who hates everything that I like and likes everything that I hate, was just like, I finally saw the trailer. This looks fucking amazing. I was like, of course it looks amazing, too, Ted Dastic. Oh, that's funny.

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Speaker 3
 The trailer for Spider-Man brand new day, though.

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Speaker 2
 That looks really good. Yeah, that looks--

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Speaker 3
 I'm ready. I'm ready for Satsby. That's probably it.

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Speaker 1
 Oh, yes, me.

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Speaker 1
 Video Haven-- or Heaven. You've heard of this one? It's a new documentary that just came out. It's on Criterion.

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Speaker 1
 It has one drawback.

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Speaker 1
 But the basic idea is this is the history of video stores using their representation in movies and television shows to show the development. That's fun. It's very cool. The only problem-- as it gets near the end, it's sort of like they feel like, well, we want to show all these scenes, but we've sort of run out of our storyline. We're going to still show all these scenes. It's over three hours. Oh, my god. Why? So I'm like, you really didn't need to do this. Because it was really interesting and really well done to watch how the presentations-- like a video store in-- I think it's Body Double--

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Speaker 1
 is Tower Video. And it's this real slick and arty-looking, crazy over-the-top, the power of video at the time, being romantic and cool. And then as it goes along, it deteriorates a little bit to the Ma and Pa kind of videos. And it goes from being a central moment to background stuff and development of the person behind the counter from a fun, knowledgeable person to an arrogant shithead,

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Speaker 1
 overly important knowledge of music or of movies.

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Speaker 1
 So it was actually quite interesting through most of it. But man, when they start showing scenes from the films and let them run for like three, four, five minutes, I'm like, wow, stop that. Oh, man. Stop that. Overall, really interesting, really good. Criterion did kind of a neat thing with it. They've got--

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Speaker 1
 they do subjects. They've got-- I think it's called VHS treasures or something. But that movie and then a whole bunch of the movies that are featured in it are also on the Criterion channel at the same time. I was like, well, that's kind of cool. Because a lot of them are very abstract and hard to find. I mean, they went as far as having Seinfeld and friends scenes that took place in video stores showing how it had become such a part of our lives that even on these TV shows, people are going to end up in a video store.

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Speaker 3
 Did they end up doing a post--

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Speaker 3
 after video stores don't exist, we keep seeing them in movies? Or did they stop?

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Speaker 1
 A little bit of that. There's a movie that was shot in-- there's an LA kind of a scarecrow video. I don't remember the name of it. But they shot a movie in there. And what they do, this is like, here's the development of this. The fact this is in a video store doesn't matter at all. This could be any store. This could have been a bookstore. This could have been a grocery store the way this movie is shot and presented. It doesn't matter that it's a video store. So I was like, oh, OK.

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Speaker 1
 But yeah, it covers the subject very well. Videos. I think that's probably the name of it. That's in there. But I don't know if that's the one I'm thinking of, but it could be. Because they talk about a lot of films. I bet. A lot of them. And some of them look really interesting. But most of them are like, yeah, I get this. So it was fun. It's a neat thing to watch. It's a really good thing to watch. Put it up on the screen while you're doing your email or something. Because there are points where it's like, oh my god.

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Speaker 2
 So this was on the Criterion Channel? Yeah. OK.

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Speaker 1
 I think it just ended its festival run. I think it just started like two or three weeks ago.

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Speaker 2
 Oh, OK. And it was called Video Heaven.

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Speaker 1
 One word.

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Speaker 2
 Oh, OK.

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Speaker 2
 Speaking of documentaries, I'm like, fucking, will you come out already? Also ended its festival run was Borman and the Devil, which is the making of The Exorcist 2. I'm like, I've heard that it is just amazing. Well, somebody fucking carry this so we can watch it. Did you guys know or even care that Monarch Season 2 is out?

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Speaker 3
 I knew, did not super care because I never finished Season 1.

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Speaker 2
 I had to go back and see if I finished it. And I hadn't. And so I watched the final episode. And I was like, OK. And then Season 2 is way more interesting.

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Speaker 3
 Really?

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Speaker 2
 But it's just such a huge difference in-- I mean, they're showing Kong a lot. And they're showing this new Titan.

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Speaker 2
 But it is still just a television show. It does not have the budget of the movies. And so Kong looks OK.

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Speaker 2
 But he doesn't look like you see him on the movies.

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Speaker 2
 I'm really surprised that Kurt Russell is still in this. And he's in it. I mean, he's in every fucking episode. And he is a major player.

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Speaker 2
 That's great. They must be paying him. They must have just-- I still want to act.

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Speaker 1
 This was a TV show with, what, eight episodes? It gave me a lot.

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Speaker 2
 I had to hang out with my son. Yeah, maybe that's it, although they don't have any scenes together.

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Speaker 2
 Yeah, because his son plays the younger version of him. So it's all flashbacks.

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Speaker 2
 But I'm enjoying it this time more.

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Speaker 2
 So I'm still watching it. Monarch Season 2, it's on Apple Plus. Apple, yeah.

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Speaker 1
 It's one of the few apples that we've talked about that hasn't been from the beginning, my god, you must watch this. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
 And you'd think it would be with my love of, you know what, though? I don't love the new Kong. And I don't love the new Godzilla. So it's probably why it's not grabbing me as much as it could have.

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Speaker 3
 Those films.

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Speaker 3
 Speaking of those films, I saw Return to Silent Hill.

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Speaker 1
 OK.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah. I don't know if you guys remember, I played with my husband last year, Silent Hill 2. So it's pretty fresh in my mind, the plot of what is approached in Return to Silent Hill. It's done by the same director who did the first Silent Hill movie. Yeah.

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Speaker 3
 I guess it could be a lot worse.

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Speaker 3
 It could also be a lot better.

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Speaker 2
 I have heard nothing good about this.

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Speaker 3
 It is. It is pretty stupid. I just don't think they selected the best cast. I think they made some really bizarro choices. They stayed most-- I mean, some of the game is represented in here. They didn't fully go off the rails. But also,

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Speaker 3
 I don't know. They-- there are different characters that are supposed to represent totally different things. And they kind of comboed them for some reason. It's very irritating and weird. And I don't know. I would say skip if you're a fan. Just skip it.

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Speaker 2
 I remember the first movie was OK. And then the sequel was bad.

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Speaker 3
 Yes.

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Speaker 2
 And then is this the third? Is there been a bunch of sequels?

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Speaker 3
 I don't know. I don't know. I think this might be the third. But there were probably some short films and other little-- I think there was a--

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Speaker 3
 I saw some weird animation thing at one point.

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Speaker 2
 They made a big deal of the original writer-director coming back. And I was like, but that first movie wasn't that good. Yeah, it was fun to spy.

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Speaker 3
 I don't think the first movie was kind of better in some ways because they went more off script. And by staying on script, you just have more fail points.

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Speaker 3
 There's just more moments where you're like, I don't know why-- only people who are passionate about this game would sit through this movie. And those people are going to get pretty mad, pretty fast.

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Speaker 1
 There's a problem with adapting video games in general has been the greatest. But first-person-based, I think, is even harder. Because playing that game was creepy as hell. The first time I played that years and years ago, I was like, Jesus. And you can't recreate that in a third-person environment because it's like, well, I'm not in this. I felt like I was playing the game.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah, you're not zapped into it for hours and hours and getting the freaky, like, ah, radio noise. What? Yeah, what is the radio noise? What is the butterflies? And there's no problem. A lot of that game is puzzle solving. So you're like, occasionally, they'll show that there's maybe a little hint at what the puzzle would have been in that scene. But they don't-- you can't sit through a movie where there's fucking that kind of puzzle solving anyway.

[01:19:11:09 - 01:19:18:04]
Speaker 1
 Well, I would just create a cube. That's what cube was. That's true. Puzzles. You just got to work a little harder.

[01:19:18:04 - 01:19:25:01]
Speaker 3
 You have to work harder. You have to make it very intentional that it's not going to become a joke. But yeah.

[01:19:26:07 - 01:19:35:14]
Speaker 3
 It had some of the ropiest CGI I've seen in a long time too. So a little rough and a little rough in there.

[01:19:36:19 - 01:19:38:17]
Speaker 3
 Also, James is not a fun character.

[01:19:39:20 - 01:19:42:08]
Speaker 3
 He's a total asshole. You don't want to--

[01:19:43:16 - 01:19:53:06]
Speaker 3
 that's a tough movie to make around. He's not really that sympathetic. And he's not a good dude. And you're like, OK, I guess I'm going to hang out with this guy.

[01:19:53:06 - 01:19:53:22]
Speaker 1
 Well,

[01:19:55:00 - 01:19:58:09]
Speaker 1
 there you go. Well, I also watched a new modern masterpiece like you did.

[01:19:59:18 - 01:20:01:16]
Speaker 1
 Scream 7. Oh, gosh.

[01:20:03:14 - 01:20:04:18]
Speaker 1
 Aspects of it I enjoyed.

[01:20:06:00 - 01:20:31:18]
Speaker 1
 I always felt the scream in New York was weird. It feels like-- it's sort of like when Jason takes Manhattan. This guy belongs in the woods. Ghostface belongs in a small town. I never felt like a Scream movie to me when he was in New York. He's going down the alleyways. But this one goes back to a small town. You've got Neve Campbell returning as the main protagonist. You've got Courtney Cox back again.

[01:20:32:23 - 01:20:45:19]
Speaker 1
 And of Campbell's kind of annoying daughter. But teenage girls in movies and TV are rarely not annoying. That's just the way the characters are created and run most of the time.

[01:20:48:17 - 01:20:58:05]
Speaker 1
 I think I enjoyed this more than most. Its reviews are brutal. I'm sure. Yeah. But it, like I say, felt more like a Scream movie to me.

[01:20:59:22 - 01:21:16:13]
Speaker 1
 Because of the small town and all the other things like that. It was-- who the killers were was not hard. It was not a mystery. I was like, oh, it's going to be-- well, I knew for sure on one and the other one. I'm pretty sure it was going to be this person.

[01:21:17:15 - 01:21:33:16]
Speaker 1
 And I was right on both. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't work in the film. That's fine. I don't know. We all do this to the film series. We kind of love-- sometimes you're watching one going, oh, this one's a little rough. But you know what?

[01:21:35:02 - 01:21:44:02]
Speaker 1
 I like-- I've watched all the Hellraiser movies. This is better than almost all of them. Yeah. That's fair. But I always enjoy watching Pinhead do something.

[01:21:45:15 - 01:21:53:13]
Speaker 1
 So this felt a little bit like that. I got out of the movie. You go, I do not remember at all what happened in Scream 4.

[01:21:54:22 - 01:22:04:18]
Speaker 1
 Maybe 4, definitely 5. I don't remember 5 at all. I sort of remember 6, but I don't know if I remember 6 or a combination of 6 and 7 at all this stuff. So this is not--

[01:22:06:06 - 01:22:16:00]
Speaker 3
 no, it's not Shakespeare. I feel like it probably suffered a lot from having really fast rewrites because losing its two stars.

[01:22:17:01 - 01:22:25:05]
Speaker 3
 I feel like-- and then suddenly being like, oh, let's pay Niv Campbell a lot of money. And then just write something around that character really quick. And I think--

[01:22:25:05 - 01:22:26:05]
Speaker 1
 what's his name?

[01:22:27:16 - 01:22:30:01]
Speaker 1
 Kevin Williamson. He's a better writer than director.

[01:22:31:09 - 01:22:48:20]
Speaker 1
 Oh, he directed this? Yeah. He wrote and directed it. Him and two others write it. And I think he can be an amazing writer. But he's an OK director. This was not-- this suffered a little bit from that. But I just had fun watching it. Grab some popcorn, watch it in the theater.

[01:22:50:11 - 01:22:52:08]
Speaker 3
 It's a nice night out. Yep.

[01:22:52:08 - 01:22:57:07]
Speaker 2
 I like the first two movies. And then I stopped after four.

[01:22:58:23 - 01:23:23:22]
Speaker 2
 This is a horror franchise where it's really more a mystery every time, who is the killer. And because of that, it gets kind of stupider and stupider. The killer is now the roommate of the person who was the daughter. And so it's always got to be connected somehow to Sidney or whatever.

[01:23:23:22 - 01:23:26:13]
Speaker 1
 Oh, the connection in this one is way too--

[01:23:26:13 - 01:23:48:19]
Speaker 2
 Well, see, and I'm like, OK, this is a movie that made fun of the tropes and everything. But the last trope that it needs to be-- and I don't know why they didn't do this early on-- is the killer needs to be the undead version of one of the original killers, right? And why they haven't embraced the fact that this is--

[01:23:49:19 - 01:23:50:01]
Speaker 2
 Yeah.

[01:23:50:01 - 01:23:53:05]
Speaker 3
 It's just psycho fans over and over and over again. Yeah.

[01:23:53:05 - 01:23:56:07]
Speaker 2
 So I don't know.

[01:23:56:07 - 01:23:57:10]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, exactly.

[01:23:58:15 - 01:23:59:01]
Speaker 1
 Yep,

[01:24:00:08 - 01:24:01:19]
Speaker 1
 I watched it. I won't watch it again.

[01:24:01:19 - 01:24:04:05]
Speaker 2
 I wonder what they will do for eight.

[01:24:05:15 - 01:24:08:22]
Speaker 1
 I haven't heard how well this one did, though, did it?

[01:24:08:22 - 01:24:19:13]
Speaker 2
 I think the reviews were shit and the audience reviews were very high. So if people went to see it, obviously-- I'll come back. I'll get it back.

[01:24:21:03 - 01:24:30:20]
Speaker 2
 Well, guys, why don't we take a little break? And then when we come back, we are talking about Eric's pick for this movie. We're checking.

[01:24:30:20 - 01:24:33:16]
Speaker 3
 "Rosing France and Gilson Stern are dead."

[01:24:33:16 - 01:24:35:06]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, I got thoughts.

[01:24:37:10 - 01:24:40:04]
 (Laughter) (Music Playing)

[01:24:48:03 - 01:24:49:19]
Speaker 21
 And action.

[01:24:49:19 - 01:24:52:18]
Speaker 4
 Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?

[01:24:52:18 - 01:24:54:13]
Speaker 21
 Again, please.

[01:24:56:13 - 01:24:57:17]
Speaker 21
 Again? Again.

[01:24:59:00 - 01:25:01:02]
Speaker 21
 Are thou bored?

[01:25:01:02 - 01:25:03:08]
Speaker 20
 Yeah. Step into a slim gym.

[01:25:05:18 - 01:25:06:18]
Speaker 20
 Turn to the spice.

[01:25:09:14 - 01:25:10:22]
Speaker 20
 That baby juicy taste.

[01:25:14:06 - 01:25:17:07]
Speaker 20
 Need a little excitement? Step into a slim gym.

[01:25:17:07 - 01:25:22:14]
 (Music Playing)

[01:25:27:09 - 01:25:41:11]
Speaker 2
 And we're back. Eric, the way we've been doing this kind of wacky new format is we all pick a movie and we make everybody else watch it and then we talk about it. So this was your pick, and it was-- "Rosing France and Gilson Stern are dead." Right.

[01:25:41:11 - 01:25:48:20]
 (Music Playing)

[01:25:50:00 - 01:25:59:08]
Speaker 4
 Welcome, dear "Rosing France and Gilson Stern." Something have you heard of Hamlet's transformation? Sitting on the exterior, nor the inward man, resembles what it was.

[01:25:59:08 - 01:26:04:19]
Speaker 21
 Heaven make our presence and our practice as pleasant and helpful to you. I comment.

[01:26:06:03 - 01:26:09:16]
Speaker 21
 I want to go home. Don't let them confuse you.

[01:26:09:16 - 01:26:15:00]
Speaker 4
 I am but mad north and northwest when the wind is southerly.

[01:26:15:00 - 01:26:26:21]
Speaker 21
 I know a halt from a handsaw. Exactly. Exactly what? Exactly why. Exactly why, what? What? Why? Why what exactly? Why is he mad? I don't know.

[01:26:28:10 - 01:26:30:15]
Speaker 21
 Will you walk out of the air, my lord?

[01:26:30:15 - 01:26:31:18]
Speaker 4
 Into my grave?

[01:26:31:18 - 01:26:38:00]
Speaker 21
 Indeed, that is out of the air. Clean what afflicts him? Me? Him? How?

[01:26:39:00 - 01:27:03:02]
Speaker 21
 Question and answer. So your uncle's the king of Denmark? That's right. And my father before him. His father before him? No, my father before him. But surely he may well ask. Your father, whom you love, dies. You at his error. You come back to find that how does the corpse cold before his young brother popped onto his throne and into his sheets, thereby offending both legal and natural practice? Now, why exactly are you behaving in this extraordinary manner?

[01:27:05:01 - 01:27:06:00]
Speaker 20
 I can't imagine.

[01:27:06:00 - 01:27:10:12]
Speaker 21
 Don't let them confuse you. Catch it cry.

[01:27:12:11 - 01:27:13:11]
Speaker 4
 And audience.

[01:27:15:08 - 01:27:21:23]
Speaker 4
 Tritidians, at your command. We can do you rapials or rape.

[01:27:23:09 - 01:27:24:03]
Speaker 4
 Or both.

[01:27:25:15 - 01:27:29:15]
Speaker 4
 We're still finding our feet. I should concentrate on not losing your head.

[01:27:30:23 - 01:27:38:11]
Speaker 4
 I like him not. Therefore prepare you. I, your commission forthwith, will dispatch. And he to England shall along with you.

[01:27:38:11 - 01:27:47:22]
Speaker 21
 It is an exact command from the king of Denmark for several different reasons importing Denmark's health and England's truth. But on the reading of this letter, without delay, I should have Hamlet's head cut off.

[01:27:56:10 - 01:28:02:22]
Speaker 20
 I could jump up to the side. That'll put a spoke in there, Will. Unless they're cut on it. I shall remain on board. That'll put a spoke in there, Will.

[01:28:04:20 - 01:28:06:21]
Speaker 21
 My name is Guildenstern and this is Rosencrantz.

[01:28:09:00 - 01:28:11:20]
Speaker 21
 I'm sorry. His name is Guildenstern and I'm Rosencrantz.

[01:28:11:20 - 01:28:13:18]
Speaker 1
 From 1990,

[01:28:15:01 - 01:28:40:06]
Speaker 1
 directed by Tom Stoppard. This is the only thing he has ever directed. That was interesting. I did too. Excuse me, Sir Tom Stoppard. Yes, sir. Best known for a variety of films like Shakespeare and Love, Empire of the Sun, Brazil, just a wide range of film writing. I do have in the trivia why he hasn't directed again as well. The starring, Gary Oldman, as Rosencrantz. Pardon.

[01:28:41:17 - 01:28:52:09]
Speaker 1
 Dracula, The Dark Knight, Oppenheimer, Sin and Nancy. He all know him. Tim Roth, same thing. He's Guildenstern. Pulp Fiction, all the Tarantino movies, The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover,

[01:28:55:00 - 01:29:02:08]
Speaker 1
 and Richard Dreyfus, and a big old variety of other folks. Those are the three that show up, I guess, the most.

[01:29:03:13 - 01:29:39:21]
Speaker 1
 How to describe this film? The way to describe this film is basically to say what it is. The whole idea behind the film is that the two characters, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, have a very small part in Shakespeare or in Hamlet. And this is what is going on in their lives as they're trying to figure out why they've been summoned, what's going on, who they are, where they are, and just what the hell is going on. And as the movie goes forward, the chants into the scenes from Hamlet, which they do perform.

[01:29:42:22 - 01:30:07:07]
Speaker 1
 And so if you're a big lover of Shakespeare, which I am, I found this very entertaining in a lot of ways. I did mention at the end of the last one how I ever really wanted to rewatch this because I thought it might weaken on reviewing. And it did, some I would say. But anyway, so we open up with these two guys walking along a very generic trail in the mountains.

[01:30:09:13 - 01:30:34:03]
Speaker 1
 And Rosencrantz finds a coin. And he starts flipping it. And it always lands on heads, which sends Tim Roth's character into a existential musings on probability and life and all this kind of stuff. Because they really don't know what the hell is going on. It's an

[01:30:34:03 - 01:30:46:17]
Speaker 2
 interesting scene, statistically impossible. Because not only that, we get to watch them flip this coin 15 fucking times in real time. And I kept going--

[01:30:47:19 - 01:31:00:06]
Speaker 2
 because I've never seen this movie before and didn't know what it was about. And I was like, what are they trying to tell us with this scene? Does nothing is real? Or is-- so yeah.

[01:31:00:06 - 01:31:04:16]
Speaker 3
 And they can't remember before that day,

[01:31:05:18 - 01:31:10:10]
Speaker 2
 before that moment. Which one is which, which I thought was interesting.

[01:31:10:10 - 01:31:22:11]
Speaker 1
 Which is that is true for the-- there's a tradition when Hamlet is performed on stage that between the main scenes that they appear, the actors switch.

[01:31:24:04 - 01:31:38:19]
Speaker 1
 One will play Rosencrantz in the first scene, one will play Rosencrantz in the second scene. And so it's not just a thing that Stoppard thought of. It's actually part of Shakespearean lore. And these are confusing characters that nobody really understands.

[01:31:41:10 - 01:31:48:16]
Speaker 1
 And Rosencrantz keeps almost discovering things. That actually was part of the thing that got graded on me a little bit.

[01:31:50:17 - 01:31:54:01]
Speaker 1
 First, my memory as a film largely went to--

[01:31:55:07 - 01:32:05:00]
Speaker 1
 up until they play the game, the question game on the tennis court or whatever. I didn't work probably.

[01:32:07:22 - 01:32:12:05]
Speaker 1
 And at some point, his discovery of things like, OK, we can leave this behind.

[01:32:13:10 - 01:32:22:16]
Speaker 1
 But for a while, it's fairly amusing as he discovers gravity and realizes he really didn't know what it was. Or he'd think these two things would fall at different rates.

[01:32:23:22 - 01:32:25:23]
Speaker 1
 And he'd be absolutely right. It's like, OK.

[01:32:27:06 - 01:32:52:10]
Speaker 3
 I found that stuff kind of interesting because he's so dumb. And the fact that he keeps discovering these weird scientific breakthrough or philosophical breakthrough things, but it doesn't mean anything to him. And every time he tries to show it to the other guy, the other guy's like, it doesn't work again. This is pretty fascinating. I think near the end when he kept building little boats and stuff and little planes, I was like--

[01:32:53:10 - 01:32:55:23]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, that was the scene with the plane going.

[01:32:55:23 - 01:32:58:18]
Speaker 3
 That was very weird.

[01:33:01:11 - 01:33:09:16]
Speaker 1
 And they come across a group of players. I think they're called tragedy eaters in the script or something like that.

[01:33:09:16 - 01:33:14:01]
Speaker 2
 They're tragedies. A traveling acting troupe.

[01:33:14:01 - 01:33:15:10]
Speaker 3
 With an entire stage.

[01:33:15:10 - 01:33:18:10]
Speaker 1
 Led by-- yes. They had those.

[01:33:18:10 - 01:33:20:19]
Speaker 3
 They looked insane.

[01:33:20:19 - 01:33:23:08]
Speaker 1
 But with Richard Dreyfuss being the leader,

[01:33:24:12 - 01:33:32:11]
Speaker 1
 and sort of an overseer of what is going on, he seems to know-- He's

[01:33:32:11 - 01:33:35:06]
Speaker 2
 clearly aware of his place.

[01:33:35:06 - 01:33:38:20]
Speaker 1
 Yes. And Rosencrantz and Guildenstern's place. Right.

[01:33:40:12 - 01:33:54:13]
Speaker 1
 And I enjoy that word play in that scene. I think that's a lot of fun, where he's going to give you-- what is it, blood and rape and-- Yeah.

[01:33:57:01 - 01:34:02:18]
Speaker 1
 As for the other word, but we can do that. We can do this, but we can't do that without the-- OK, this is fun.

[01:34:03:23 - 01:34:13:02]
Speaker 1
 But that goes back to liking Shakespeare, that Shakespearean word play with much more simplified language, which is nice.

[01:34:16:10 - 01:34:39:14]
Speaker 2
 I have to say Richard Dreyfuss was horribly miscast in this. I hated him in this. And I was just like, how are these two young actors just acting circles around Richard Dreyfuss? And I was like, because he's not a Shakespearean actor. He is out of his element here.

[01:34:41:08 - 01:34:44:16]
Speaker 3
 He definitely felt like an odd man out, but I figured that was part of it somehow.

[01:34:44:16 - 01:34:47:15]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, that's what he was going for, because he was-- Yeah.

[01:34:47:15 - 01:34:52:08]
Speaker 3
 But that being said, every time the player showed up, I was like, ugh. Because it's so zany.

[01:34:52:08 - 01:34:59:16]
Speaker 1
 They overused them. That was another one of the problem. The fact that they later on in the show recreate a huge chunk of Hamlet.

[01:34:59:16 - 01:35:00:04]
Speaker 3
 Yeah.

[01:35:00:04 - 01:35:07:19]
Speaker 1
 And then continue in the movie to briefly show all the scenes they did there. It's like, well, this is kind of repetition.

[01:35:07:19 - 01:35:18:07]
Speaker 3
 There's a lot of repetition. And there was a lot of like, you guys, your ending is going to be a little rough. But over and over and over and over again, I'm like, OK, I got it.

[01:35:18:07 - 01:35:19:17]
Speaker 1
 It was interesting.

[01:35:20:23 - 01:35:32:08]
Speaker 1
 I think Tom could have directed a couple of-- Stump Topper could have directed a few other things. For a first time directing job, there are moments of incredibly good directing.

[01:35:32:08 - 01:35:46:20]
Speaker 3
 Really good. The whole bath house scene was like-- there was some beautiful stuff. There was the ship thing near the end. There were some crazy moments in there. I was like, this is so good for a first time film director.

[01:35:46:20 - 01:35:52:09]
Speaker 1
 And the tonal shift between Rosencrantz and the Scales of Strand scenes and the scenes with Hamlet

[01:35:53:09 - 01:36:13:10]
Speaker 1
 were strong. Well, this is now suddenly very serious. The Tim Roth and Gary Omen changed the way they acted in those scenes, especially Rosencrantz, especially Gary. He went much more serious, much more real. So I was like, oh, that's really cool.

[01:36:13:10 - 01:36:14:04]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[01:36:15:14 - 01:36:31:14]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, because most of the time, you felt like they were really dumb bros. And then all of a sudden, they'd be like, I'm in a Shakespeare play. And then they go back to being like, well, that didn't work. Did it? I don't know. Does he seem in a bad mood? I don't know. They're like, now you're bros again.

[01:36:31:14 - 01:36:48:16]
Speaker 1
 Yes, to the question thing. But not play it right. Well, he had so many repetitions and all that stuff. So I'm sure he's like, well, Rosencrantz, you're good at that game, I guess. But those were the parts I liked the most, just the two of them--

[01:36:48:16 - 01:36:49:16]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, agreed.

[01:36:49:16 - 01:37:04:15]
Speaker 1
 Back and forth with each other. As the movie darkens, as the story darkens, the movie darkens as well, sometimes physically. The scenes get darker. But their jokes get less frequent. And they seem a little more--

[01:37:06:19 - 01:37:09:01]
Speaker 1
 even more uncertain as to what's going on.

[01:37:09:01 - 01:37:20:00]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, it does feel really tragic by the time you get to the end, which I was surprised about. You do have this weird sadness about it. I don't know. I did.

[01:37:20:00 - 01:37:30:16]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, because Gary and Tim are fun kind of characters most of the time. Occasionally Tim's a dick. Occasionally Gary's a moron.

[01:37:30:16 - 01:37:46:03]
Speaker 3
 It's hard to believe them being like, we're going to sell out our best friend. It does feel weird to see them be like, we really care about this person. We're going to play now where we're doing the bidding of the king and the queen to fuck over Hamlet.

[01:37:46:03 - 01:37:49:21]
Speaker 1
 Well, they didn't know that until they opened and read the letter, which they were not supposed to do.

[01:37:51:02 - 01:37:57:12]
Speaker 1
 And then it turns out that's not the letter that was in Hamlet, because the letter in Hamlet was killed Easton.

[01:37:59:12 - 01:38:04:06]
Speaker 3
 I thought the idea was the letter in Hamlet really was the other letter. And then Hamlet tricks them and changes it.

[01:38:04:06 - 01:38:09:11]
Speaker 1
 I believe-- well, I think that's part of it. But that could be what it was. I

[01:38:09:11 - 01:38:18:16]
Speaker 3
 watched a bunch of videos on Hamlet after this, because I was like, wait, what the F was this? I don't remember any of this.

[01:38:18:16 - 01:38:23:19]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, that actually sounds right. Hamlet screwed them over.

[01:38:23:19 - 01:38:26:16]
Speaker 3
 Yes, Hamlet fucked them over because he saw they were going to fuck Hamlet.

[01:38:26:16 - 01:38:30:04]
Speaker 1
 Which is fairly understandable, because Hamlet was nuts.

[01:38:35:02 - 01:38:38:22]
Speaker 1
 And then the movie ends with Rose and Grant and Gildon's are dead.

[01:38:41:10 - 01:38:47:23]
Speaker 1
 And for diving into trivia, I'm curious, because you seem like you really didn't like this movie at all.

[01:38:47:23 - 01:38:52:21]
Speaker 2
 Well, I make notes if we want to-- if it pleases the court.

[01:38:56:06 - 01:39:00:02]
Speaker 2
 Here's-- never has a movie felt more like homework than this movie.

[01:39:00:02 - 01:39:01:23]
Speaker 3
 Wow, out to you.

[01:39:01:23 - 01:39:11:15]
Speaker 2
 Eric, you assigned us this movie like a month ago. I downloaded it, and I started watching it a month ago, and I finished it last night.

[01:39:13:10 - 01:39:22:10]
Speaker 2
 And I watched it every single night between there in 10-minute intervals, lest my fury grow greater.

[01:39:24:11 - 01:39:25:04]
Speaker 2
 I'll say this.

[01:39:26:22 - 01:39:33:16]
Speaker 2
 I'll remind you both that this is a genre podcast, and the podcast is horror, sometimes fantasy, sometimes action.

[01:39:33:16 - 01:39:34:08]
Speaker 3
 High five.

[01:39:34:08 - 01:39:35:05]
Speaker 2
 Sorry.

[01:39:36:08 - 01:39:37:12]
Speaker 2
 About this, you guys.

[01:39:39:17 - 01:39:45:12]
Speaker 2
 You and I have known each other for 35 years, and I don't know that our friendship will survive this assault.

[01:39:48:02 - 01:39:57:02]
Speaker 2
 Here's how I would review this movie. This movie is 1-10 Shakespeare, 2-10 Tom Stoppard's love of Shakespeare, and 7-10's boring as fuck.

[01:39:57:02 - 01:39:59:08]
Speaker 3
 It is pretty boring.

[01:39:59:08 - 01:40:03:12]
Speaker 2
 I started calling this Eric Krantz and Morgenstern are dead.

[01:40:06:21 - 01:40:19:17]
Speaker 2
 At every viewing, I wished I was watching Hamlet, and not the exciting Mel Gibson Hamlet, the 4 and 1-1 half hour Kenneth Branagh version of Hamlet. That is impossible to sit through.

[01:40:19:17 - 01:40:23:10]
Speaker 3
 But it has good flooring. One arm of-- Flooring.

[01:40:23:10 - 01:40:25:07]
Speaker 2
 There's some cool sets.

[01:40:28:20 - 01:40:34:19]
Speaker 2
 Yeah. If someone were to ask me, Kelly, what is your most hated movie, I'd be like,

[01:40:36:05 - 01:40:42:11]
Speaker 2
 there is no such a thing. I don't hate any movie. There are movies I haven't liked or anything. Now I have an answer.

[01:40:44:11 - 01:41:05:10]
Speaker 2
 This is the most pretentious thing I have ever seen, and I hated every single moment of it. And then I went online to look at everybody else who hated it, and it's all 8.5 out of 10. This is the most brilliant thing I have ever-- and I was just like, you are all liars. You are all liars if you think this is the most brilliant thing.

[01:41:08:02 - 01:41:27:16]
Speaker 2
 As you know, Tom Staufford was taught heavily in film school, and I am a huge fan of Shakespeare in Love. And I love his ability to kind of bring Shakespeare to the common folk and stuff like that. And I felt like this did not do that at all.

[01:41:28:18 - 01:41:45:11]
Speaker 2
 And-- This is from Shakespeare, big time. You had to be a huge fan, not of Shakespeare, of Hamlet. And the thing is that as we got into more and more Hamlet, I literally was going, I don't want to go back to this. I would much rather watch Hamlet again.

[01:41:46:18 - 01:41:49:01]
Speaker 2
 I loved the guy they had as Hamlet.

[01:41:49:01 - 01:42:12:03]
Speaker 3
 Ian Glenn. Ian Glenn was great. So from Game of Thrones, that was my big note, was he was maybe the best Hamlet I've seen. He was so good. Oh my god. I was like-- when he starts doing the chicken, and he's reading a chicken, a book, I was like, you. You get it. You just are. This is so good. I love this Hamlet.

[01:42:12:03 - 01:42:39:04]
Speaker 2
 And I was just furious with Dreyfus. I was like, the balls that it takes for you to have accepted this role that you don't have a handle on, this is the guy who told Steven Spielberg, after he saw Jaws the first time, I think I figured out a way you can cut me out of the entire movie and it will still make sense, because he thought his performance was so bad. I'm like,

[01:42:40:05 - 01:42:59:18]
Speaker 2
 where was that actor? You sobered up and you can't do these scenes. And I just was like, I fucking hate every time he walks on stage. He looked great. He looked really fucking healthy and period perfect. And then he started opening his mouth, and he had the what about Bob-isms in his dialect.

[01:42:59:18 - 01:43:11:13]
Speaker 3
 It didn't help that he's not English. He's the only American creature in this film. It feels very, like, I don't know if it's purposeful, but it feels very weird. Yeah.

[01:43:11:13 - 01:43:32:11]
Speaker 2
 Probably purposeful. And I wanted, you know, as about 15 minutes into it, I was like, oh, I think I understand what's happening. These guys are gonna figure out they're in a play. But that never really happens either. So it's just left to the audience to kind of snicker at, oh, this is what's happening during the scene for them. But it did not work for me.

[01:43:32:11 - 01:43:39:17]
Speaker 3
 I think I benefited by watching it all at once. I think that helped because you just power through.

[01:43:39:17 - 01:43:46:14]
Speaker 2
 Oh, I would have killed Eric if I had watched it all at once. I would have been a knock on the door. Kelly, what are you doing here?

[01:43:47:14 - 01:43:47:17]
 (Laughing)

[01:43:47:17 - 01:44:22:04]
Speaker 3
 I'm here to kill you. Oh my God. I did have that kind of, I came to appreciate this as a highbrow Bill and Ted. That was how my brain fit this into a box where I was just like, yes, I will watch very stupid men being very confused about where they are and why they're there. Yes, I will enjoy that. It was only later when I was reading up on how it was all the like weird experiments with gravity and stuff. I was like, that makes no sense at all. Like that seems wedged in just to sound clever. And I don't love that.

[01:44:22:04 - 01:44:26:23]
Speaker 1
 Well, it's time for them to do something to do when they have nothing to do. It gives them something to do, which is kind of weird.

[01:44:26:23 - 01:44:57:04]
Speaker 3
 I mean, I like that it was sometimes they were like, it's windy for no reason. I'm like, yeah, like I like this idea that maybe you're dead, maybe you're alive, maybe you don't know, but nothing works the way you think it will. That's fine, but you don't have to have like the apple falling on the head and stuff. Like that seems a little much guys. And I was very, because I didn't know the bathtub story. So I was like, why are, why am I looking at this boat going up and down in this bathtub? I am very confused right now. And you're like kind of turned on by this dude, which is fine. But I'm like, what is this scene?

[01:44:57:04 - 01:45:00:08]
Speaker 2
 What is going on? Well, that dude had a great ass.

[01:45:00:08 - 01:45:04:21]
Speaker 3
 He had a great ass. You are not wrong. And a lovely wig.

[01:45:04:21 - 01:45:06:05]
Speaker 2
 You had a lovely wig.

[01:45:06:05 - 01:45:19:13]
Speaker 3
 But yeah, my overall take was, I put down, I have no idea if I like this movie or don't like it. I guess I like it, but I also really don't understand a lot of it. So that was my final.

[01:45:19:13 - 01:45:31:21]
Speaker 2
 Eric, you're gonna find a DVD of this in your freezer. Yes. Broken in four pieces. Also I'm going to break it into four pieces and send it to various parts of the world. It's got to go the globe.

[01:45:31:21 - 01:45:35:15]
Speaker 3
 It's got to go the old globe and got to go to,

[01:45:36:19 - 01:45:39:20]
Speaker 3
 there's got to be some more Shakespeare. Oh, the Oregon Shakespeare Festival.

[01:45:41:02 - 01:45:42:03]
Speaker 3
 I'm gonna help you with this.

[01:45:42:03 - 01:45:53:07]
Speaker 1
 So as you might know, this was originally a play, which Jamie performed in in high in college. He played Guildenstern.

[01:45:54:13 - 01:46:03:12]
Speaker 1
 And so he came to the conclusion that Guildenstern was the smart one. And then Crozenkranz is kind of the idiot, which is fair and represented in the movie.

[01:46:04:12 - 01:46:13:05]
Speaker 1
 But they, let's see, Tom Stoppard discovered post-production is his favorite thing to do on filmmaking other than writing, of course.

[01:46:15:04 - 01:46:26:00]
Speaker 1
 25 years ago, he had no idea what he was doing as far as the editing point. He said, if I did it now, I probably would have dropped a lot of the movie down a lot shorter and made it a lot tighter.

[01:46:27:03 - 01:46:32:13]
Speaker 1
 But at the time he didn't have the confidence to tell the editor who, well, the editor knows what he's doing.

[01:46:35:20 - 01:46:44:11]
Speaker 1
 So he was not originally supposed to direct it. Somebody else was, and he was brought in to do it. Let's see what else.

[01:46:45:12 - 01:46:57:05]
Speaker 1
 But he's like, I'm a writer. I'd rather be a writer. Being a director is too much goddamn work. I couldn't do anything else other than direct while I was directing this movie. So that's why he never directed again. Wow. Interesting.

[01:46:57:05 - 01:47:14:14]
Speaker 2
 He wouldn't direct somebody else's writing or something like that. Yeah, because he seems like a fine enough director, but a brilliant writer. When was the play? It was like in the sixties or something, right? So he had an awful lot of time to sit with this before making the movie.

[01:47:16:01 - 01:47:22:19]
Speaker 1
 The film won the Golden Lion at the 47th Venice International Film beating out Goodfellas. Wow.

[01:47:25:09 - 01:47:29:12]
Speaker 3
 Fair enough. It's the Golden Lion. I mean, come on. That's a pretty fresh reaction.

[01:47:30:13 - 01:47:38:03]
Speaker 2
 Jesus Christ. Let's see. The one thing I liked about this movie was when the end credits started rolling, I literally cheered.

[01:47:43:01 - 01:47:45:12]
Speaker 1
 Let's see, worst films, challenge accepted.

[01:47:45:12 - 01:47:47:05]
 (Laughing)

[01:47:47:05 - 01:47:48:05]
Speaker 3
 No.

[01:47:51:16 - 01:47:52:18]
Speaker 1
 Let's see, what else we got?

[01:47:52:18 - 01:47:59:15]
Speaker 3
 What starts as like a fun exercise and seeing films I haven't seen or haven't seen in a long time with Eric is can become like literal torture.

[01:48:01:18 - 01:48:06:08]
Speaker 3
 Here's five Andy Mulligan movies you guys have to watch by next week.

[01:48:07:17 - 01:48:10:05]
Speaker 1
 I don't know, you might like Andy Mulligan loving me like this.

[01:48:11:12 - 01:48:12:14]
Speaker 2
 I can almost guarantee it.

[01:48:14:08 - 01:48:23:05]
Speaker 1
 MGM originally bought the rights for about 200,000 and with John Borman set up to direct it. Wow.

[01:48:24:08 - 01:48:41:20]
Speaker 1
 He planned on Michael Caine and Terence Stamp as the leads, Oliver Olivier as the player king, Albert Finney as Claudius, Maggie Smith as Gertrude and Donald and Sutherland and Elliot Gould interested in being on board. And somehow it fell apart.

[01:48:41:20 - 01:48:42:17]
Speaker 4
 Oh, dear.

[01:48:44:07 - 01:48:49:01]
Speaker 1
 I brought in the other guys and got it made on a fairly small budget.

[01:48:51:12 - 01:48:56:09]
Speaker 1
 I learned a weird thing about Brian tomatoes. I did not know before.

[01:48:57:11 - 01:49:25:08]
Speaker 1
 Rumor was that Roger Ebert agrees with you and that he gave it zero stars. Wow. But it turns out that's not entirely true because this came out in the period where they're going from stars to the thumbs up and down only without stars. And Ron tomatoes, if you gave it a thumbs up, they gave it a really high rating. If you gave it a thumbs down, they just automatically zeroed it out for a while. So that's, I don't know if they still do that, but I'm going, man, that's pretty weird.

[01:49:25:08 - 01:49:51:22]
Speaker 2
 That's kind of how it works. If you give, all you have to do is say this movie is okay for it to be a positive reveal. You have to literally say this movie sucks for it to be a bad reveal. So if you were grading like a D or something, that's a positive reveal. It's a passing grade. So it does kind of skew things with Ron tomatoes. As I mean, we stopped.

[01:49:51:22 - 01:49:53:00]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, this reason we stopped.

[01:49:53:00 - 01:49:54:08]
Speaker 3
 We realized it's all bullshit.

[01:49:54:08 - 01:49:55:01]
Speaker 2
 It's crazy.

[01:49:56:02 - 01:49:57:17]
Speaker 1
 So, well, there you go.

[01:49:59:00 - 01:50:17:13]
Speaker 3
 Wow. It just brought me right back to high school when I was hanging out with some friends who were really, really, really into theater. And I was, but I wasn't really into theater and we had to watch like a lot of Money Python and we had to watch Rosencrantz. I mean, I had to go to the Oregon Shakespeare Festival. And it was like, it just brought me right back to that like pretentious.

[01:50:18:20 - 01:50:22:20]
Speaker 3
 I remember having to go to like a dance dressed up and like a Renaissance outfit.

[01:50:24:16 - 01:50:28:12]
Speaker 1
 I did a lot of theater in high school from junior high.

[01:50:29:20 - 01:50:36:04]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, I was like three or four plays a year, every year from junior high to senior. It's been false, there's no theater to go see.

[01:50:39:07 - 01:50:53:10]
Speaker 1
 So yeah, I did a lot of that. And we never did Shakespeare because our drama teachers are always like right on the board of shit we shouldn't be doing anywhere. Not just much less twin roles.

[01:50:54:21 - 01:51:05:00]
Speaker 1
 But so, yes, I love theater. Love it a lot. Don't go to as much as I'd like to. One of my favorite plays ever is the complete works of William Shakespeare.

[01:51:06:01 - 01:51:14:22]
Speaker 1
 You've seen that? No, I've not. The first act is all of his comedies and everything else he'd done except for Hamlet, which is the second act.

[01:51:16:00 - 01:51:35:06]
Speaker 1
 So it shows the repetition of what Hamlet or what Shakespeare did, especially with his comedies. Like they did a lineup of people that just said lines from all the comedies, they all blended together. And that was fascinating. I think that's why I like this more than a lot, more than a lot of folks,

[01:51:36:11 - 01:51:38:01]
Speaker 1
 No, you are in the majority.

[01:51:38:01 - 01:51:42:12]
Speaker 2
 I mean, the reviews for this are off the charts. People love this movie. Yeah, people love this movie.

[01:51:43:12 - 01:51:49:14]
Speaker 1
 Well, sign you next time we're doing a sign. Maybe I'll do like "Wolfen" or something.

[01:51:51:19 - 01:51:56:14]
Speaker 1
 I haven't seen "Wolfen". It's hard to pick horror movies you haven't seen. I think you'll want to like.

[01:51:56:14 - 01:52:06:09]
Speaker 3
 It's hard to pick movies that we haven't already done. Like I was trying to come up with something and I was like, oh my God, there are all my favorites I've already talked about.

[01:52:06:09 - 01:52:13:17]
Speaker 2
 And it doesn't have to be a movie I like. I mean, when you pick a movie, I want it to be a movie that you want to talk about and all that stuff.

[01:52:15:14 - 01:52:30:17]
Speaker 2
 I would not have watched "Amadeus" if not for this last time you've chose that. And I ended up really loving it. So who knows with me, I was surprised how much I hated this.

[01:52:31:23 - 01:52:38:20]
Speaker 2
 And then surprised to see just all the high ratings for it too. I was like, wow, I must be a fucking idiot.

[01:52:38:20 - 01:52:50:04]
Speaker 3
 I think the only people who ever watched this movie watched it in the 90s when it was like going to hit its hardest and do its biggest peak. I don't think anybody's watching it now and giving it a rating.

[01:52:50:04 - 01:52:54:19]
Speaker 1
 Well, it's very hard to find as far as like physical media. Sure. It's like $160 to buy the DVD or something.

[01:52:54:19 - 01:52:56:11]
Speaker 3
 I rented on the library.

[01:52:56:11 - 01:53:12:07]
Speaker 1
 I got it from the hoopla. The, what was I gonna say? Oh yeah. The, like I said, it did not stand up to me as much as I thought it did. I really enjoyed it about until the point where they do the question game.

[01:53:13:07 - 01:53:20:05]
Speaker 1
 And then from then on, it just sort of slowed like, okay, I'm joining this.

[01:53:20:05 - 01:53:25:15]
Speaker 2
 It does drag in a big section of it, but yeah.

[01:53:25:15 - 01:53:47:23]
Speaker 3
 I was pretty picked up when that ship crashed and then I went into the other ship and he was like asleep, but like a giant mast came through. I was like, yeah, I like this part. But if you throw a disaster at me, I'm gonna be pretty stoked. I was very confused when Richard Dreyfus became the king of England though. It was very, could not quite work out what was happening.

[01:53:49:22 - 01:54:00:16]
Speaker 2
 It was also just, I mean, "Jaws" is my favorite movie. So there's an actor from my favorite movie in this. I love Tim Roth. I love Gary Oldman. And I was just like, I was just...

[01:54:03:20 - 01:54:09:20]
Speaker 2
 Angry, you're in anger. Come home from work and be like, "He hasn't been fucking finished his movie." Watch five minutes of this fucker.

[01:54:13:07 - 01:54:16:03]
Speaker 2
 So well, with that out of the way, Vanessa,

[01:54:17:10 - 01:54:20:09]
Speaker 2
 you've got the topic for the next one. Choose. What can you?

[01:54:21:12 - 01:54:37:22]
Speaker 3
 Ooh, well, I'm gonna go back to a movie that was probably my favorite film as a kid. And I have not seen in a while, so I'm hoping it stands up. But "We Shall See," which is a Star Trek for the voyage home. Oh, the voyage home. With the whales.

[01:54:37:22 - 01:54:39:02]
Speaker 1
 Oh, okay.

[01:54:39:02 - 01:54:45:12]
Speaker 2
 Directed by Leonard DeMoy. Yeah. Man. Directed yourself. I remember loving this movie.

[01:54:46:12 - 01:54:51:04]
Speaker 3
 I still have a VHS copy. I have a German copy of the book of it.

[01:54:51:04 - 01:54:51:21]
Speaker 1
 Hello, computer.

[01:54:51:21 - 01:55:03:23]
Speaker 3
 Yes. I mean, as a kid who was obsessed with Star Trek as a kid, like, or growing up, like, watching, you know, your favorite characters be kind and goofy, it was like, oh.

[01:55:03:23 - 01:55:09:16]
Speaker 1
 I know this one very well. This was a heavy rotation at Suncoast, so.

[01:55:09:16 - 01:55:18:00]
Speaker 2
 I told you that I'd done a rewatch of like every Star Trek movie and everything. And I was really surprised at how little I liked

[01:55:19:06 - 01:55:30:11]
Speaker 2
 the Kelvin universe, you know, J.J. Abrams. The first one, I was like, oh, I don't remember Kirk being such an asshole in this. He's such a prick, you know. And then,

[01:55:31:13 - 01:55:56:12]
Speaker 2
 not insurrection, Into Darkness. Yeah. Was so dumb and bad. It was so dumb. And then the third one, I just finally watched it. And I'd never even watched it. This was the first time I watched it. And I was like, oh, I feel like you guys kind of finally got a handle on Star Trek. Other than it making no sense. And then we'll never get another one. And then Tony Alton passes. And I think they just kind of said, well, we can't continue without Scotty.

[01:55:56:12 - 01:56:09:12]
Speaker 3
 It just sucks though. Yeah, cause like the third one is so fun other than like the bad guy making no sense. Like having the weird planet and then like, I don't know. It's just fun and energetic and stupid in its own way. Yeah.

[01:56:10:13 - 01:56:17:11]
Speaker 2
 Yeah. Well, okay. So that's what we're doing. We're going to continue with this one movie a week or one movie a show. And I like it.

[01:56:17:11 - 01:56:20:06]
Speaker 3
 Excellent. All right. Well, hopefully they like it too.

[01:56:20:06 - 01:56:25:23]
Speaker 2
 Everybody likes it. They're going to have a choice. Oh, you guys are doing a genre film. Yes, we would love this.

[01:56:27:13 - 01:56:30:01]
Speaker 2
 Thank you Vanessa for saving our podcast.

[01:56:30:01 - 01:56:37:12]
Speaker 3
 I told you sci-fi. I will always deliver a sci-fi movie. I might always bring in a good horror, but I will bring you a good sci-fi.

[01:56:38:22 - 01:56:59:21]
Speaker 2
 This is the part where we say, thanks to all you out there who are helping us out in whatever way you choose. That could be liking and sharing posts from the "Stranger Yans" radio Facebook page or the actual "Stranger Yans" radio, which I think is just a page that lists when we release the episode. I don't think anybody even talks on that page. Yeah, not really now.

[01:56:59:21 - 01:57:03:08]
Speaker 1
 It's just a, it's a business one. So nobody can comment. Right.

[01:57:03:08 - 01:57:12:15]
Speaker 2
 Speaking of commenting, if you're commenting on the YouTube videos, we really appreciate that. And we love it when you send "Mula" our way.

[01:57:13:16 - 01:57:15:00]
Speaker 2
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[01:57:16:12 - 01:57:22:12]
Speaker 2
 So I'm sure this episode didn't make you feel like throwing any money in it.

[01:57:22:12 - 01:57:27:03]
Speaker 3
 I don't know, I think you get really pissed with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was pretty worthy.

[01:57:27:03 - 01:57:28:04]
Speaker 1
 Yes, there's value.

[01:57:28:04 - 01:57:29:12]
Speaker 3
 There's value in that.

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Speaker 2
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[01:57:42:03 - 01:58:02:00]
Speaker 3
 That's huge. That's huge for us. You can also call us on the Strange Aeon's Radio Hotline. That number is 253-237-4266. You can leave us a voicemail. You can send us a text message. We would love to hear from you. Give us your feedback. Give us your thoughts. Give us the best movie you saw this week. We'd love to hear it.

[01:58:02:00 - 01:58:04:07]
Speaker 2
 Even heavy breathing. We will put it on the air.

[01:58:04:07 - 01:58:05:18]
Speaker 3
 We will definitely put that on the air.

[01:58:06:23 - 01:58:07:07]
 (Exhales)

[01:58:09:03 - 01:58:10:09]
Speaker 2
 Get another cough and dance later.

[01:58:11:10 - 01:58:11:10]
 (Laughs)

[01:58:13:08 - 01:58:21:20]
Speaker 2
 All right, guys, that's it for this episode. We will be back in two short weeks. We are talking Star Trek for the voyage home. See you next time.

[01:58:23:11 - 01:58:28:06]
Speaker 2
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Speaker 2
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Speaker 3
 You have a great ass.